Gospel of Timothy gives a clue about the coming of Islam

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This is addressed to Christians...

I noticed everyone is fond of using verses from John and Paul...

I have read the Bible many times and the only book in it that gave me a confirmation that Islam is coming is when Christ mentioned to his disciples...

"Cast away demons using my name, heal the sick using my name, Pray to God using my name... but there will come a time that you shall not use my name anymore and you will be praying to God directly."

In Islam... Muslims pray to God directly... have you ever noticed how history repeated itself? ... the Jews were given the clues about the coming of Jesus... but - they refused to believe. then, the Christians emerged... then when the Last Prophet was sent by God even when it was also mentioned in the old scriptures... the now Christians refuse to believe... what does this make them? ... no different from the way Jews treat the Early Christians...

Three eras... all aimed in the perfection of the true religion for man from God. Truly, the blind cannot be the same with those who can see.
 
Is the Gospel meant to be a holy book?

Or

Where is the Gospel of Timothy?
 
khairullah said:
That's a clear clue, can you give me the reference, please.
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It's in the last part of Timothy's Gospel... I don't have my bible with me... but last time I read it was last year before I went to Saudi... and just after reading the Qur'an... the verse where Jesus Christ (Eesauh AS) mentioned it to his disciples... about the coming of the time where they will not be using his name anymore in praying to God... Eesauh AS was actually referring to a direct communication to God... where in the world can you find a religion which practice this?... Clearly... Eeasauh AS was actually talking about the coming of Islam.

This part of Timothy's Gospel struck my mind as I was reading the Qur'an for the very first time... last year.

About the coming of the comforter.. there were clearly verses mentioning the coming of the comforter but most Christians claim that this Comforter is the Holy Spirit... which is of course false... but if the comforter is the Holy Spirit... then why are Christians still praying to Jesus? Jesus himself mentioned of the time where we will be praying directly.... then why wold the Holy Spirit be another medium aside from Jesus?... if there was a time that God has given authorization for Jesus to mediate... and if it did happen only Allah knows best... but Jesus already mentioned in timothy that it will also end... praying and casting of demons and healing the sick by using his name...

If we will only be spending time to reflect on Timothy's gospel... we will realize that there is more truth in it than any of the other gospels in the Christian Bible.

This is just my reflection... I am not a Scholar in anything but I am more into reflecting anything I read... I would still be recomending every seeker to consult the scholars...

By the way... Allah sent the Qur'an to humanity specially for the people who THINK, who APPRECIATE and who REFLECT.

Doing those three requisites can guide any seeker of knowledge in finding truth in almost anything. A book is like water from a river... reading it is like pouring this raw water through a strainer... after you have poured it into a glass container.... re-reading it again is like pouring it again on another filter.... you get cleaner water this time.... as the book becomes clearer too.... if you allow the water to be still over time all the sediments will go down... giving you a much clearer liquid... this is reflection.

The only time the book becomes more clear is after we have closed it for a long time already.


Salaamualaikum!
 
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Aaron85 said:
Message for muslims- Isnt Bible false according to you? If so, why you use it :).
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We Muslims believe in the One God, we believe in all the books of the One God, we believe in the existence of angels... and we believe in the last day... and we believe that the One God sent his Prophets....

I was once a Catholic Seminarian... so I read the Bible a lot before... and reading it too much and reflecting on it much can lead a Christian to seek Islam... as it did to me.

Are you reading your bible well enough?

Of course it is corrupted... but - if you can identify the falsehood from the lies... then it's OK to read it. But, if you cannot tell black from white.... and cannot reflect on it... then I suggest you dont.

Now, how can you tell? .... that's where prayers come in.

Prayer for guidance.

