Gosh! I'm sorry for you all being in horrible jobs. I know the feeling pretty well. I've done some jobs which I hated in the past but no more. In one place, I walked out 2 hours after starting a new job! And I didn't even bother telling my employer
I would recommend to anyone, that if you can, go self-employed. Start your own business. If capital is an issue, start online where there are hardly any overhead costs. I know business is not for everyone. But if you are one of those people who want to be your own boss and never have to answer to anyone again, then give it some serious thought in starting one.
1) You have to clean up the mess did by your clients
2) Clients often lie and not telling the truth.. so when you lost the case they'll blame the lawyers for not making the courts believing in their stories..
3) I'm not a Sharia Court lawyer... so i dont think that the job i have right now is Islamic.
4) Those lazy clerks at courts, really give me headaches.
5) The worst thing of all, if I quit this job... I dont know what else should I be doing..
p/s: sorry, I "exploded" today because of a client... he said something else before, and now saying the other thing and expected everything to be settled quickly.
Does your client seeking for justice or seeking for winning ?.
Does your client asks 'a honestly advice' or asks 'a profesional advice' ?
Don't answer these questions because I know what's the answer.
I can understand if you were 'exploded' because you must defend a client who try to hide his/her fault, pretend as innocent, and urged you to do everything to get winning in this case.
I can understand if you want to quit from this job.
Okay, you can take a rest for while.
But, don't you know, brother ?, there are many innocent victims in court room. They are not guilty but because they don't know anything about law and they are poor and powerless, they oftenly become victims in law system.
Back to court room, brother. For defend them.
I am sure they have no money and you can't get a payment from them. But, Insha Allah, If you defend them, you will get your payment in another place, when the day has comes.
People say "there is no lawyer in Jannah". That's right, there is no lawyer in Jannah, but there are many 'defender of justice' in Jannah. I am sure, you know what is difference between law and justice.
For help those people, you can work alone or you can join in NGO. In Indonesia this is 'Yayasan Lembaga Bantuan Hukum Indonesia'. But I don't know what is a name of NGO like this in Malaysia.
And about making money, you can establish 'Kedai nasi north_malaysian' or 'north_malaysian motorcycle repair', or other business.
That is my advice. Please forgive me if I say some words that offend you.
North Malaysian if You dont want a Malay girl, so which You want? Indonesian, Thai (muslim) of course. Hope that its not too personal, but I have friends from SE Asia in my college and thats why I know these people a bit :P
This country is dying because of a lack of men, not a lack of programs.
I'm sorry upon hearing this. I can't imagine how hard to be a lawyer but that must be a burden to defend bad people if you are a criminal lawyer while it is against your principles. I personally think that maybe you can get Syariah certificate for civilians and it is not so costly to get that from selected institution. It's not so far from Law and just a bit shifting to other side which is in the boundary of Islam .
I had also experienced a year doing something that I don't really like before entering the varsity. I worked as a Chinese interpreter in Immigration Department and I saw the influx of prostitutes entering our country from China. I really hate seeing that while I have to help interpreting what the prostitutes are saying and sometimes have to defend them doing bad things, also helping illegal workers and the dealers who have their backbone from the ministry and taking the advantages from tourism industry.
They are protected by the ministry themselves and even the officers can't say anything because their hands were tied. Some of the Muslim Malay officers too are jealous to me because my salary is much higher than them while actually they've got many incentives and support from their employer while I was just a contract worker. They hope that my contract will be quickly terminated and trying to do many unpleasant things to me. I'm the only Muslim and Malay interpreter for Chinese there and others are non-Muslim Chinese interpreters. My intention there was just to help Muslim Chinese who want to perform pilgrimage to Mecca stranded in Kuala Lumpur International Airport, and actually I had met few Uighur people and getting the chance talking with them.
Now our PM is changing again and I don't really care what happened now. Politicians are sucks, I don't trust in them anymore while I only put my trust in Quran and Sunnah which means I only care to my muslim brothers and sisters! Luckily I was accepted to be a student in the varsity and I thank Allah for releasing me from that evil place.
Currently, I had just finished my study last April and it is almost 6 months I'm stranded at home waiting for job interviews and reading what my brothers and sisters posted in Islamic forum, at least I can learn many things from the forum . I'm thinking of doing business online too like some brothers and sisters suggested. Maybe we can promote Muslim products from around the world while now our people are facing persecution and we can't only boycotting their products while we don't have anything as a support for ourselves. Profit is not really what we want although it's not forbidden, but we just providing services to the Ummah .
