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    In the name of Allah, the Compassionate, the Merciful.
    I found this line above
    http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/032.qmt.html site.

    I have a question regarding this.
    If Allah is compassionate and merciful then
    why He puts His best creatures human being to sufferings?

    please let me know.
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    Peace my dear.....

    when you love someone you will bear all the sufferings my dear ???

    Allah loves to test his servants to see that true servant refuge to him asking him for his mercy to give that servant more and more than mercy...

    you won`t take with out giving and Allah doing this to his servants to make them give more and more then he will reward them with something more than the suffering he put them in...see Allah is The Most Compassionate The Most Mercifull my dear...

    he won`t give you if you did not do the good deeds or left the bad deeds so,Allah is pushing his servants to turn to him to give them more and more....

    I wish you will understand what I meant my dear....

    may Allah guide you and reward you with paradise....

    Ameeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeen

    peace...

    your sister with all my respect:

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    Re: questions about islam

    format_quote Originally Posted by chinmoy View Post
    In the name of Allah, the Compassionate, the Merciful.
    I found this line above
    http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/032.qmt.html site.

    I have a question regarding this.
    If Allah is compassionate and merciful then
    why He puts His best creatures human being to sufferings?

    please let me know.
    Peace be upon those who follow the guidance,

    i've seen some of your posts and i have my doubts on whether or not you have one single sincere question regarding Islam.

    that being said, you don't' "FIND this line" ANYWHERE as it perhaps one of the 3 MOST repeated lines in Islam IF NOT THE VERY MOST! EVERY Surah, but one, begins with it and EVERYTHING we do BEGINS with it!

    why don't you take a moment to tell us why you suddenly interested in anything but propagating whatever it is you have substituted for worshiping Allah, Subhannahu Wa Ta' Aala.

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    1) He puts us through tests. If we are not tested, we learn nothing.
    2) Yes He does put us through trials and tribulations but one should never forget the wonderful gifts he gives us, namely life. True appreciation of these gifts is shown via total submission to God aka Islam.
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    Re: questions about islam

    This particular question is related to the problem of evil which has already been discussed here.
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    format_quote Originally Posted by aamirsaab View Post

    1) He puts us through tests. If we are not tested, we learn nothing.
    2) Yes He does put us through trials and tribulations but one should never forget the wonderful gifts he gives us, namely life. True appreciation of these gifts is shown via total submission to God aka Islam.
    He puts us through tests. If we are not tested, we learn nothing.

    -- test must be equal. its common sense. we dont require any religous knowlege. I am sure Almightly God knows that!

    but one should never forget the wonderful gifts he gives us, namely life

    ask the person in the image whether life is beautiful is or not. u will get
    your anser. its easy to say life is beautiful sitting in air conditionar room.
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    Note: brothers its not possible to argue with everyone here. it will simple
    waste time and energy. if its possible to arugue with most accepted person
    in this forum then i will argue. otherwise "many man many minds" will hapen
    and we will distract naturally from the topic. please let me know if it is possible.

    if this is possible then pls let me know then i will discuss learned person only.
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    Re: questions about islam

    format_quote Originally Posted by chinmoy View Post

    Note: brothers its not possible to argue with everyone here. it will simple
    waste time and energy. if its possible to arugue with most accepted person
    in this forum then i will argue. otherwise "many man many minds" will hapen
    and we will distract naturally from the topic. please let me know if it is possible.

    if this is possible then pls let me know then i will discuss learned person only.
    "take me to your leader".
    hmmmm... i do not think we have a Most Accepted Person or a Big Chief of Muslims here, so probably we don't have anyone worthy of your time and energy.
    bye.
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    Re: questions about islam

    format_quote Originally Posted by chinmoy View Post
    In the name of Allah, the Compassionate, the Merciful.
    I found this line above
    http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/032.qmt.html site.

    I have a question regarding this.
    If Allah is compassionate and merciful then
    why He puts His best creatures human being to sufferings?

    please let me know.

    Why God put his best creature to sufferings?
    If humans face no suffering..they'll forget God.

    For example, if you are healthy... do you have the time to remember God? Not really, because you want to fill most of your time doing so many things.

    And suddenly you've got a fever.... then you remember God as you want him to end your fever.

    the longer you endure the suffering.. the more you remember God...the more you remember God... the more God remember you and love you.

