There are only two Islamic countries or rather, majority Muslim countries that produces cars. Proton, Perodua (both Malaysian) and Etox(Turkish) [Please add any more if you know one)
Has anyone tried these cars before? I know that the Protons are get a lot of criticism especially people from their own country but I always wonder why they do there aren't that many Islamic car manufacturers around the world. I mean, imagine if there's a car that have a Qur'an Player you can play any Surah you want with selected reciters + Lectures from Scholars of Islam. How awesome would that be? and a Honk that sounds like 'Astaghfirullahalzim'.
I've never understood this strange obsession with having "Muslim versions" of things that are already being made well. A while ago we had some stupid ipad/tablet rip off being promoted because it happened to be made by Muslims... Usually these products are of much lower quality than the ones that are already out there, and they rely on gimmicks (like what I quoted you saying below) that can already be accomplished with existing products if one took the time to actually learn how to use them.
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I mean, imagine if there's a car that have a Qur'an Player you can play any Surah you want with selected reciters + Lectures from Scholars of Islam. How awesome would that be? and a Honk that sounds like 'Astaghfirullahalzim'.
Many cars can do this if you want them too. No need to make a low quality version exclusively for Muslims... You can hook up your mp3 player into a lot of newer models and play whatever you want.
Tyrion - it's about supporting our brothers and sisters and advancing,If my brother or cousin or friend opened a business I'd go the extra mile to buy from him and tell others and hand out business cards too,Go look at how the Jews do it and you'll probably get it......OR ..... Maybe even give this book a good read....
verse 200 of chapter 3. آل عمران in the Holy Quran?
Tyrion - it's about supporting our brothers and sisters and advancing,If my brother or cousin or friend opened a business I'd go the extra mile to buy from him and tell others and hand out business cards too,Go look at how the Jews do it and you'll probably get it......
Honestly, I think it's got more to do with quality. Most of these so called Muslim products are just poorly made imitations. A lot of them also use gimmicks, like Quran mp3 features, that to draw in Muslims who don't know any better. I don't think you need to settle for scams in order to support other Muslims. That being said, you're certainly free to buy whatever you want.
Also, I'm starting to get a bit more general with what I'm saying. Can't say if all of this applies to the OP's cars, since I don't know much about them in particular.
OR ..... Maybe even give this book a good read....
Hmm, implying that I've never read it? Stay classy, Abz.
I've never understood this strange obsession with having "Muslim versions" of things that are already being made well. A while ago we had some stupid ipad/tablet rip off being promoted because it happened to be made by Muslims... Usually these products are of much lower quality than the ones that are already out there, and they rely on gimmicks (like what I quoted you saying below) that can already be accomplished with existing products if one took the time to actually learn how to use them.
Many cars can do this if you want them too. No need to make a low quality version exclusively for Muslims... You can hook up your mp3 player into a lot of newer models and play whatever you want.
Sup, the point that I'm trying to make is wouldn't be better if Muslims somehow come together and make cars? I mean, we innovated one of the best things in the Dunya a few hundred years ago and our economy was very strong. Now look at us, we're struggling to compete with other nations. We have to rely on other non-Muslims countries in turn that it sometimes causes losses to our own economy without noticing, not saying that transaction with the non-Muslims are haram but we have to help our bros/sis in other parts of the world that are suffering poverty. Who else can help them besides us? The UN? Nah I don't think so..
Btw, not everyone has an 'mp3' player and not everyone knows how to use the internet you know. I mean if we could supply our bro/sis the cars with cheap prices then they won't have to waste their money on them. Besides, what if you had forgotten your mp3 in your house a few thousand miles away? You gonna go back to your house and get it? Oh I know why don't we buy two instead of one because that way I can listen toQur'an recitations both at my house and at the car.. yeah why not..
Please Make Dua' For Samiun..
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one of the reasons so many of us around the world speak english and are victim to the western (disbeliever) way of thinking is due to the fact that half the world was occupied and colonized - another is due to the copious amounts of infidel media we watch and read - a major factor contributing to this is the fact that an infidel discovered computing and much of the world is dependent on it - with english being the primary language used in computing.
if we want to change that status quo we sure need to encourage and support Muslims in inventing, manufacturing and distributing everything useful to mankind.
since coming to eastern asia i have noticed most of the kufr fashions, trends and even hairstyles (lol) generally being embraced and pushed by those who are victim to english language media programming - not to say there aren't others.
didn't know i was classy, thanks for letting me know - though i prefer to be real instead.
i can see the disdain you have for "so called muslim" efforts to make contributions, but i'll not go into that too much and leave you to deal with that disease.
Honestly, I think it's got more to do with quality. Most of these so called Muslim products are just poorly made imitations. A lot of them also use gimmicks, like Quran mp3 features, that to draw in Muslims who don't know any better. I don't think you need to settle for scams in order to support other Muslims. That being said, you're certainly free to buy whatever you want.
Scam is an illegal plan for making money. How do these products fit into the definition of a scam?
