Islam Treats Muslims and Non Muslims alike. Fact or Myth? (OP)
Following is the reply of Dr. Zakir Naik when asked-Why Building of Temples and Churches, and Propagating Other Religions, is Prohibited in Saudi Arabia?
Q. Why is building of temples and churches and the propagation of any religion other than Islam not allowed in Islamic countries like Saudi Arabia?
A. 1. Example of selecting a Maths teacher:
Suppose you are a principal of a school and you have to select a Mathematics teacher. It is obvious that you will interview the candidates. If one teacher says that 2 + 2 = 3, the other says 2 + 2 = 4 and the third says 2 + 2 = 5 whom will you select? Since you know mathematics is logical, you will never select or allow a person to teach mathematics who doesn’t even know the basics of arithmetic that 2 + 2 = 4.
2. Where religion is concerned Muslims are experts:
Similarly in the field of religion, Muslims are the best and Qur’an clearly mentions in Surah Ale Imran, Chapter 3, verse 19 (3:19):
“The Religion before Allah is Islam (submission to His will)”. [Al-Qur’an 3:19]
It is further mentioned In Surah Ale Imran Chapter 3, verse 85 (3:85)
“If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter he will be in the ranks of those who have lost (All spiritual good).” [Al-Qur’an 3:85]
3. No other religious scripture claims that its religion alone is true.
There is no other religious scripture on the face of the earth besides the Qur’an which says that only its religion is true, correct and acceptable to Almighty God, and that all the other religions are false and hence not acceptable to Almighty God.
If you are a school principal who knows Maths, you will never allow a person to teach Maths in your school who does not know Maths. Similarly Muslims, who are experts in the field of religion and know that Islam is the only true religion, will not allow anyone in the country of Saudi Arabia to preach any other religion besides Islam. Muslims also know that what the true concept of Almighty God i.e. Allah (SWT) is, and thus we will not permit anyone to build, in the country of Saudi Arabia, a place of worship where they worship anyone besides Allah (swt).
And Allah Knows Best.
So does it mean that ppls of other religion have a valid reason to fear the propogation of Islam? Because when Islam will spread, good maths teachers will increase, and they wont allow other religions to be practised. Isnt it depressing for a practicing hindu/christian/sikh and so on?
Why? As long as their views aren't criminal, people deserve respect whatever they believe. We live in a divided world, and views like yours will only increase that division.
Allah calls me things that I find much more insulting than that throughout the Qur'an.
I say what I think. You are welcome to draw your own conclusions.
Peace
Say what you think then.
Just don't cry when Allah and his messengers say what they think about you.
Re: Islam Treats Muslims and Non Muslims alike. Fact or Myth?
format_quote Originally Posted by KashifB
I'm not doubting you brother but I'd like to know what you're basing this on.
Any hadith or ayat.
I suck at finding justification for certain things. I'm not a fan of fatwas...but yeah, this took my attention also and I was doing a little search. I found somethings on the topic and I've cropped a bit out of this website I've linked below. It basically quotes:
Last edited by Alpha Dude; 02-08-2009 at 09:34 AM.
Reason: sorry sis, but that link is to an anti-islamic site
"'Cause I hear the whispered words
In your masterpiece beautiful
You speak the unspeakable through
I love you too"
More specifically, this part:
[To those against whom war is made, permission is given (to fight), because they are wronged;- and verily, Allah is most powerful for their aid;- (They are) those who have been expelled from their homes in defiance of right,- (for no cause) except that they say, "our Lord is Allah". Did not Allah check one set of people by means of another, there would surely have been pulled down monasteries, churches, synagogues, and mosques, in which the name of Allah is commemorated in abundant measure. Allah will certainly aid those who aid his (cause);- for verily Allah is full of Strength, Exalted in Might, (able to enforce His Will).] (Al-Hajj 22: 39-40)
Not sure about you guys/gals, but in light of that (and sevgi's post) I'd count destroying places of worship as a sin.
Someone said to the Prophet, "Pray to God against the idolaters and curse them." The Prophet replied, "I have been sent to show mercy and have not been sent to curse." (Muslim)
Re: Islam Treats Muslims and Non Muslims alike. Fact or Myth?
No I cannot defend their actions since destroying places of worship is a sin Islam.
As far as I heard from Shaykh Anwar Al Awlaki. The non muslims are not allowed to build place of worship in Muslim land. The only place of worship that are allowed were the ones that were build before Islam came.
we have memories of erstwhile Islamic state of Afganistan demolishing Bamiyaan Buddha.
Idol worship is not allowed in Islam. Therefore, it is not permissble for the idols to placed on public property. If idols are placed on public property they can be taken down.
Re: Islam Treats Muslims and Non Muslims alike. Fact or Myth?
No brother, I know for sure that Islam doesnt encourage any such system which could look so intolrable towards other religion where one cant even practice his or her religion. And neither I assume that they are representative of Islam or shariyah. But likes of Dr. Zakir Naik show this notion to the world. And his muslim audience cheer him too.
Re: Islam Treats Muslims and Non Muslims alike. Fact or Myth?
Greetings,
format_quote Originally Posted by Questfortruth
Idol worship is not allowed in Islam. Therefore, it is not permissble for the idols to placed on public property. If idols are placed on public property they can be taken down.
