Men must keep beards

Correction:

Surah Noor ayat #52 He says: It is those who obey Allah and His Messenger, and fear Allah and do right, that will win in the end (24:52).

yeah I know brother, they say whatever fits their agenda, like hijab too, most girls say you don't have to. lol they obviously haven't read the Quran..

Yes i know it is must but I started 2 days ago.

at least you started brother.. so did my father and uncle.. most others still don't care and say "I don't have to if I don't want to".. That's fine, it's between u and your God lol. Not my problem nor is it any of my business. They can do whatever they want as long as the truth is out.

inshallah i am planning to keep a beard ...ameen

Inshallah. I will pray to Allah s.w.t. that he gives all men the strength and iman that will allow them to grow beards, even though most people consider it unfashionable. I hope that nobody will give in to these idealogies and sacrifice their religious beliefs for the temporary ideals of this world. Ameen.

I really want to grow a beard but unfortunately the place where i work ,we have all been told to come to office with our beards shaved to look neat and presentable .
There is nothing we can do.

format_quote Originally Posted by Confused0122

I have always heard that having a beard is sunnah for men.. That is true. However, men don't consider it fard because nothing is stated abuot a beard in the Quran.. Regardless, it is mandatory because there are a few ayats in the Quran about how men must follow the path/sunnah of the Prophet Muhammad s.a.w. In Surah An-Nesa’, (verse 80), He says: "He who obeys the messenger (Muhammad), has in indeed obeyed Allah." Also, in Surah Noor ayat #52 He says: It is such as obey Allah and His Messenger, and fear Allah and do right, that will win in the end (24:52).
Therefore, it's obviously mandatory for us to do as the Prophet Muhammad s.a.w. did, from his daily life to even the different ways he prayed.. He kept a beard, and for this reason, other men should too..

Examples: Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam) said: "I have no connection with one who shaves, shouts and tears his clothing eg. in grief or affication."
- Reported by Abu Darda (R.A.) in Muslim, Hadith no. 501

(6) Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam)said: "Act contrary to the polythesists, trim closely the moustache and grow the beard."
- Reported by Ibn Umar (R.A.) in Muslim, Hadith no. 500

The minimum length for the beard is fist length.. The reason I'm bringing this up because we recently had a debate about this controversial topic at home so I'm sure that many others are also under the impression that it is sunnah (which it is!), but you still have to do it as it has been commanded by Allah s.w.t. that we do as his Messenger did.

Should a Muslim man also dye his hair black, give it some curls, and wear only cloths made only from materials avaliable in Muhammad's time? The first Hadith seems to be with regards to expression of grief. By your logic I think one would also be forbidden to ever shout or tear their clothing in any respect. I would be sinning now as I'm wearing a shirt with the sleavs cut off (work out shirt). The second seems to be directed towards the aim of distinguishing oneself from non believers, not the bead in itself.

I don't know. I don't know enough about Hadith or Islam for my oppinion to carry any weight. Just my two cents.

format_quote Originally Posted by Malaikah

Also the first hadith clearly says tearing ones clothes in times of grief, i.e. tearing it out of anguish.

Right, but all three were in the context of one's actions in response to grief. She was not arguing that the Hadith in question forbade certain expressions of grief, but forbade the shaving of beards in general. But by that logic it is also forbidden to shout or tear one's clothing in general.


That's just how I read it

Anyway my main point in my post is that I don't understand imitating Muhammad. I mean to what extent must a Muslim imitate his behavior. Certainly not in all respects. I mean even in the Qur'an he is given a special dispensation to marry more than four wives I believe. Like how do Muslims demarcate what aspects of Muhammad's life they must imitate and what they do not?

format_quote Originally Posted by wth1257

Right, but all three were in the context of one's actions in response to grief. She was not arguing that the Hadith in question forbade certain expressions of grief, but forbade the shaving of beards in general. But by that logic it is also forbidden to shout or tear one's clothing in general.


That's just how I read it

Anyway my main point in my post is that I don't understand imitating Muhammad. I mean to what extent must a Muslim imitate his behavior. Certainly not in all respects. I mean even in the Qur'an he is given a special dispensation to marry more than four wives I believe. Like how do Muslims demarcate what aspects of Muhammad's life they must imitate and what they do not?

You imitate what you can. If you're commanded to have a beard like women must wear hijab, then you do it. Nobody said that men should have multiple wives because the prophet s.a.w. did. It is clearly stated in the Quran to marry two, three, or four, but if you fear that you can't be just with them, then only one. The Quran, btw, is the only book that has placed a limit on the number of wives you can have. My point was just to clarify this issue for some people because it has been controversial in my household so I thought the same would apply to others.

And by shouting or tearing clothing, it doesn't mean short sleeved shirts, it's like those idiots on the news who rip their shirts and bang their heads against the ground when they're "mourning."

Jazak Allah, the other brother was picking on me lol..

format_quote Originally Posted by Confused0122

My point was just to clarify this issue for some people because it has been controversial in my household so I thought the same would apply to others.

Yeah, I’m sorry; I wasn’t trying to hijack your thread. I was trying to figure out the whole issue of imitating Muhammad and that’s how I go about figuring things out. I’ll start another thread on it.

Oh, it's alright brother. I thought you were trying to pick on what I said. lol. the reason people try to imitate Muhammad s.a.w. is because he was the one who was chosen by Allah, (we believe) and so he was the one who enlightened us and brought us the message of truth. For this reason, we respect him very much and try to be like him as much as we can. Furthermore, in the Quran there are verses saying that you must follow the Prophet s.a.w. and whatever he did.. With that being said, we find it obligatory for us to assimilate it into our daily lives.. I hope that clears it up a little.. =)

Btw, are you interested in religions, even though you are Agnostic?