I see nothing wrong with buying these products. They may not be as good as some other brands, but as long as they are fit for purpose, then I don't see problem here. Besides, I doubt they will be expensive as other brands available. Not everyone as £££ $$$ to spend, especially now. =/
I was looking at myself talking to myself and I realized this conversation...I was having with myself looking at myself was a conversation with myself that I needed to have with myself.
one of the reasons so many of us around the world speak english and are victim to the western (disbeliever) way of thinking is due to the fact that half the world was occupied and colonized - another is due to the copious amounts of infidel media we watch and read - a major factor contributing to this is the fact that an infidel discovered computing and much of the world is dependent on it - with english being the primary language used in computing.
if we want to change that status quo we sure need to encourage and support Muslims in inventing, manufacturing and distributing everything useful to mankind.
since coming to eastern asia i have noticed most of the kufr fashions, trends and even hairstyles (lol) generally being embraced and pushed by those who are victim to english language media programming - not to say there aren't others.
didn't know i was classy, thanks for letting me know - though i prefer to be real instead.
i can see the disdain you have for "so called muslim" efforts to make contributions, but i'll not go into that too much and leave you to deal with that disease.
Muslims should support Muslims that are in business. These businesses need to grow and our culture needs to influence other businesses as well. Businesses influenced by western culture are harming this world. Businesses based on Islam will adopt an ethical approach to meeting the needs of society and protecting the environment.
I was looking at myself talking to myself and I realized this conversation...I was having with myself looking at myself was a conversation with myself that I needed to have with myself.
Hmm, implying that I've never read it? Stay classy, Abz.
It's always classy to remind our brothers and sisters in Islam to read the Quran. We should be reading it every day to familiarize ourselves with the words of Allah.
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Sup, the point that I'm trying to make is wouldn't be better if Muslims somehow come together and make cars? I mean, we innovated one of the best things in the Dunya a few hundred years ago and our economy was very strong. Now look at us, we're struggling to compete with other nations. We have to rely on other non-Muslims countries in turn that it sometimes causes losses to our own economy without noticing, not saying that transaction with the non-Muslims are haram but we have to help our bros/sis in other parts of the world that are suffering poverty. Who else can help them besides us? The UN? Nah I don't think so..
You are very right. I'm noticing this in my community here. We have a fairly small Jewish community here where I live but they've built amazing community centers for their children around here. Instead of having to go to places like the YMCA or commercial gyms, they can work out in their own Jewish establishments and hold conferences there instead of always paying someone else $10,000 to rent a room for a banquet. The Muslim community has nothing like this and often times brothers and sisters have to work out in places with the free mixing. And of course, most restaurants here in the U.S. don't exactly care about being halal. If Muslims were able to open more businesses that supported that lifestyle it would be great.
I think we should encourage more Muslim entrepreneurship with shariah compliant financing. Now is the time to do it with us being so low on the totem pole at this point and time in history. Time to move up.
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This is a clear message for mankind in order that they may be warned thereby, and that they may know that He is only One God, and that those of understanding may take heed (14:52)
Indeed Allah knows, and you know not (16: 74, part)
P2 Commando. Manufactured by PT Sentra Surya Ekajaya, Tangerang.
Okay, okay, they are military cars.
Indonesian peace keeping force in Eid day in Lebanon. Armored vehicles in the background are "Anoa". Manufactured by PT Pindad, Bandung. Have been exported to Brunei, Timor Leste, Malaysia (renamed as "Rimau" by Malaysian)
Now Indonesia is in developing its military Industries. Not only make infantry and artilery weapons, but also military ships, UAV (drone), and other military equipments, with principle "what we can make, we should make it.
KRI Clurit (PCR 40 Class). Manufactured by PT Pelindo Marine, Batam. Equipped with Chinese missile. One of dozens "made in Indonesia" military ships.
For air force. We will build (Insha Allah) our attack helicopter. And now we will start joint co-operation with South Korea to build fighter jets.
Why I post Indonesian military products here?. I'll explain it and I hope we can take a lesson from it.
Learn from a big mistake
Why Indonesia improve its military industries?. No, no, not to attack other countries. Indonesia is nation that love peace, but had a bitter experience.
In the past before 1965 Indonesia was closer to East Block and used many Soviet military equipment, and was strong. In 1966, Soeharto became Indonesian leader. We cut relationship with Communist block and turn into USA side. Then we switched our military equipment into Western made.
In 1975, USA and Australia urged Indonesia to take over Portuguese colony in eastern Timor. We sent our troops there, took over eastern Timor and made it became province of East Timor, a part of Indonesia.
1998, Indonesia suffered economic crisis that destroyed our economy. People launched reformation. Soeharto regime fell.
1999, East Timor released from Indonesia. It caused riot in East Timor, and it became a reason for USA to implement military embargo toward Indonesia.
Effect of this military embargo was reduce Indonesia military so much, especially Indonesia air force. We could not get spare part for our airplane. Unfortunately, we didn't have ability to make needed parts and didn't have money to buy military planes from other countries. Finally only four fighter (F16) that could still fly, and small number of ground attack jet. And in this situation Australia and USA flew their jet fighters over Indonesian air.
