German State Court Upholds Headscarf Ban for Teachers

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A court in Germany's most populous state of North Rhine-Westphalia has upheld a ban on female Muslim teachers wearing headscarves in schools.

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Wearing a headscarf violated a state regulation against religious symbols in public schools, the administrative court in the western city of Düsseldorf ruled on Tuesday.

The case was brought by a 52-year-old secondary school teacher, who said she would appeal Tuesday's ruling.

The teacher had argued that her headscarf was a "fashion accessory à la Grace Kelly" that was in line with Christian-Occidental values.

The judges did not accept the argument, pointing out that since the teacher always wore the scarf, it was a symbol of her religous beliefs.
Authorities in North Rhine-Westphalia imposed a ban on headscarves in June 2006.

A similar ban was introduced in the southern state of Bavaria in 2005 with the aim of protecting children from the influence of Islamic fundamentalists.

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Headscarves are banned in eight of Germany's 16 states, but laws vary about other headdress.

After the headscarf prohibition came into effect in June 2006 in North Rhine-Westphalia, one teacher appeared at school wearing a beret. A court said the beret fell under the headscarf rule and asked the teacher to consider wearing a wig instead, which she refused.

In Bavaria, on the other hand, teachers may wear hats in school.

At an administrative court in Stuttgart in the state of Baden-Württemburg, judges in July 2006 reversed an earlier decision. There, Muslim teachers may now wear headscarves since nuns are also permitted to wear their habits in public schools.

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I find the baning of Headscarfs as discusting as requireing them. :mad:

But that's just me. :embarrass
 
This whole thing with scarfes is confusing i think. Does the article talks about just hijabs or niqabs (the whole face cover)? Because it is much difference i think. And about the ban.. I really dont know, i think that it kind of violates the religious freedom, but from the other side, there is no a sharia law in Germany, so muslims must follow the german law.
 
What is the big deal with a head scarf? It just seems a stupid thing to restrict. How does it harm anyone?

I know a Sikh ENT surgeon. He just puts his surgical hood over his head thingy (whatever that is called). Big deal.
 
the french and the germans think that if you ban the head scarfs people will more easily integrate into thier culture, and it will eventually secularize people. not saying its right, but just pointing out that they do not believe something stupid like bombs being hidden there or something.
 
Hijab is an integral part of Islam, it is derived from Quranic injunctions and its practice is not symbolic or a fashion or cultural statement but rather it is a manifestation of being a Muslim and following the deen of Islam. An attack on hijab is clearly an attack on Islam. To criminalize hijab is to criminalize Islam. This is the intension of this law - to outlaw the practice of Islam.


My liberty – hijab
My quality – hijab
My surety – hijab
My philosophy – hijab
I’ll always wear – my hijab
You’ll never scare – my hijab
I’ll give my life – for hijab
I’ll always strive – for hijab
Allah’s blessings in hijab
Islamic blessings in hijab
Allah’s teaching – hijab
Prophet’s preaching – hijab
Part of shariah – hijab
My exterior – hijab
My political voice – hijab
My free will and choice – hijab
My body’s veil – hijab
Keeps me real - hijab
 
the french and the germans think that if you ban the head scarfs people will more easily integrate into thier culture, and it will eventually secularize people. not saying its right, but just pointing out that they do not believe something stupid like bombs being hidden there or something.

Yes, I can see the argument for aculturation, but it still seems somewhat harmless. I do understand the French idea about public schools banning headscarves as they also ban other religious symbols in a rigorous fashion. It does seem in that case that Muslim parents have the option to vote with their feet and leave France or go to a private Islamic shool. Still, the "forced secualrism" seems a bit overwraught and is clsoe to being a de facto state religion.

A veil in an English courtroom...that is a completely rational thing to ban as it directly conflicts with a millenium of English jursiprudence
 
This is the intension of this law - to outlaw the practice of Islam.
Am I assume you are talking about all the mosques closures and Muslims imprisoned for praying.
 