Salaaam....
 
believer said:
It's in the last part of Timothy's Gospel... I don't have my bible with me... but last time I read it was last year before I went to Saudi... and just after reading the Qur'an... the verse where Jesus Christ (Eesauh AS) mentioned it to his disciples... about the coming of the time where they will not be using his name anymore in praying to God... Eesauh AS was actually referring to a direct communication to God... where in the world can you find a religion which practice this?... Clearly... Eeasauh AS was actually talking about the coming of Islam.

This part of Timothy's Gospel struck my mind as I was reading the Qur'an for the very first time... last year.

About the coming of the comforter.. there were clearly verses mentioning the coming of the comforter but most Christians claim that this Comforter is the Holy Spirit... which is of course false... but if the comforter is the Holy Spirit... then why are Christians still praying to Jesus? Jesus himself mentioned of the time where we will be praying directly.... then why wold the Holy Spirit be another medium aside from Jesus?... if there was a time that God has given authorization for Jesus to mediate... and if it did happen only Allah knows best... but Jesus already mentioned in timothy that it will also end... praying and casting of demons and healing the sick by using his name...

If we will only be spending time to reflect on Timothy's gospel... we will realize that there is more truth in it than any of the other gospels in the Christian Bible.

This is just my reflection... I am not a Scholar in anything but I am more into reflecting anything I read... I would still be recomending every seeker to consult the scholars...

By the way... Allah sent the Qur'an to humanity specially for the people who THINK, who APPRECIATE and who REFLECT.

Doing those three requisites can guide any seeker of knowledge in finding truth in almost anything. A book is like water from a river... reading it is like pouring this raw water through a strainer... after you have poured it into a glass container.... re-reading it again is like pouring it again on another filter.... you get cleaner water this time.... as the book becomes clearer too.... if you allow the water to be still over time all the sediments will go down... giving you a much clearer liquid... this is reflection.

The only time the book becomes more clear is after we have closed it for a long time already.


Salaamualaikum!
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I don't see how it is "obvious" to you that the Comforter is not the Holy Spirit. If you have actually read the Bible in detail and focused on the Comforter in particular, it is quite obvious that the Holy Spirit is being referred to.



JOHN 14:25, 26: "All this I have spoken while still with you. But the Comforter, the Holy Spirit whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you."



JOHN 15:26: "When the Comforter comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth who goes out from the Father, he will testify about me."

You cannot disregard John when discussing the Holy Spirit, as it is apparent from those verses that the Comforter is not Muhammed, and not even a man.

As for Timothy, it is primarily instructions for ministering, with instructions for proper doctrine, the role of women, and the treatment of elders thrown in. I'm not sure what verse you are referring to, but the one that always sticks in my mind is this one...

Timothy 6:13 "I charge you in the presence of God, who gives life to all things, and of Christ Jesus, who testified the good confession before Pontius Pilate, that you keep the commandment without stain or reproach until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ, which He will bring about at the proper time--He who is blessed and only Sovereign, the King of Kings and Lord of Lords, who alone possesses immortality and dwells in unapproachable light, whom no man has seen or can see. To Him be honor and eternal dominion! Amen.
 
The Bible "predicts" Islam/Muhammed the same way way it "predicts" it and equates it with the Beast/Anti-christ of revelations.
 
Gospel of Timothy gives a clue about the coming of Islam
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perhaps someone should run a course to teach Muslim about the origins of Islam, whether It arrived with Hazrat Adam alaisalam or the Last Prophet of Allah.

please don't choose the embarassing titles !!!
 
Keltoi said:
I don't see how it is "obvious" to you that the Comforter is not the Holy Spirit. If you have actually read the Bible in detail and focused on the Comforter in particular, it is quite obvious that the Holy Spirit is being referred to.


The Holy Qur'an Confirms that the Holy Spirit referred to by christians (include me in us christians before) is the Angel Gabriel...




JOHN 14:25, 26: "All this I have spoken while still with you. But the Comforter, the Holy Spirit whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you."


