About the sun rising from the west...

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i thot dajjal was gnna close the doors to repentance :X now im all confused!!

nope defiantely its the sun rising..

and steve ya ur right.. miracles by definition defy the natural laws , otherwise they're not really miracles.

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and yes it sounds difficult to imagen this will occur,

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It isn't hard at all, here's one possibility:

Allah swt FREEZES the planet earth and everything in it (you know, like how they used to do in cartoons:D) So all the mountains/trees and everything just freeze. Then He orders the earth to slow down and start spinning in the opposite direction (keeping in mind that the earth itself, molecules and everything are 100% frozen in place), then when the earth reaches its normal speed but in the opposite direction, he unfreezes the earth and tada, direction is reversed, and the sun rises from the west, then everyone who made fun of Islam realises that this is exactly what Prophet Muhammad pbuh said would happen, but TOO LATE FOR THEM.
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OR, he could just say 'Be', and it is. :D
 
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or maybe the worlds slowing down RIGHT NOW and gettin ready to reverse AS WE're TYPING :uuh:
 
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Remember the axis of the Earth changes every year. That is also quite a massive movement.
 
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does it really matter how it happens? the moon split... i find that even more amazing... jesus spoke from cradle without going to any armaic classes... etc etc etc....

even after th eprophet miracles would happen every now and then on tough occasions... sun rising from west is just another oen of those (but super important) ones.
 
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What do you mean by the axis changes?:?

Subhanallah it is amazing to think that we are actually moving at really high speeds and spinning around in a circle and we don't even realise it. :uuh:
 
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does it really matter how it happens?

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Yeh... it's cool to think about it :shade: (as long as we don't witness it:X)

the moon split... i find that even more amazing...

No way! That is easy compared to this!

jesus spoke from cradle without going to any armaic classes... etc etc etc....

That is easy too, although I always wondered what it would like to see a new born speak... I wonder if he had a baby voice?:statisfie
 
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Well there might certainly be a logic in the comments made, because assuming that the same rules of physics still apply that would indeed be troublesome. However why would one assume that Allah subhana wa ta'ala would still enforce the same laws during that miracle? It's a miracle, and miracles have a tendency to occur under different rules as the normal rules. Furthermore it could be that the earth stops and turns around, but remember all movement is relative. Allah subhana wa ta'ala knows best, and yes it sounds difficult to imagen this will occur, but having faith, I believe it will. Also, the hadeeths are quite explicit about the sun actually rising, so I doubt it's a metaphor.

"The Prophet (sal-Allaahu 'alayhe wa sallam) asked me, 'Do you know
where the sun goes when it sets?' I said, 'I do not know' He said, 'It
travels until it prostrates itself beneath the Throne, and asks for
permission to rise again. But a time will come when it will be told, 'Go
back whence you came.' That will be the time when 'No good will it do to
a person to believe then, if he believed not before, nor earned good (by
performing deeds of righteousness) through his Faith' " [Bukhaaree] [5]
source: http://www.islambasics.com/index.php?act=download&BID=73

oh btw bro that second hadith... there's a thread soemwhere here about that.. and i explained that its nothign to do with sun physically standing or setting.. the wording of the hadith doesnt imply that either.

http://www.islamicboard.com/refutat...l?highlight=constellation+hercules#post619066

tc :w:
 
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What do you mean by the axis changes?:?

Subhanallah it is amazing to think that we are actually moving at really high speeds and spinning around in a circle and we don't even realise it. :uuh:

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The tilting of the earth which causes the seasons.
 
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naa mishti guy he actually said that its impossible because the world will have to come to a halt and if that happens everything would be flying everywhere so it must be that the west will go all islamic but im thinkin Allaah can do NETHIN!!

Nope, no need to stop. We all know the Earth wobbles on it's axis and in the past there have been drastic shifts. If there is ever a 180 degree shift north and south will shift and in respect to the sun we will now be rotating in the opposite direction and the sun will rise in the west. No stoping and restarting the rotation, just simply turning us upside down. It is a very probable thing that will happen one day.
 
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Nope, no need to stop. We all know the Earth wobbles on it's axis and in the past there have been drastic shifts. If there is ever a 180 degree shift north and south will shift and in respect to the sun we will now be rotating in the opposite direction and the sun will rise in the west. No stoping and restarting the rotation, just simply turning us upside down. It is a very probable thing that will happen one day.

interesting..
 
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Nope, no need to stop. We all know the Earth wobbles on it's axis and in the past there have been drastic shifts. If there is ever a 180 degree shift north and south will shift and in respect to the sun we will now be rotating in the opposite direction and the sun will rise in the west. No stoping and restarting the rotation, just simply turning us upside down. It is a very probable thing that will happen one day.


Good explanation. I believe this will literally happen. SubhanAllah!
 
