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Junon
03-01-2019, 09:33 AM
Salaam

Like to share. Good point on how the all powerful state wants to 'raise' your child. Parents role has been diminished.

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anatolian
03-01-2019, 05:31 PM
Is your objection against the content? I think its a required education. Families dont want to talk about it most of the time and children, especially boys, are trying to learn it from unhealthy sources. Its a good idea to do it in the schools with a scientific methodology.
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Junon
03-01-2019, 06:38 PM
Salaam

Ideally it should be parents, (relatives, wider community) teaching the basics to their child within an Islamic framework. I wouldnt trust the government given its record of disregarding parents wishes, concerns (which is the video talks about). They are more interested in their 'social engineering' projects. We can see the results.

So Much for 'Father's Day' - in a Country Where Fatherhood is Dying Out

So no I'd rather take responsiblity as a parent than pass it on to the government.
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xboxisdead
03-01-2019, 08:56 PM
Originally Posted by Junon
Salaam

Ideally it should be parents, (relatives, wider community) teaching the basics to their child within an Islamic framework. I wouldnt trust the government given its record of disregarding parents wishes, concerns (which is the video talks about). They are more interested in their 'social engineering' projects. We can see the results.

So Much for 'Father's Day' - in a Country Where Fatherhood is Dying Out

So no I'd rather take responsiblity as a parent than pass it on to the government.

I am confused. Is fatherhood dying out a bad thing?

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As you can see in Islam the emphasis on the motherhood as superior three times over the father. So why is fatherhood dying out...even in Islamic country? Is losing fatherhood really that bad? I mean new generation boys learn very well that their role as parent is not that valued and if the government can provide programs for the children and the mother couldn't do it..why not?
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fschmidt
03-02-2019, 01:24 AM
Originally Posted by Junon
So no I'd rather take responsiblity as a parent than pass it on to the government.
Meaning homeschooling your kids? That is what I did. A religious private school is another option. No reasonable person would send their kids to government schools, so I couldn't care less what they teach in government schools.
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anatolian
03-02-2019, 07:30 AM
Originally Posted by Junon
Salaam

Ideally it should be parents, (relatives, wider community) teaching the basics to their child within an Islamic framework. I wouldnt trust the government given its record of disregarding parents wishes, concerns (which is the video talks about). They are more interested in their 'social engineering' projects. We can see the results.

So Much for 'Father's Day' - in a Country Where Fatherhood is Dying Out

So no I'd rather take responsiblity as a parent than pass it on to the government.
Wa Salam. Could you expand the bolted part more? Have you ever tried to teach your children how the sexual intercourse is made? Ofcourse it is theorically possible but I guess the number of parents who could do it professionally is not high.

Social engineering is always done by the governments everywhere not only in this case. The question is whether it is for a good and acceptable purpose. As I said the content should be kept wihtin the scientific boundaries. Islam does/can not contradict with science.
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Junon
03-09-2019, 12:47 AM
Salaam

Originally Posted by fschmidt
Meaning homeschooling your kids? That is what I did. A religious private school is another option. No reasonable person would send their kids to government schools, so I couldn't care less what they teach in government schools.
Yes its not ideal but its a good idea. I think its important take a pro active role in educating their kids rather than leave it in the hands of the state. We all know what the state is capable of.

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Woodhead argues that we need: 1) independent school headteachers to assert their independence; 2) the Conservative party to find its voice and generate momentum for change; 3) schools to be free of bureaucratic constraint, and parents to be empowered, via the implementation of a voucher scheme, so that a genuine educational market may be established in Britain.


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Originally Posted by anatolian
Wa Salam. Could you expand the bolted part more? Have you ever tried to teach your children how the sexual intercourse is made? Ofcourse it is theorically possible but I guess the number of parents who could do it professionally is not high.

Social engineering is always done by the governments everywhere not only in this case. The question is whether it is for a good and acceptable purpose. As I said the content should be kept wihtin the scientific boundaries. Islam does/can not contradict with science.
Yes whats so hard about it? Its a parental responsiblity, better you teach it than some random stranger, there are plenty of good teaching materials out there. And what makes you think teachers can do a better job? (I remember it, one session and that was that, guess it could of been worse).

And no Id rather the state stay away from 'social engineering' for a glorious 'utopia' (now they want to target sex education at primary children) and instead focus on the job of governing.
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