Muhammad (pbuh) never said anything from himself in the Qur'an... the Qur'an was dictated to him by Angel Gabriel... and the message of the Qur'an is to confirm what was sent before..(i.e., the Torrah and the Injil - OT and NT) the Qur'an also teaches all things... check out and reflect on the scientific breakthroughs of modern science - it is written in the Qur'an also... The Qur'an reminds the stories of the prophets of the past... especially Moses and Pharaoh... because this is one of the stories where man's resistance to accept the existence of the One true God was more rampant... it is also where God demonstrated His power many times, yet Man still backslides into worshipping the golden calf... The Qur'an also told about the real story of Jesus the son of Mary... how he was worshipped by the Christians and how the christians say that God is three!.... check it out for yourself...



JOHN 15:26: "When the Comforter comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth who goes out from the Father, he will testify about me."

EXACTLY!!! When the comforter comes (i.e., Muhammad RAW) .. and the Spirit of Truth! (i.e., Gibrail - Angel Gabriel) who goes out from God - will testify about God (ALLAH SWT)


You cannot disregard John when discussing the Holy Spirit, as it is apparent from those verses that the Comforter is not Muhammed, and not even a man.


The Comforter is a title... which describes what he has brought to us... Muhammad (RAW) was made instrument by God to recite the Holy Qur'an... an illiterate man from a desert tribe who cannot invent any poetry and who is known to be very honest since childhood... The Qur'an is a clear message to mankind about the promise and reality of Paradise for those who believe... the Comforting message is also the fact that humanity was given 1 mercy from God... this mercy can be seen how a mother nurses and takes care of her child... and God has reserved 99 more mercies in Paradise for the believers... can you not see who has more peace of mind among humanity? .... I haven't seen any single real Muslim who is a scitzo.... or a worrier...

As for Timothy, it is primarily instructions for ministering, with instructions for proper doctrine, the role of women, and the treatment of elders thrown in. I'm not sure what verse you are referring to, but the one that always sticks in my mind is this one...

Timothy 6:13 "I charge you in the presence of God, who gives life to all things, and of Christ Jesus, who testified the good confession before Pontius Pilate, that you keep the commandment without stain or reproach until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ, which He will bring about at the proper time--He who is blessed and only Sovereign, the King of Kings and Lord of Lords, who alone possesses immortality and dwells in unapproachable light, whom no man has seen or can see. To Him be honor and eternal dominion! Amen.



In this verse... who's talking??? Christ or timothy?
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Isambard said:
The Bible "predicts" Islam/Muhammed the same way way it "predicts" it and equates it with the Beast/Anti-christ of revelations.
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This is a misnomer... at any rate... just for technical clarity....

Bible = book; composed of Gospels according to the Apostles of christ.... but not really Gospel according to Christ. It was the Book of Revelations that predicted many things.... In fact - I was once fascinated by this book... really pondered a lot and reflected a lot on it. Was also very much attentive to the 700 Club whenever they have a segment about the book of Revelations.

The Anti-Christ is another entity of individual who is cleverly disguised as someone not persecuted by Mankind.

Muhammad (pbuh) is a prophet of God.

All prophets of God share the same impression to mankind.... they are all persecuted. some of them killed, some of them beaten, some of them mocked - most of them are if not all. The Anti-Christ will not have this trademark or signature.

Quite true, the Bible's Revelation predicted the coming of Christ and Muhammad in the same manner it predicted the Anti-Christ and the Last Days... in fact, it predicted many things including the coming of the comforter which will bring comfort to humanity in the form os ISLAM... the perfected religion of Allah... the religion practiced by all the prophets including Jesus (Eeasauh Alleihisalaam).
 
believer said:
In Islam... Muslims pray to God directly... have you ever noticed how history repeated itself? ... the Jews were given the clues about the coming of Jesus... but - they refused to believe. then, the Christians emerged... then when the Last Prophet was sent by God even when it was also mentioned in the old scriptures... the now Christians refuse to believe... what does this make them? ... no different from the way Jews treat the Early Christians...
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The same goes for Muslims and the Baha'i, doesn't it?
Of course it doesn't, as Islam is obviously true and Baha'i false...