Hijab is an integral part of Islam, it is derived from Quranic injunctions and its practice is not symbolic or a fashion or cultural statement but rather it is a manifestation of being a Muslim and following the deen of Islam. An attack on hijab is clearly an attack on Islam. To criminalize hijab is to criminalize Islam. This is the intension of this law - to outlaw the practice of Islam.


My liberty – hijab
My quality – hijab
My surety – hijab
My philosophy – hijab
I’ll always wear – my hijab
You’ll never scare – my hijab
I’ll give my life – for hijab
I’ll always strive – for hijab
Allah’s blessings in hijab
Islamic blessings in hijab
Allah’s teaching – hijab
Prophet’s preaching – hijab
Part of shariah – hijab
My exterior – hijab
My political voice – hijab
My free will and choice – hijab
My body’s veil – hijab
Keeps me real - hijab


Ding, ding, ding. That one get's my attention because it seems baldly secular and I have a hard time believing that is some Quranic instruction. I am glad you admitted it. That may well be what is yanking chains in Germany.
 
In September 2003, after a five year battle, Germany’s highest court in Karlsruhe finally ruled that school authorities in the southern city of Stuttgart were wrong to sack a Muslim woman from a teaching job because she wore a headscarf in the classroom. But the court also stated that although Germany’s constitution did not forbid the wearing of headscarves in state-run schools, individual states could impose such a ban if they wished.

On October 10th 2003, seven out of Germany's sixteen states backed legislation barring hijab at a meeting of the 16 regional ministers for culture, education and religious affairs. Already two of these states - Bavaria and Baden-Württemberg have drafted bills which, if passed, would prohibit teachers in state-funded schools from wearing headscarves. The bills will be sent before their respective state parliaments for approval early in the New Year.

In an interview with Germany's Bild am Sonntag newspaper (21 Dec 2004) Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder supported the ban on hijab by saying that "headscarves have no place among people who act on behalf of the state, and that includes teachers".

Update April 2004: The German state of Baden-Wuerttemberg has banned Muslim women teachers from its schools, State culture minister Annette Schavan was quoted as saying "headscarves have no place in schools". The state assembly approved the law almost unanimously. Another five out of 16 states are in the process of passing similar bans.
 
As i said, its Germany, there are german laws, not sharia laws.
 
:sl: the germans like westerners, wanna make *****s of our women Allahummaghfir lee :sl:
 
according to our laws yeh, but im not debating your culture vs mine, you always come where i post and put up some comment to attack my honour im ending it...
 
according to our laws yeh,
But we are talking about German laws. If you find German laws immoral, get them overturned or leave. But then you arn't in Germany.
but im not debating your culture vs mine,
Culture? I thought we were talking about laws.
you always come where i post and put up some comment to attack my honour
Not your houour, your common sence. A woman not waring a headscarf is a "*****s" That is just obsurd. If you masure ones morality by a simple peace of fabrice, that's sad.
im ending it
Good by.
 
i guess thats why some muslims from the mideast have raped some european women because they thought they were *****s or something. ie not wearing thier hijab.
 
their country their law :) if u dont like it then leave, this is what Islam says! if u feel u cant properly follow ur religion in another country whereas you can preform it better elsewhere and u have the means to move then you should move, or else stop complaining and get on with it and wait till germany becomes a Muslim majority and then u can wear ur hijab :) theres no use in throwing tantrums about this lets be honest ppl several of our muslim countries ban alot of religous festivities of other religions (which i dont mind) so we are basically even :) lets move on to more imporant issues plz cause i as a muslim am tired of this headscarf debate u begin to hear so much about a certain topic that it just gets OLD especially a topic that isnt really life and death!

why dont we as Muslims show this much dis-satisfaction when turkey, tunis, and algeria ban the hijab? oh yeah and morroco?! lets fix our countries up, make them pure Islamic countries, then we will stop being humiliated worldwide :) easy.
 
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