I'm a paralegal here in america, and I concure, the legal field is a sole suck. One thing that lawyers (and their staff like me) do here is pro bono work - volunteering their services to help the poor or non profit organizations. Would there be a way that you could spend a few hours each week doing that?
we have those too, but it's hard for me to be involved there as I have to handle everything in the office...
format_quote Originally Posted by Scents of Jannah
Gosh! I'm sorry for you all being in horrible jobs. I know the feeling pretty well. I've done some jobs which I hated in the past but no more. In one place, I walked out 2 hours after starting a new job! And I didn't even bother telling my employer
I would recommend to anyone, that if you can, go self-employed. Start your own business. If capital is an issue, start online where there are hardly any overhead costs. I know business is not for everyone. But if you are one of those people who want to be your own boss and never have to answer to anyone again, then give it some serious thought in starting one.
I'm all for business ... but what should I be selling? any suggestions?
Does your client seeking for justice or seeking for winning ?.
Does your client asks 'a honestly advice' or asks 'a profesional advice' ?
Don't answer these questions because I know what's the answer.
yes... i bet i do know your answer
format_quote Originally Posted by ardianto
I can understand if you were 'exploded' because you must defend a client who try to hide his/her fault, pretend as innocent, and urged you to do everything to get winning in this case.
yes...
format_quote Originally Posted by ardianto
I can understand if you want to quit from this job.
Okay, you can take a rest for while.
i am thinking of doing that...
format_quote Originally Posted by ardianto
But, don't you know, brother ?, there are many innocent victims in court room. They are not guilty but because they don't know anything about law and they are poor and powerless, they oftenly become victims in law system.
I've met zillions of them... sued by my clients...
format_quote Originally Posted by ardianto
Back to court room, brother. For defend them.
I am sure they have no money and you can't get a payment from them. But, Insha Allah, If you defend them, you will get your payment in another place, when the day has comes.
But i need money too... maybe i should be in other professions but still offer advise for those poor people...
format_quote Originally Posted by ardianto
People say "there is no lawyer in Jannah". That's right, there is no lawyer in Jannah, but there are many 'defender of justice' in Jannah. I am sure, you know what is difference between law and justice.
I learnt something in the university... there is no right or wrong... it just like the other side of the coin...
format_quote Originally Posted by ardianto
For help those people, you can work alone or you can join in NGO. In Indonesia this is 'Yayasan Lembaga Bantuan Hukum Indonesia'. But I don't know what is a name of NGO like this in Malaysia.
we have Legal Aid under the Malaysian Bar Council... I usually advise poor people to go there...
format_quote Originally Posted by ardianto
And about making money, you can establish 'Kedai nasi north_malaysian' or 'north_malaysian motorcycle repair', or other business.
"Motorcycle Repair"? I dont know a thing about it.... dont blame me if those motorbikes explode
format_quote Originally Posted by ardianto
That is my advice. Please forgive me if I say some words that offend you.
No.. nothing wrong with these.. I am thankful... JazakAllah!!!
North Malaysian if You dont want a Malay girl, so which You want? Indonesian, Thai (muslim) of course. Hope that its not too personal, but I have friends from SE Asia in my college and thats why I know these people a bit :P
North Malaysian if You dont want a Malay girl, so which You want? Indonesian, Thai (muslim) of course. Hope that its not too personal, but I have friends from SE Asia in my college and thats why I know these people a bit :P
don't bother...he is being matched to too many girls already... :blind: .
If you don't believe me...just ask his sister
25:36 And the true servants of the Most Merciful are those who walk the earth with humility and when the ignorant address them, they respond with words of peace.
I'm sorry upon hearing this. I can't imagine how hard to be a lawyer but that must be a burden to defend bad people if you are a criminal lawyer while it is against your principles. I personally think that maybe you can get Syariah certificate for civilians and it is not so costly to get that from selected institution. It's not so far from Law and just a bit shifting to other side which is in the boundary of Islam .
i am not into criminal laws... just civil... Shariah certs? But how "Islamic" is our Shariah laws?
format_quote Originally Posted by malayloveislam
I had also experienced a year doing something that I don't really like before entering the varsity. I worked as a Chinese interpreter in Immigration Department and I saw the influx of prostitutes entering our country from China. I really hate seeing that while I have to help interpreting what the prostitutes are saying and sometimes have to defend them doing bad things, also helping illegal workers and the dealers who have their backbone from the ministry and taking the advantages from tourism industry.