    A suffering person got lots of merits than a healthy and well-to-do person, as long as that suffering person remembers God.
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    format_quote Originally Posted by chinmoy View Post
    He puts us through tests. If we are not tested, we learn nothing.

    -- test must be equal. its common sense. we dont require any religous knowlege. I am sure Almightly God knows that!
    Common sense of a human being is flawed/biased like you put it so many times Chinmoy.
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    format_quote Originally Posted by Nerd View Post
    Common sense of a human being is flawed/biased like you put it so many times Chinmoy.
    again jugglery of words and tricky way avoiding questions!
    you know that human beings also include whom ...(not need to mention otherwise my post will be deleted) :laugh:

    But i m not gonna again to that dispute.
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    format_quote Originally Posted by chinmoy View Post
    He puts us through tests. If we are not tested, we learn nothing.

    -- test must be equal. its common sense. we dont require any religous knowlege. I am sure Almightly God knows that!
    Incorrect; we are not all tested for the same things nor is it done at the same time. A young child, say 3 years old, will have far different tests to someone who is being say married or going for a job interview. Some tests overalp but not all.

    but one should never forget the wonderful gifts he gives us, namely life

    ask the person in the image whether life is beautiful is or not. u will get
    your anser. its easy to say life is beautiful sitting in air conditionar room.
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    1) perhaps that person in the picture is a form of test to us. Or rather a reminder as to why we should be grateful for the great life we have.
    2) Do you have any younger siblings? Have you not smiled alongside them and wish that their life is not wasted?
    3) Life is a gift - it really doesn't take long to understand that. As a religious person yourself, surely you should know this. Unless of course your religion doesn't teach you the value of life, which'd mean it's ''incomplete'' - to quote you.

    We don't do one on ones here. It's a discussion forum and all are welcome - no discrimination
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    format_quote Originally Posted by chinmoy View Post
    again jugglery of words and tricky way avoiding questions!
    you know that human beings also include whom ...(not need to mention otherwise my post will be deleted) :laugh:

    But i m not gonna again to that dispute.
    I wasn't answering your question, but rather commenting on what you have stated.
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    I thought I'd add something which I haven't seen,

    It has been narrated:

    Abu Sa`id and Abu Hurairah (May Allah be pleased with him) reported that the Prophet (PBUH) said:

    "Never a believer is stricken with a discomfort, an illness, an anxiety, a grief or mental worry or even the pricking of a thorn but Allah will expiate his sins on account of his patience".[Al-Bukhari and Muslim].

    Also,

    {The most miserable man in the world of those meant for Paradise will be dipped once in Paradise. Then he will be asked, “Son of Adam, did you ever face any misery? Did you ever experience any hardship?” So he will say, “No, by God, O Lord! I never faced any misery, and I never experienced any hardship.”}Narrated in Saheeh Muslim, #2807

    The tests mankind goes through, insha'Allah, will be rewarded if mankind deals with the test in an appropiate manner. We should also remember that, Allah burdens not a person beyond his scope.2:286

    And Almighty God knows best.
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    1. Why a child is after birth dead or dead in mothers womb?
    2. why a child is blind by birth?
    3. why a child is perfectly aliright by birth?
    4. why a child by birth have mental disorder?

    there are many examples..

    So why God will make injustice to them?
    Why God will make Discrimination to His best Creatures?

    My quesion is What is The Cause of that? I am reapeating What is the Cause of above quesions(1,2,3,4)?


    Al Habeshi wrote:
    Never a believer is stricken with a discomfort, an illness, an anxiety...

    -- incorrect.
    because a child is not matured.newly born baby dont know good or bad.then what to speak
    of belive or disbelive?


    I never faced any misery, and I never experienced any hardship.

    -- incorrect
    after getting sufferings if one said that o i never faced any sufferings! he is telling lie to God!

    Rather its natural he will quesion to God why you put me in sufferings and why not others?

    aamirsaab wrote:
    perhaps that person in the picture is a form of test to us.

    -- incorrect.
    if it is, then why you are not chosen by Allah in the form of a test-case or guinea pig?

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    There is a simple answer to all your questions. It is a test. If we have patience and pass it Allaah will reward us with Jannah InshaaAllaah. If we fail and turn away from Allaah, we will go to hell. It's that simple.
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    format_quote Originally Posted by chinmoy View Post
    So why God will make injustice to them?
    Give me your understanding of Injustice.

    format_quote Originally Posted by chinmoy View Post
    Al Habeshi wrote:
    Never a believer is stricken with a discomfort, an illness, an anxiety...

