Islam Treats Muslims and Non Muslims alike. Fact or Myth?

**justahumane** · 02-06-2009

Following is the reply of Dr. Zakir Naik when asked-Why Building of Temples and Churches, and Propagating Other Religions, is Prohibited in Saudi Arabia?

Q. Why is building of temples and churches and the propagation of any religion other than Islam not allowed in Islamic countries like Saudi Arabia?

A. 1. Example of selecting a Maths teacher:

Suppose you are a principal of a school and you have to select a Mathematics teacher. It is obvious that you will interview the candidates. If one teacher says that 2 + 2 = 3, the other says 2 + 2 = 4 and the third says 2 + 2 = 5 whom will you select? Since you know mathematics is logical, you will never select or allow a person to teach mathematics who doesn’t even know the basics of arithmetic that 2 + 2 = 4.

2. Where religion is concerned Muslims are experts:

Similarly in the field of religion, Muslims are the best and Qur’an clearly mentions in Surah Ale Imran, Chapter 3, verse 19 (3:19):

“The Religion before Allah is Islam (submission to His will)”. [Al-Qur’an 3:19]

It is further mentioned In Surah Ale Imran Chapter 3, verse 85 (3:85)

“If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter he will be in the ranks of those who have lost (All spiritual good).” [Al-Qur’an 3:85]

3. No other religious scripture claims that its religion alone is true.

There is no other religious scripture on the face of the earth besides the Qur’an which says that only its religion is true, correct and acceptable to Almighty God, and that all the other religions are false and hence not acceptable to Almighty God.

If you are a school principal who knows Maths, you will never allow a person to teach Maths in your school who does not know Maths. Similarly Muslims, who are experts in the field of religion and know that Islam is the only true religion, will not allow anyone in the country of Saudi Arabia to preach any other religion besides Islam. Muslims also know that what the true concept of Almighty God i.e. Allah (SWT) is, and thus we will not permit anyone to build, in the country of Saudi Arabia, a place of worship where they worship anyone besides Allah (swt).

And Allah Knows Best.

So does it mean that ppls of other religion have a valid reason to fear the propogation of Islam? Because when Islam will spread, good maths teachers will increase, and they wont allow other religions to be practised. Isnt it depressing for a practicing hindu/christian/sikh and so on?

**justahumane** · 02-15-2009

Originally Posted by Questfortruth

No, you need to follow the thread properly. I was clearly having a conversation with czgibson about Idols.

Well Okay brother, I have followed this thread again and found that this thread is not about ur conversation with someone about idols but intolrance of Saudi Arabia towards other religion and that too in the name of Islam and its about Dr. Zakir Naik's rediculous justification of their unislamic act.

And there is a genuine question raised in the light of Saudi Arabia's act. For ur convinience I m quoting that question again.

So does it mean that ppls of other religion have a valid reason to fear the propogation of Islam? Because when Islam will spread, good maths teachers will increase, and they wont allow other religions to be practised. Isnt it depressing for a practicing hindu/christian/sikh and so on?

Plz contribute a thought.

Thanks.

**Questfortruth** · 02-15-2009

Originally Posted by K.Venugopal

I think the following You Tube clip is what the OP was refering to. In it Dr. Naik speaks largely in Urdu. But it is sub-titled in English. The most amazing logic Dr. Naik advances is that 2 + 2 = 4, therefore Quran alone is right!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plyS8sIUjmQ

Makes complete sense to me. Where are the audience cheering him on?

**Questfortruth** · 02-15-2009

So does it mean that ppls of other religion have a valid reason to fear the propogation of Islam? Because when Islam will spread, good maths teachers will increase, and they wont allow other religions to be practised. Isnt it depressing for a practicing hindu/christian/sikh and so on?

Falsehood always feared truth because they are both the opposite. Whats wrong with increase of good math teachers? If I correct a person because they make a mistake should they not be happy then depressed?