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Ahmed deedat thinks the sun rising from the west is the muslims spreadin dawah thru the west and making a propa pious army in the west.

is there any article or anything to refute this? i dont have a lot of knowledge on this but i really thought the sun will literally rise from the west...

It means that enlightenment will come from the west. It's already comming from there.
 
It means that enlightenment will come from the west. It's already comming from there.

then how do you explain the hadiths which say that tawbah stops at that point, and the other hadith about the sun asking Allah for permission...

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Allah said in the Qur'an that He likes to make idioms (forgot about the surah, sorry...)

Related to this "sun from west" problem, it might be one of His idioms, which could have the other meaning!

Still...

Whatever the case Allahu alam

Yeah, we cannot simply say "it's definitely this" or "definitely that", moreover if connected to Allah's plan. I think it's better for us to prepare for the future, and make Allah's clues as our direction, regardless whose theory was correct. If you see the sun rising from the west, OR there is a circumstance where people in the west are very drastically enter Islam and there is no possibility of the real sun rising in west, then the "day" has closed by. Simple, eh?:P

InshaAllah He plans the best for us, InshaAllah..

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Allah said in the Qur'an that He likes to make idioms (forgot about the surah, sorry...)

Related to this "sun from west" problem, it might be one of His idioms, which could have the other meaning!

Still...



Yeah, we cannot simply say "it's definitely this" or "definitely that", moreover if connected to Allah's plan. I think it's better for us to prepare for the future, and make Allah's clues as our direction, regardless whose theory was correct. If you see the sun rising from the west, OR there is a circumstance where people in the west are very drastically enter Islam and there is no possibility of the real sun rising in west, then the "day" has closed by. Simple, eh?:P

InshaAllah He plans the best for us, InshaAllah..

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idioms are only used to make a point. Prophecies are clear in what they refer to.

and suppose we take your interpretation... wat u make of this: ?

then how do you explain the hadiths which say that tawbah stops at that point, and the other hadith about the sun asking Allah for permission...

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:w: :D
 
Allah says, describing the movement of the sun and its submission to the command of Allah (interpretation of the meaning):

“And the sun runs on its fixed course for a term (appointed). That is the Decree of the All‑Mighty, the All‑Knowing”

[Ya-Seen 36:38]

This is explained in the Sunnah. Al-Bukhaari (3199) narrated that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said to Abu Dharr, when the sun set: “Do you know where it goes?” He said: Allah and His Messenger know best. He said: “It goes and prostrates beneath the Throne, and it asks for permission, and permission is given to it. But soon it will prostrate and it will not be accepted from it, and it will ask for permission and permission will not be given to it, and it will be said to it: ‘Go back from where you came.’ So it will rise from its place of setting, and that is what Allah says (interpretation of the meaning): “And the sun runs on its fixed course for a term (appointed). That is the Decree of the All‑Mighty, the All‑Knowing.’”

Al-Tahhaawi (may Allah have mercy on him) said in his well known book al-‘Aqeedah: We believe in the portents of the Hour, the emergence of the Dajjaal, the descent of ‘Eesa ibn Maryam (peace be upon him) from heaven, and we believe that the sun will rise from the west. End quote.

Shaykh Ibn ‘Uthaymeen (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: Similarly, the sun and moon travel in their orbits along the courses decreed for them until an appointed time, until Allaah will give permission for this universe to be destroyed. Then the sun will emerge from its place of setting as is narrated in Saheeh al-Bukhaari from Abu Dharr. Then he quoted the hadeeth mentioned above.

This hadeeth clearly indicates that the sun travels by itself, as is also indicated by the verses in which Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“And the sun runs on its fixed course”

[Ya-Seen 36:38]

“Each running (on a fixed course) for an appointed term”

[al-Zumar 39:5]

“each in an orbit floating”

[al-Anbiya’ 21:33]

This evidence proves false the idea that the sun is fixed and does not move, and indicates that this is a false notion which should be refuted. End quote from Majmoo’ Fataawa wa Rasaa’il al-Shaykh Ibn ‘Uthaymeen (6/195).
 
Dr. Daniel Hakim writes in his book, "The Muslim Mind Empire" that some hukama say the sun rising from the west means bright victory of Islam might appear in Western countries. If this is so then we can expect the next Muslim resurgence will happen in the West.

I have read in newspapers and magazines saying there are more Europeans, Americans and Latinos embracing Islam every year. We all have heard how Islam is the fastest growing religion in America.

Could it be that the hadith isn't meant to be taken literally? If Islam does not grow strong in the East it will do so in the West? That we may finally learn the lesson that Allah will give guidance to whomever He pleases?

If we mean to take that hadith literally then, we have to consider a worldwide catastrophe, like a comet impact that would alter the direction of Earth's rotation. By then, maybe no one's repentance would be accepted, since everybody would have been dead.
 
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