2004, lieutenant general SB Yudhoyono elected by people as Indonesian president through general election. He was trained in USA. 2005, USA decided to finish military embargo toward Indonesia. However, Indonesian govt decided to not again depend on USA military. And Indonesia started to improve military industries.
2009, president Yudhoyono elected again. And in 2012 ministry of defense issued a new rule, Indonesian military are not allowed to buy from other countries for equipment that have been produced in Indonesia. And if the equipment that they need have not produced in Indonesia, they can buy from other countries but they should make sure the foreign manufacturer will transfer their technologies. This to make Indonesia military able to build the needed part if USA and West launched military embargo again.
Yah, we have learn from a big mistake and we have realize what would happen if a nation depend on USA and West in military.
Of course, as a nation that love peace, Indonesia also will produce civilian products.
Prototype of PIEV (Pindad Electric Vehicle) by Pindad Army Industry.
Indonesia govt start to serious to develop electric vehicle industries, and its infrastructure support.
EVINA (Electric Vehicle Indonesia). Designed by Dasep Ahmadi. Insha Allah will be produced in mid of 2013.
RAVI by Great Asia Link, Gresik. Will be in mass production too, Insha Allah. The company owner maybe is not Muslim, but it's okay, product doesn't have religion.
Gang Car, by Dirgantara Indonesia (airplane manufacturer)
Electric bus by LIPI (Indonesian science institute)
My mum drove a Proton for years. It wasn't exactly a flashy car, but I don't remember having problems with it. I just asked her if she would recommend it and she said it was reliable and great value for money. I'm happy to learn it was made in a Muslim country.
Most of these so called Muslim products are just poorly made imitations
Products that labeled as "Muslim product" usually are poor in quality. And good products that made by Muslims usually are products that not labeled as "Muslim product".
The big mistake that made by Muslims who label their products as "Muslim product" is, they neglect the quality because they believe that they already have market among Muslims and believe that Muslims must be will buy their products. Different than Muslims who do not label their products as "Muslim product". They prepare themselves for competition in free market. So, they realy care about quality.
Products that labeled as "Muslim product" usually are poor in quality. And good products that made by Muslims usually are products that not labeled as "Muslim product".
The big mistake that made by Muslims who label their products as "Muslim product" is, they neglect the quality because they believe that they already have market among Muslims and believe that Muslims must be will buy their products. Different than Muslims who do not label their products as "Muslim product". They prepare themselves for competition in free market. So, they realy care about quality.
Right. This is partly why I dislike the whole "support Muslim products/makers" thing. We should support GOOD products. If Muslims want to join in, they should focus on making quality products instead of marketing things as "Muslim" to trick a few insecure Muslims into buying their stuff.
Products that labeled as "Muslim product" usually are poor in quality. And good products that made by Muslims usually are products that not labeled as "Muslim product".
The big mistake that made by Muslims who label their products as "Muslim product" is, they neglect the quality because they believe that they already have market among Muslims and believe that Muslims must be will buy their products. Different than Muslims who do not label their products as "Muslim product". They prepare themselves for competition in free market. So, they realy care about quality.
I have to agree with this, products have to be of good quality if they are going to stand a chance in the international marketplace.
Having said that ‘solidarity’ is important, (obviously because it’s a central part of our faith) one of the reasons Muslim nations have declined is when it comes to industry and technology we’ve fallen behind. Perhaps by supporting these products will in time lead to the production of better quality products hence lead to proper development and independence of Muslim nations instead of relying on ‘benevolence’ from aid agencies or even worse, Western powers.
I ever bought honey that labeled as "Muslim product". It shows hadith in its label, and a message that "if you buy this product, you help Muslim's business. Frankly, I felt disappointed because its quality is lower than other honey which mostly of other honey brands are produced by Muslims too but not labeled as "Muslim product".
In another side there are "products for Muslims" such as digital Qur'an or Qur'an cellphones. I noticed in their ads, there's no message like "buy it! it's Muslim's product". What they said just "why this product is suitable for Muslims". And their qualities are good.
Honey is a product that can be consumed by everyone, not only by Muslims. Labeling product like this as "Muslim product" is something that unnecessary. Even it can give boomerang effect because non-Muslim will thinking that this product is not for them. It's make its market being smaller.
On the topic of cars, I don't personally have experience with "Muslim" made cars but, as long as they stand by their products and provide warranties and whatever typical perks dealers offer, I don't see what the problem is. You can always go pay a fortune for a BMW and when it breaks down (yes they do break down), you'll end up spending another fortune trying to get it fixed.
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Salaam
I have to agree with this, products have to be of good quality if they are going to stand a chance in the international marketplace.
Having said that ‘solidarity’ is important, (obviously because it’s a central part of our faith) one of the reasons Muslim nations have declined is when it comes to industry and technology we’ve fallen behind. Perhaps by supporting these products will in time lead to the production of better quality products hence lead to proper development and independence of Muslim nations instead of relying on ‘benevolence’ from aid agencies or even worse, Western powers.
Not necessarily. Look at China made products. Usually when something breaks, someone jokingly says "it must be from China" and chances are they're right yet, people will still go after these products because of their cost.
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