    -- incorrect.
    because a child is not matured.newly born baby dont know good or bad.then what to speak
    of belive or disbelive?
    The text is speaking about a believer, so even if as you say a child cannot be a believer, if this was the case then all this shows is that the particular text is not talking about it.

    I quoted the text to show that a believer, when tested is rewarded for his pain, sorrow ect. A baby is considered pure and will be in paradise if they die pure, that is a reward!

    format_quote Originally Posted by chinmoy View Post

    I never faced any misery, and I never experienced any hardship.

    -- incorrect
    after getting sufferings if one said that o i never faced any sufferings! he is telling lie to God!
    I do not mean to be rude, but maybe english is not your first language, neither mine

    If you were to take the person's statement literally then maybe you could say the individual has not told the truth, i.e. he has had suffering before, but the point of the text is that, the reward for suffering that one has had before will be so much that the individual will feel as though he has never suffered!

    This is justice, this is a reward! To the point that, if you want to ask as you do about suffering, why does God allow to suffer, then KNOW, that God will reward his servant, the patient ones and believers, with such a reward that even the most miserable man will claim, out of his immense reward, that he has not suffered before!
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    format_quote Originally Posted by - Serene - View Post
    There is a simple answer to all your questions. It is a test. If we have patience and pass it Allaah will reward us with Jannah InshaaAllaah. If we fail and turn away from Allaah, we will go to hell. It's that simple.
    hahahahahaha! O dear! lol NO ANSWER! I KNOW THAT!


    If we have patience and pass it Allaah will reward us with Jannah InshaaAllaah. If we fail and turn away from Allaah,


    How a newly born blind baby are subject to pass and fail?
    hahahahaha! really i cant control my laughter.

    anway, pls dont waste time if you dont know.

    wating for others reply..
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    Check out this thread, read it all, and then ask whatever questions you still have. The same questions you have now are discussed in it. Else it will just be repetition.

    http://www.islamicboard.com/refutations/134265730-why-doesnt-god-stop-all-suffering-earth.html
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    format_quote Originally Posted by chinmoy View Post

    aamirsaab wrote:
    perhaps that person in the picture is a form of test to us.

    -- incorrect.
    if it is, then why you are not chosen by Allah in the form of a test-case or guinea pig?

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    Tests can come in different shapes and sizes and sometimes relate to more than one person e.g. Person A is going through a divorce with person B. Person C can learn from that test vicariously (i.e learning through other's experience). So in that pic you provided, the woman is most likely going through an ordeal, which is her test. My test could be; appreciate the life you have because there are others like the one pictured who live a less fortunate one.

    As the members have stated on this thread; life is essentially one huge test made up of loads of smaller tests.
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    format_quote Originally Posted by chinmoy View Post
    1. Why a child is after birth dead or dead in mothers womb?
    There are a number of causes of a stillbirth, such as Rhesus incompatibility, Congenital malformations etc. Its hard to pin-point one exact cause of still births.

    format_quote Originally Posted by chinmoy View Post
    2. why a child is blind by birth?
    Its because of their genetic make, you can try reading about Leber Congenital Amaurosis


    format_quote Originally Posted by chinmoy View Post
    3. why a child is perfectly aliright by birth?
    Could you define "perfectly aliright" please.



    format_quote Originally Posted by chinmoy View Post
    4. why a child by birth have mental disorder?
    There are many causes for mental retardation of a child at birth: known genetic condition such as Downs syndrome, Fetal Alcohol Syndrome etc.

    And there is a possibility that babies brain can be damaged due to oxygen deprivation during labor.


    format_quote Originally Posted by chinmoy View Post
    So why God will make injustice to them?
    At the end of the day, God will gather all human beings and reward or punish them according the deeds and sufferings they endured on earth in His path.

    But am curious, as to why you said that God would be unjust to Human beings. Were you informed of the change in plans by God?

    format_quote Originally Posted by chinmoy View Post
    Why God will make Discrimination to His best Creatures?
    Again curious as to how and when you were informed that God would make something called "discrimination" to His best creature?

    format_quote Originally Posted by chinmoy View Post
    My quesion is What is The Cause of that? I am reapeating What is the Cause of above quesions(1,2,3,4)?
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