The destruction of the Bamiyan Buddhas shocked the world, not just Buddhists.
They were "placed on public property" (or built) during the sixth century, before Islam even existed. Destroying them made the Taliban look incredibly malicious and paranoid.
Re: Islam Treats Muslims and Non Muslims alike. Fact or Myth?
format_quote Originally Posted by sevgi
Salams
Fearing an Islamic state in today's societal makeup is validated utterly by some of the machinations of Saudi Arabia. Whilst their dealings do not appear fair let alone appealing to most of us from the West, we must understand that the standards set by SA are not indicative of what Islam as a way of life is.
The destruction of religious centres of non-Islamic foundation is wrong in every sense. The prevention of the building of such places of worship may seem like a bad thing, but it is totally understandable. I wouldn't call it fair though.
I say this because the prevention of the building of such places is seen here in the west too. We see Islamic school and mosque proposals being knocked back by all levels of parliment here in Australia. I mean, we sit down and have a cry about it not being fair. What is not fair in the west against Islam cannot be fair for the non-muslims in SA.
WS.
This may seem unreasonable to western liberial muslims. But the reality is non muslims are not allowed to build their place of worship in Muslim land. The muslims have to go to non muslim land and do dawah, but if any aspect of Islam is being prevented by the state muslims are to wage Jihad. The reason I am not politically correcting my answers is because the non muslims always end up learning the truth and wonder why the muslims lied to them.
Islam was send to eliminate all the false religions and false gods and to promote the worship of Allah and follow his choosen religion.
Re: Islam Treats Muslims and Non Muslims alike. Fact or Myth?
format_quote Originally Posted by czgibson
Greetings,
The destruction of the Bamiyan Buddhas shocked the world, not just Buddhists.
They were "placed on public property" (or built) during the sixth century, before Islam even existed. Destroying them made the Taliban look incredibly malicious and paranoid.
Peace
HMMMM! RIGHT
Do you want to hear the truth or should I actively promote rubbish so you be pleased? Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessing of allah be upon him) destroyed the idols placed in Kaaba.
Last edited by Questfortruth; 02-13-2009 at 10:59 PM.
Re: Islam Treats Muslims and Non Muslims alike. Fact or Myth?
Greetings,
format_quote Originally Posted by Questfortruth
HMMMM! RIGHT
Do you want to hear the truth or should I actively promote rubbish so you be pleased? Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessing of allah be upon him) destroyed the idols placed in Kaaba.
Maybe the time has come for a little less destruction? What do you think?
Re: Islam Treats Muslims and Non Muslims alike. Fact or Myth?
format_quote Originally Posted by czgibson
Greetings,
Maybe the time has come for a little less destruction? What do you think?
Peace
Subhan'Allah concerned more about destruction of idols that cannot talk or feel pain. Yet ignores the mass murder of women and children around the world. Let us start by stop killing innocent men, women, and children. Don't worry about the idols they dont bleed.
Re: Islam Treats Muslims and Non Muslims alike. Fact or Myth?
Greetings,
format_quote Originally Posted by Questfortruth
Subhan'Allah concerned more about destruction of idols that cannot talk or feel pain. Yet ignores the mass murder of women and children around the world. Let us start by stop killing innocent men, women, and children. Don't worry about the idols they dont bleed.
Re: Islam Treats Muslims and Non Muslims alike. Fact or Myth?
format_quote Originally Posted by Questfortruth
Prove it show the video
What U want me to prove? U have doubt that Dr. Naik doesnt justify Saudi Arabia's intolrance towards other religions and their not letting any other religion to be practiced? Plz read the first post of this thread and then get back to me. Or U have doubts that Muslim crowd doesnt applaud him for his answers?
Re: Islam Treats Muslims and Non Muslims alike. Fact or Myth?
format_quote Originally Posted by Questfortruth
If you follow along in the thread we were clearly talking about the Idols.
Brother U need to follow this thread properly, U will discover that WE are discussing about placesof worship belonging to other religions, that were destroyed by muslims, idols too are worshipped/revered by some existing religions.
Re: Islam Treats Muslims and Non Muslims alike. Fact or Myth?
format_quote Originally Posted by justahumane
What U want me to prove? U have doubt that Dr. Naik doesnt justify Saudi Arabia's intolrance towards other religions and their not letting any other religion to be practiced? Plz read the first post of this thread and then get back to me. Or U have doubts that Muslim crowd doesnt applaud him for his answers?
Re: Islam Treats Muslims and Non Muslims alike. Fact or Myth?
format_quote Originally Posted by justahumane
Brother U need to follow this thread properly, U will discover that WE are discussing about placesof worship belonging to other religions, that were destroyed by muslims, idols too are worshipped/revered by some existing religions.
No, you need to follow the thread properly. I was clearly having a conversation with czgibson about Idols.
Re: Islam Treats Muslims and Non Muslims alike. Fact or Myth?
format_quote Originally Posted by Questfortruth
Just show me the video you are talking about.
I think the following You Tube clip is what the OP was refering to. In it Dr. Naik speaks largely in Urdu. But it is sub-titled in English. The most amazing logic Dr. Naik advances is that 2 + 2 = 4, therefore Quran alone is right!
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