About the sun rising from the west...

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Ahmed deedat thinks the sun rising from the west is the muslims spreadin dawah thru the west and making a propa pious army in the west.

is there any article or anything to refute this? i dont have a lot of knowledge on this but i really thought the sun will literally rise from the west...

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maybe he talkin bout signs of qiyamah, cos the sun is gna rise from the west near the end. and maybe he thinks muslims will be doin dawah in the west + stuff.

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naa mishti guy he actually said that its impossible because the world will have to come to a halt and if that happens everything would be flying everywhere so it must be that the west will go all islamic but im thinkin Allaah can do NETHIN!!

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he said the rising of sun from west impossible?

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^ ye becoz he goes dat the earth wud hav to rotate opposite direction, for dat to happen the earth wud hav to come to a SCREECHING halt causing mountains and everythin to fly about and oceans to flood everything...

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^That sounds like Judgement Day to me.

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woh, i duno cos their is are a few hadiths sayin the sun wil rise from west.

like .... Abu Huraira ra, said "The Prophet (saw) said ~ " the hour will not come until the sun rises from the west. when it rises and the people see it, they will all believe. but that wil be the time when no good will it do to a soul to believe"

and this hadiths in bukhari, hadiths 6/73. also theres many hadiths bout sun risin from west, akhii what speech is this?

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^yeaa...
if thats what is going to happen, then i would say it is Qawmal Qiyama.

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ye but i thot dajjal comin AFTA that...

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well it doesnt have to come right away. its still a sign, no? lol
if that makes sense at all :X

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^ no it didnt

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am not exactly sure wot ur discussing here..am lil confused...

i can recommend a book....proper detailed, informative about each signs before the day of judgement...with hadiths andd Quran...

let me search the name...worth buying it...cost 12 punds from regents park mosque in other places such as zam zam it is 15 or 20 quid....

its called.....

Book of the end(great trials and tribulations) by al-hafiz ibn katheer dimashqi, translated by: faisal shafiq...

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no lol, i just want a propa interpretation of that sign...

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there also a hadiths in bukhari in kitab bidd al khalq, i tink sayin "when the sun sets, it goes and prostrates beneath the throne and waits for permision to rise again,but theres goin to be a time, when Allah swt, wil tel the sun to go back where it came from"

so basicaly the sun instead of risin in east wil b told to rise from west, subhanAllah!! i duno why sheikh deedat wud say dat it wont though

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chacha_jalebi said:

there also a hadiths in bukhari in kitab bidd al khalq, i tink sayin "when the sun sets, it goes and prostrates beneath the throne and waits for permision to rise again,but theres goin to be a time, when Allah swt, wil tel the sun to go back where it came from"

so basicaly the sun instead of risin in east wil b told to rise from west, subhanAllah!! i duno why sheikh deedat wud say dat it wont though

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ye i heard all dese b4, jazakAllah khair needed da reminder,

i was baffled aswel, lol perhaps the sheikh didnt hear all this

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I dont think that the Hadith can mean, that once people see the people in the west becoming Muslim they'll all want to become Muslim. But remember that Ahmed Deedat is a Comparative Religion scholor, and not a Faqhi or a Hadith scholor. For understanding this Hadith, go to the proper scholors.

The sun is one of the signs of Allaah, for which He has created a course in which it runs, and a system from which it does not change. It rises in the east every day, but when Allaah gives permission for the world to end and the Hour to begin, He will command it to rise from the west. At that time all people will believe and will be certain of the resurrection, but their faith will not avail them anything at that moment, except for those who believed before.

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http://islam-qa.com/index.php?ref=71201&ln=eng

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IbnAbdulHakim said:

ye but i thot dajjal comin AFTA that...

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Are you sure? Because when the sun rises from the west the doors for repentance close X), but we know that after the dajjal Isa (as) is going to come and people have to convert to Islam, so how can they convert if the doors for repentance are closed? :?

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Well there might certainly be a logic in the comments made, because assuming that the same rules of physics still apply that would indeed be troublesome. However why would one assume that Allah subhana wa ta'ala would still enforce the same laws during that miracle? It's a miracle, and miracles have a tendency to occur under different rules as the normal rules. Furthermore it could be that the earth stops and turns around, but remember all movement is relative. Allah subhana wa ta'ala knows best, and yes it sounds difficult to imagen this will occur, but having faith, I believe it will. Also, the hadeeths are quite explicit about the sun actually rising, so I doubt it's a metaphor.

"The Prophet (sal-Allaahu 'alayhe wa sallam) asked me, 'Do you know
where the sun goes when it sets?' I said, 'I do not know' He said, 'It
travels until it prostrates itself beneath the Throne, and asks for
permission to rise again. But a time will come when it will be told, 'Go
back whence you came.' That will be the time when 'No good will it do to
a person to believe then, if he believed not before, nor earned good (by
performing deeds of righteousness) through his Faith' " [Bukhaaree] [5]
source: http://www.islambasics.com/index.php?act=download&BID=73

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Malaikah said:

Are you sure? Because when the sun rises from the west the doors for repentance close X), but we know that after the dajjal Isa (as) is going to come and people have to convert to Islam, so how can they convert if the doors for repentance are closed? :?

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i thot dajjal was gnna close the doors to repentance :X now im all confused!!

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also bro i think its important to say that, sum scholars interpret the sun comin from west as meanin that islam wil rise in the west, lik the sun is muslims and not literaly d sun. but i believe the actual sun wil rise cos of the hadith dat says the sun wil b told to go back wer it came from