They are protected by the ministry themselves and even the officers can't say anything because their hands were tied. Some of the Muslim Malay officers too are jealous to me because my salary is much higher than them while actually they've got many incentives and support from their employer while I was just a contract worker. They hope that my contract will be quickly terminated and trying to do many unpleasant things to me. I'm the only Muslim and Malay interpreter for Chinese there and others are non-Muslim Chinese interpreters. My intention there was just to help Muslim Chinese who want to perform pilgrimage to Mecca stranded in Kuala Lumpur International Airport, and actually I had met few Uighur people and getting the chance talking with them.
wow.. you're great.... I've seen lots of immigrants in courts without interpreters in their languages ie. Vietnamese and Nepali.
format_quote Originally Posted by malayloveislam
Now our PM is changing again and I don't really care what happened now. Politicians are sucks, I don't trust in them anymore while I only put my trust in Quran and Sunnah which means I only care to my muslim brothers and sisters! Luckily I was accepted to be a student in the varsity and I thank Allah for releasing me from that evil place.
ermm... university an "evil place"?
format_quote Originally Posted by malayloveislam
Currently, I had just finished my study last April and it is almost 6 months I'm stranded at home waiting for job interviews and reading what my brothers and sisters posted in Islamic forum, at least I can learn many things from the forum .
I waited 5 months before convocation ... because during the 9 months pupillage under a Master Lawyer it's hard to get a leave... (in Malaysia, you have to undergo a pupillage at a legal firm, under supervision of a master, who is a lawyer practising more than 7 years before being admitted as an advocate and solicitor under High Court of Malaya)
format_quote Originally Posted by malayloveislam
I'm thinking of doing business online too like some brothers and sisters suggested. Maybe we can promote Muslim products from around the world while now our people are facing persecution and we can't only boycotting their products while we don't have anything as a support for ourselves. Profit is not really what we want although it's not forbidden, but we just providing services to the Ummah .
Oh...I mean the department where I previously worked. I hate that place and I assume it as evil because I had to help dark industries escaped into our country.The time I received acceptance letter to study in the varsity is a relieve I love being a student there, I learn many things from my friends than in the lectures.
Oh...I mean the department where I previously worked. I hate that place and I assume it as evil because I had to help dark industries escaped into our country.The time I received acceptance letter to study in the varsity is a relieve I love being a student there, I learn many things from my friends than in the lectures.
i am not into criminal laws... just civil... Shariah certs? But how "Islamic" is our Shariah laws?
I guess our Syariah Law is just dwelling in matrimonial cases. Others only quarter being practiced and I'm so disappointed. I hope Muslims around the world awake and learn more about Syariah, it's not only a Law but our Way of Life. I took Syariah last time in my STPM (A-Level), although without a good grade, but at least I can grab some understanding about our religion .
I've seen lots of immigrants in courts without interpreters in their languages ie. Vietnamese and Nepali.
Yikes, Vietnamese is a difficult language. However an Urdu-Hindi speaker still can communicate with Nepali although with some difficulties.
I waited 5 months before convocation ... because during the 9 months pupillage under a Master Lawyer it's hard to get a leave... (in Malaysia, you have to undergo a pupillage at a legal firm, under supervision of a master, who is a lawyer practising more than 7 years before being admitted as an advocate and solicitor under High Court of Malaya)
Wow, that's tough! At least you have vast experience before working in the real world. I had learned the introduction to Law in our lecture and one of our lecturer is a Sikh lawyer. Even the introduction to the field is quite a headache, I still can't even imagine how hard lawyers have to deal with cases and their inner-selves voice. Luckily he's not so serious like a stereotypical lawyer we've seen before I learned Urdu-Punjabi from him too and he's quite a nice respecting others person.
I've heard that a lawyer too had been cast black magic by the clients because of dissatisfaction. That's cruel!!! Maybe you should also recite Ayatul-Kursi and al-Fatihah whenever and wherever you are seeking Allah's protection.
