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Amor101
06-27-2017, 11:51 PM
Assalamu ALaykum


How many times can one come back to Islam after kufr?
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Amor101
06-27-2017, 11:56 PM
And is a shower obligatory after every time you apostate?
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Abz2000
06-28-2017, 12:32 AM
Examples from the time of the Prophet :saws: show us that some from amongst the people who were thought to have sincerely repented to Allah after foolishly apostasizing from Islam and were genuinely seeking to live in submission to Allah - were accepted back into the community, others were punished for their crimes, and in the time of the companions of the messenger of Allah, those who were believed to be false to Allah after apostasizing from the way of Allah and attempting to pretend that they were truly repentant were punished severely.


إِنَّ الَّذِينَ آمَنُواْ ثُمَّ كَفَرُواْ ثُمَّ آمَنُواْ ثُمَّ كَفَرُواْ ثُمَّ ازْدَادُواْ كُفْرًا لَّمْ يَكُنِ اللّهُ لِيَغْفِرَ لَهُمْ وَلاَ لِيَهْدِيَهُمْ سَبِيلاً {137

Verily, those who believe (in Allah), then deny/reject Allah, then believe (again), and (again) reject/deny, and go on increasing in denial; Allah will not forgive them, nor guide them on the (Right) Way.

Quran 4:137


There is a difference between minor sins, major sins, nifaqq, and kufr so please let none of us think for even a moment that anyone deceive Allah.

I posted that for clarification since it's on the forum - the shower part does not require an answer and it is neither lawful, nor funny to make eeman sound like light banter.



The Hypocrites are afraid lest a Sura should be sent down about them, showing them what is (really passing) in their hearts. Say: "Mock! But verily Allah will bring to light all that ye fear (should be revealed).
If you question them, they declare (with emphasis): "We were only talking idly and in play."
Say: "Was it at Allah, and His Signs, and His Messenger, that you were mocking?"
Make no excuses: you have rejected Faith after you had accepted it. If We pardon some of you, We will punish others amongst you, for they are guilty of crime.

From Quran, Chater 9, verses 64-66
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Amor101
06-28-2017, 12:39 AM
Thank yo so much! I have weird waswas and utterances that are kufr. There are so many things which are kufr! Curing Arabs, etc...

I did not understand the shower part. I read that it is obligatory for Muslims to shower after renewing a shahadah or becoming new Muslim. Therefore, every time I apostate, do I need to shower after my shahadah? :(
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Amor101
06-28-2017, 01:02 AM
I made a type : cursing Arabs
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Abz2000
06-28-2017, 01:04 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Amor101
Thank yo so much! I have weird waswas and utterances that are kufr. There are so many things which are kufr! Curing Arabs, etc...

I did not understand the shower part. I read that it is obligatory for Muslims to shower after renewing a shahadah or becoming new Muslim. Therefore, every time I apostate, do I need to shower after my shahadah? :(
Being afflicted by waswas from khannaas is not not apostasy as long as one's heart remains firm in Islaam and the yearning to obey Allah.

It has been reported that the Messenger of Allah (صلي الله عليه وسلم) said:

“The Pen is lifted from three (i.e., their deeds are not recorded):

a child until he reaches puberty;
an insane man until he comes to his senses;
one who is asleep until he wakes up.”

[Recorded in Abu Dawud #4403, and Ibn Majah #2041]

If you are a true Muslim who has certainty that you will be ressurected and judged by Allah with detailed sifting of intentions, circumstances, and deeds, and you seek refuge in Allah regularly and seek to rectify your mistakes by doing good deeds sincerely for Allah's sake, you have good reason to rest assured that as long as you continuously repent to Allah and ask for His forgiveness for any faults for which you might even be guilty - Allah will be graceful.

If it is true that you are receiving abnormal evil whisperings from al khannaas, then al khannaas will take their just judgement, and you yours.

The obligatory bath is required for returning to a state of purity from impurity.


Regarding "cursing arabs" , it is unlawful to curse anybody unjustly, but lawful to curse unjust tyrants regardless of race if there is an urgent need to lawfully curse.
But it is necessary to be careful when cursing - since if the person making the curse is guilty of crimes on the same magnitude for which he/she have not yet sincerely repented of to Allah, the curse may also afflict the person who curses when the angels reflect it, just as they do with good prayers for other people.

Pharaoh who spent his life trying to make people live and die in denial of Allah (who is the source and pinnacle of truth and justice) was prevented from living in truth and justice, died in denial of Allah just as Musa :saws: had prayed after reaching the limit of his forbearance.
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Amor101
06-28-2017, 01:27 AM
Thank you so much. I am not sure if I get out of fold of Islam. In situation I am, there is not a rule that a Muslim cannot come back to Islam?
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Abz2000
06-28-2017, 01:43 AM
Allah knows best.


12. we bestowed (in the past) Wisdom on Luqman: "Show (thy) gratitude to Allah." Any who is (so) grateful does so to the profit of his own soul: but if any is ungrateful, verily Allah is free of all wants, Worthy of all praise.

13. Behold, Luqman said to his son by way of instruction: "O my son! join not in worship (others) with Allah. for false worship is indeed the highest wrong-doing."

14. And We have enjoined on man (to be good) to his parents: in travail upon travail did his mother bear him, and in years twain was his weaning: (hear the command), "Show gratitude to Me and to thy parents: to Me is (thy final) Goal.

15. "But if they strive to make thee join in worship with Me things of which thou hast no knowledge, obey them not; yet bear them company in this life with justice (and consideration), and follow the way of those who turn to me (in love): in the end the return of you all is to Me, and I will tell you the truth (and meaning) of all that ye did."

16. "O my son!" (said Luqman), "If there be (but) the weight of a mustard-seed and it were (hidden) in a rock, or (anywhere) in the heavens or on earth, Allah will bring it forth: for Allah understands the finest mysteries, (and) is well-acquainted (with them).
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greenhill
06-28-2017, 06:33 AM
This really is not a question anyone of us can really answer.

What it should be telling you is that you should be more careful with your thoughts and actions in the future. I don't know what it is you did to consider yourself as being kufr and that is essentially you taking other deity as being your god. The fact that you may be rebellious against Allah's command does not necessarily mean you have gone kufr.


:peace:
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Amor101
06-28-2017, 01:45 PM
This really is not a question anyone of us can really answer.
Lol You guys need more knowkedge;D
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greenhill
06-28-2017, 02:08 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Amor101
Lol You guys need more knowkedge
Indeed. We will never have enough knowledge.

You got to remember that Allah also seals hearts. One time kufr too many, Allah may decide just that.


:peace:
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