“ He is created of both, the semen of the man and the semen of the woman. The man's semen is thick and forms the bones and the tendons. The woman's semen is fine and forms the flesh and blood.[49] „
Apparently it is quoted by a medieval Islamic scholar names Ibn Qayyim who wrote a book comparing Islamic embryology to Galens. This seems to be exactly what Galen says. But I have almost never heard anyone ever cite this hadith, not the people against Islamic embryology,certainly not the people for it either
The only thing that confuses me is that some of these hadiths are way out there or might even be metaphorical and yet I don't know how to interpret them.
What do you think?
Last edited by AntiKarateKid; 10-07-2008 at 02:39 PM.
Re: Should I accept this hadith? I can't find much reference to it anywhere
format_quote Originally Posted by AntiKarateKid
“ He is created of both, the semen of the man and the semen of the woman. The man's semen is thick and forms the bones and the tendons. The woman's semen is fine and forms the flesh and blood.[49] „
Apparently it is quoted by a medieval Islamic scholar names Ibn Qayyim who wrote a book comparing Islamic embryology to Galens. This seems to be exactly what Galen says. But I have almost never heard anyone ever cite this hadith, not the people against Islamic embryology,certainly not the people for it either
The only thing that confuses me is that some of these hadiths are way out there or might even be metaphorical and yet I don't know how to interpret them.
What do you think?
The Ahadeeth can be very difficult to understand. This is an area when in doubt seek the advice of a scholar. Alrhough some hadeeth are easily seen to be metaphors, it is probably best not to attempt to interpret any unless you are fluent in Arabic, have access to the actual hadeeth and are well versed in the science of hadeeth.
Re: Should I accept this hadith? I can't find much reference to it anywhere
format_quote Originally Posted by - Serene -
No I was serious. Too much questioning isn't good for your Imaan.
lol sis yeh it is
it how i quit my doubt...well actually i just made more questions from the answers u ppl gaave me, but after all that i finally were able to stop doubt
Re: Should I accept this hadith? I can't find much reference to it anywhere
So you guys figure I should just drop it? I assumed that if indeed this was authentic, it would have been quoted ALOT by anti-Islamic people, but apparently it inly is mentioned by a guy named Musallam who wrote a book on trying to compare Quran embryology with galens
Woodrow: You may be right. It seems like when translating into english, even a single word change or synonym changes the complete context of the hadith. I have seen like 3 different scientific explainations and oppositions for some hadiths. Yet the ones in the Quran are clear as day.
Serene: You may be right too, i'm stubborn so I stick to something that I dont understand it often makes me feel in over my head. ANy tips? Stick with the most obvious miracles? LOL, i think I can manage that.
Re: Should I accept this hadith? I can't find much reference to it anywhere
^ The shaytaan is the one who makes you question too much. We should stick within our limits, and only question what is necessary.
When the Prophet Muhammad Sallallahu Alayhi Wa Sallam told the sahaba that between the blowing of the trumpet there will be forty, they didn't ask 'forty years? forty months? forty days?' No. Dyou know why? Because they knew that knowledge would not benefit them in any way. [I heard this in a lecture, and no, I don't have the source with me right now]
Re: Should I accept this hadith? I can't find much reference to it anywhere
format_quote Originally Posted by AntiKarateKid
“ He is created of both, the semen of the man and the semen of the woman. The man's semen is thick and forms the bones and the tendons. The woman's semen is fine and forms the flesh and blood.[49] „
Apparently it is quoted by a medieval Islamic scholar names Ibn Qayyim who wrote a book comparing Islamic embryology to Galens. This seems to be exactly what Galen says. But I have almost never heard anyone ever cite this hadith, not the people against Islamic embryology,certainly not the people for it either
The only thing that confuses me is that some of these hadiths are way out there or might even be metaphorical and yet I don't know how to interpret them.
What do you think?
Assalamu Alaikum Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakatuh
Dear brother, it is very good that you ask questions to erase your doubts )Or confusions) some may say "Don't ask to much" but when you give them a hadith when Muhammad(saw) said that a day will be like 40 years, the Sahaba asked "should we pray 5 times that day?", these are things a human want to get clarified, there is nothing prohibited to ask except dumb things, and what you have asked isn't dumb!
As for your question, I have a Hadith searcher, I only have to type in some words and I will get the hadith in question, I did that, and didn't find the hadith!
Believe me, 18 000 hadiths and this hadith you quoted is NOT there!
It is probably a Weak hadith, thats probably why Muslim and Bukhari didnt include it....May Allah be pleased with them!
The Anti Muslims will give you weak hadiths to "Debunk" Islam, they are too desperate, you can not prove Islam wrong through a weak hadith, if indeed a weak hadith goes against Science, I am 100% sure allmost ALL Muslims would reject the hadith!