:)
 
Has anybody found a reference for the original quote yet?


In this verse... who's talking??? Christ or timothy?
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Neither. It's Paul writing to Timothy.
 
Aaron85 said:
Message for muslims- Isnt Bible false according to you? If so, why you use it :).
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If by false you mean that its not the injeel that was given to Jesus then yes :D But I am sure you'll agree that books can contain some truth and falsehood, I mean many of the apocrypha books have both truth and falsehood, would you reject those outright?

believer said:
Eeasauh AS was actually talking about the coming of Islam.
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Just curious, how do you know Eesa, peac be upon him, actually said any of the words in the Bible?
 
Al Habeshi said:
Just curious, how do you know Eesah peac be upon him, actually said any of the words in the Bible?
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Nothing can be altered without basing it on something... the degree of truth is strong in the original texts of the Hebrew Bible which was destroyed by Constantine... it was revised to serve his political ambitions... Using the Religion of the followers of Eassauh AS at that time made sense in his pursuits of power.

If you have read the bible in it's entirety and reflected on it... with a clear understanding of the Natural Moral Law... you will be able to see the consistency of the nature of Eassah AS.

One way of knowing if it really was Easauh AS (Jesus Christ) who said it and not the writers of the revised and altered Bible... is to check if it doesn't contradict the Qur'an and Islam. Since the Injil is supposed to confirm the Qur'an - and this is according to the Qur'an itself.

So if a verse in the Bible confirms and supports what is in the Qur'an... then it should be considered some of the truths which constantine and Paul wasn't able to filter out or cannot filter out.

Moreover, it doesn't really matter much anymore if it was really Eassauh AS who said it or not... what matters really is what was said. We have to evaluate, weight, analyse and reflect on the words that was supposedly said. If it doesnt contradict, if it confirms, if it's consistent... then it's right. If it creates confussion... then there's something wrong with it.

We can also say that the present day bibles are scrambled messages of the original text... the right way of reading it is to read between the lines... much the same manner a computer would be reading or descrambling a coded or encrypted message.

Much of the truth and conviction comes after reflecting on what we read and of course after asking for divine guidance.
 
I don't see how it is "obvious" to you that the Comforter is not the Holy Spirit.
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Because Jesus (PBUH) said that the comforter will not come untill I depart, means When ever Jesus (PBUH) leave then the comforter will come.

Christians say that the Comforter mentioned in these prophecies refers to the Holy Sprit. They fail to realize that the prophecy clearly says that only if Jesus (pbuh) departs will the Comforter come. The Bible states that the Holy Spirit was already present on earth before and during the time of Jesus (pbuh), in the womb of Elizabeth, and again when Jesus (pbuh) was being baptised, etc. Hence this prophecy refers to none other than Prophet Muhammad (pbuh).

Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.

If you have actually read the Bible in detail and focused on the Comforter in particular, it is quite obvious that the Holy Spirit is being referred to.
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No actually the earliar Christians changed everything and now you believe whatever came from their brains.

The Gospel of John is the most Controversial book, because many priest and Christians considers it anreliable.

and also the Authorship of the Gospel of John is unknown.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel_of_John


JOHN 14:25, 26: "All this I have spoken while still with you. But the Comforter, the Holy Spirit whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you."
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here you can check the other verse does not mention the name of holy spirit which is a clear proof that the Bible is changed. That's why many Christians reject the gospel of John.

John 16:12

12I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.

13Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

15All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

16A little while, and ye shall not see me: and again, a little while, and ye shall see me, because I go to the Father.

"But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me." John 15:26

In the King James version Holy Spirit is not mentioned.

Jesus said the comforter shall Glorify me

Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) is the only one who Glorifies and Testifies Jesus (PBUH)


Jesus PBUH said "I will send him when I leave"

Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) came after Jesus fullfilling these prophesies.
 

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