I guess our Syariah Law is just dwelling in matrimonial cases. Others only quarter being practiced and I'm so disappointed. I hope Muslims around the world awake and learn more about Syariah, it's not only a Law but our Way of Life. I took Syariah last time in my STPM (A-Level), although without a good grade, but at least I can grab some understanding about our religion .
not only on family matters... trust me.. there are clients asking to change the religion, or to mitigate (reducing) the sentence for them of adultery (zina) or close proximity (khalwat) offences etc. I just say that I have no jurisdiction in Shariah Courts...
format_quote Originally Posted by malayloveislam
Yikes, Vietnamese is a difficult language. However an Urdu-Hindi speaker still can communicate with Nepali although with some difficulties.
We dont have enough Urdu/Hindi translators too... usually only in Malay, Chinese Languages or Tamil. Retired people who can speak Tagalog, Vietnamese, Khmer, Bengali, Hindi etc should be allowed to be part-time translators at courts... poor immigrants...
format_quote Originally Posted by malayloveislam
Wow, that's tough! At least you have vast experience before working in the real world. I had learned the introduction to Law in our lecture and one of our lecturer is a Sikh lawyer. Even the introduction to the field is quite a headache, I still can't even imagine how hard lawyers have to deal with cases and their inner-selves voice. Luckily he's not so serious like a stereotypical lawyer we've seen before I learned Urdu-Punjabi from him too and he's quite a nice respecting others person.
No non-law students who learnt laws subjects said to me that learning the law is easy.
format_quote Originally Posted by malayloveislam
I've heard that a lawyer too had been cast black magic by the clients because of dissatisfaction. That's cruel!!! Maybe you should also recite Ayatul-Kursi and al-Fatihah whenever and wherever you are seeking Allah's protection.
A friend of mine, suspected of being casted black magic went to Islamic Alternative healer and the healer said that all doorsteps of all courts have black magic casted by bad people for the judges and lawyers...
I believe that black magic does exist but God is more powerful than anything... and I dont believe the witchdoctors (bomoh)...
...I'm not a Sharia Court lawyer... so i dont think that the job i have right now is Islamic.
If Malaysian laws do not contradict with Quran , then may be it's ok to continue the job ?? May be , you can start learing about Shariw law so that u can decide which case to handle or refuse.
May Allah make it easy for you , Ameen.
Christ will never be proud to reject to be a slave to God .....holy Quran, chapter Women , 4: 172
1) You have to clean up the mess did by your clients
2) Clients often lie and not telling the truth.. so when you lost the case they'll blame the lawyers for not making the courts believing in their stories..
3) I'm not a Sharia Court lawyer... so i dont think that the job i have right now is Islamic.
4) Those lazy clerks at courts, really give me headaches.
5) The worst thing of all, if I quit this job... I dont know what else should I be doing..
p/s: sorry, I "exploded" today because of a client... he said something else before, and now saying the other thing and expected everything to be settled quickly.
Don't worry/stress out!
Every job can be frustrating/annoying. Like I did working experience at a hospital and I hated the fact the kitchen was messy. I couldn't make myself some tea or coffee. >_> I had to put up with annoying, immature workers and I had to answer the phone and deal with annoying people. I even had to wait outside for like twenty minutes every time I enter the building. If I had to photocopy some work, it would be at the second floor and I was the fifth floor. I couldn't use the lift since it was used by the medical staff/patients and I had to walk back and forth to photo copy papers. Worst of all, I got lost in the building and I sometimes was stuck in certain parts of the hospitals, since my card to open doors would only work on certain doors. <_<
However during working experience, I always had something to laugh about. I guess when your in a frustrating situation, just remember something funny. I laugh a lot and that seems to ease my troubles....though some people thought I was weird laughing for no reason.
Same with college. I never understood anything about AS Statistics and I HATED probability and drawing tree diagrams. When I got fed up I just thought of something funny.
I'm sure there were times at your career where funny things happened. Like you must have met some funny clients...
Last edited by GuestFellow; 07-14-2009 at 07:32 PM.
I was looking at myself talking to myself and I realized this conversation...I was having with myself looking at myself was a conversation with myself that I needed to have with myself.
Hey there! Looks like you're enjoying the discussion, but you're not signed up for an account.
When you create an account, we remember exactly what you've read, so you always come right back where you left off. You also get notifications, here and via email, whenever new posts are made. And you can like posts and share your thoughts. Sign Up
Array
Why I am stress with this work:
.
.
.
Hide
Looks like you're enjoying the discussion, but you're not signed up for an account.
Posting Permissions
Quote
Bookmarks