The point to note here, they have, and ALLWAYS will show us weak hadiths and bad interpretations of the Qur'an, I have gone through these alot, I have spent nights and days looking for answers and ALHAMDULILLAh I have found my answers, when Allah wants you to understand, YOU WILL understand!
Allah said "I will not change the condition of a man until he changes his heart" something like that (Not completly sure about the wording)
As for the other hadith they quoted in the same article (In Wiki) here is the response:
Brother, don't worry, Qur'an is the biggest miracle on our earth today, but the Kafiroon will allways deny it and say "Aah come on you see what you want to see" as if 1,6 billion people are blind!
Dont let them shake your faith in Allah, please contact me if you have any questions, I will debunk them all, May Allah bless you dear brother! ameen
Re: Should I accept this hadith? I can't find much reference to it anywhere
format_quote Originally Posted by AntiKarateKid
“ He is created of both, the semen of the man and the semen of the woman. The man's semen is thick and forms the bones and the tendons. The woman's semen is fine and forms the flesh and blood.[49] „
Apparently it is quoted by a medieval Islamic scholar names Ibn Qayyim who wrote a book comparing Islamic embryology to Galens. This seems to be exactly what Galen says. But I have almost never heard anyone ever cite this hadith, not the people against Islamic embryology,certainly not the people for it either
The only thing that confuses me is that some of these hadiths are way out there or might even be metaphorical and yet I don't know how to interpret them.
What do you think?
Salam.
I would really stay away from wikipedia because any ordinary person such as yourself or I can edit articles and write whatever we wish to.. As to those types of hadiths, if you can find them in the books to make sure that it isnt fabricated, then I would ask a scholar.. You can visit some fatwas sites such as islamicity.com but they really don't respond because they're busy or you just might not have th eopportunity to ask because of time differences.. Otherwise, I wouldn't let that get in the way of my faith because there are certain hadiths which don't make sense to us. For example, it has been said that there will be a time when men will find out about the affairs of their homes from their hips.. Looking at that one would think.. What? come again? lol.. this can be interpreted as people having cellular phones as a resuilt of technology and being able to speak to family and find out about what's going on from day to day.. Anyway, I hope this helped somehow.. Wa alaikum as salam.
Re: Should I accept this hadith? I can't find much reference to it anywhere
format_quote Originally Posted by Follower
If I were a muslim I wouldn't try to understand or accept any hadith they are no more then a story written by man about a man.
that's a pretty good description on the "current" gospels!
dontcha think?
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Re: Should I accept this hadith? I can't find much reference to it anywhere
That Hadits is not Shahih, check whether there is a Mudallis in the isnad or whether it is Munqathi' or Maqthu' or Mu'dhal, or maybe there is a weak memory narator in there or there is a contradictory between the Rawi with more trustworthy narrator on the same Hadits.
Re: Should I accept this hadith? I can't find much reference to it anywhere
Brothers and sisters, one of the biggest reasons I know that this is not even sahih is because, if that were true, why arent the kuffars flaunting it in our faces?
I have read many debates about Islam and science and not once, not even a single time, has this hadith even been brought up by the kuffars.
Re: Should I accept this hadith? I can't find much reference to it anywhere
^ To me, that seems quite a weak point. I wouldn't go and use it as one of the reasons it isn't sahih. Do the scholars use such a reason to say what is sahih and what not? No. Have you asked an scholar regarding this, or simply continued researching by yourself?
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.... They create new leaders.
Re: Should I accept this hadith? I can't find much reference to it anywhere
format_quote Originally Posted by AntiKarateKid
“ He is created of both, the semen of the man and the semen of the woman. The man's semen is thick and forms the bones and the tendons. The woman's semen is fine and forms the flesh and blood.[49] „
Apparently it is quoted by a medieval Islamic scholar names Ibn Qayyim who wrote a book comparing Islamic embryology to Galens. This seems to be exactly what Galen says. But I have almost never heard anyone ever cite this hadith, not the people against Islamic embryology,certainly not the people for it either
The only thing that confuses me is that some of these hadiths are way out there or might even be metaphorical and yet I don't know how to interpret them.
What do you think?
Salam bro..
I suggest you don't worry about it.. That "hadith" was quoted from a book, according to the footnotes on the link u provided. The only hadith I've found similar tothat is the following: Book 003, Number 0613:
It is reported on the authority of 'A'isha that a woman came to the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) and inquired: Should a woman wash herself when she sees a sexual dream and sees (the marks) of liquid? He (the Holy Prophet) said: Yes. 'A'isha said to her: May your hand be covered with dust and injured. She narrated: The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: Leave her alone. In what way does the child resemble her but for the fact that when the genes contributed by woman prevail upon those of man, the child resembles the maternal family, and when the genes of man prevail upon those of woman the child resembles the paternal family.
This, however, mentions nothing about the woman's "semen" lol. Just disregard it.. If I find out what the aforementioned means, I'll be sure to post it up.
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Al-Baqara verse 263 (2:263)
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