**justahumane** · 02-16-2009

Originally Posted by Questfortruth

Falsehood always feared truth because they are both the opposite. Whats wrong with increase of good math teachers? If I correct a person because they make a mistake should they not be happy then depressed?

Brother destruction is always done by ppls who fear falsehood. If U are on right path than ALLAH is with U and U need not hurt someone's religious sentiments by destroying his or her place of worship, in order to please ALLAH. And there is nothing wrong with increase of good maths teachers, unless they dont start destroying churches, synogogues, temples ect. Do U think that Islam permits this act of religious intolrance? I dare U to respond.

And plz note my reply to my own question. No I dont think that Islam permits U to destroy places of worship. Coz they say that Islam is religion of Universal Brotherhood. U may differ with it. And the most stupid wont do any such act in the name of Islam, pchychopaths excluded.

And brother, Gorge Bush thougt while attacking Islamic countries that he is going to correct them, Janjaweeds think that they are correcting Darfurians, When hindu fanatics brought down Babri Mosque, they too had same feelings,Russians did that in Afganistan and still doing this in Chechanya, and above all Crusaders too thought in the same line. I cant give U the full list right now of such ppls but U know where it ends.

So again my question, do U think that Islam permits any such act U are justifying? Will U answer?

**K.Venugopal** · 02-16-2009

Originally Posted by justahumane

... Islam is religion of Universal Brotherhood.

Islam does not believe in universal brotherhood. It only believes in the brotherhood of believers.

**K.Venugopal** · 02-16-2009

Originally Posted by justahumane

...I dont think that Islam permits U to destroy places of worship.

Unfortunately, that is exactly what Mohammad did when he destroyed the idols of Mecca and later on Baber did when he destroyed the Ram Temple in Ayodhya and the Taliban did when they destroyed the Bamiyan statues.

**Questfortruth** · 02-16-2009

Originally Posted by justahumane

Brother destruction is always done by ppls who fear falsehood. If U are on right path than ALLAH is with U and U need not hurt someone's religious sentiments by destroying his or her place of worship, in order to please ALLAH. And there is nothing wrong with increase of good maths teachers, unless they dont start destroying churches, synogogues, temples ect. Do U think that Islam permits this act of religious intolrance? I dare U to respond.

And plz note my reply to my own question. No I dont think that Islam permits U to destroy places of worship. Coz they say that Islam is religion of Universal Brotherhood. U may differ with it. And the most stupid wont do any such act in the name of Islam, pchychopaths excluded.

And brother, Gorge Bush thougt while attacking Islamic countries that he is going to correct them, Janjaweeds think that they are correcting Darfurians, When hindu fanatics brought down Babri Mosque, they too had same feelings,Russians did that in Afganistan and still doing this in Chechanya, and above all Crusaders too thought in the same line. I cant give U the full list right now of such ppls but U know where it ends.

So again my question, do U think that Islam permits any such act U are justifying? Will U answer?

Allah is with the believers and victory is for believers. Like I said Non muslims worship areas that were created before Islam came are allowed to be kept. But after Islam took over non muslims were not allowed to build their worship place anymore. They can practice their religion inside their home but not outside.

**czgibson** · 02-16-2009

Greetings,

Originally Posted by Questfortruth

Allah is with the believers and victory is for believers. Like I said Non muslims worship areas that were created before Islam came are allowed to be kept. But after Islam took over non muslims were not allowed to build their worship place anymore. They can practice their religion inside their home but not outside.

But like I said earlier, the Bamyian Buddhas were built before Islam existed, so what possible justification could the Taliban have had for destroying them?

Peace

**aamirsaab** · 02-16-2009

Originally Posted by czgibson

Greetings,

But like I said earlier, the Bamyian Buddhas were built before Islam existed, so what possible justification could the Taliban have had for destroying them?

Peace

Were these the same statues that were refurbished by the US? If they were, I've already answered your question in another thread.

**Argamemnon** · 02-16-2009

I disagree with Zakir Naik. If there are Christians, or people of other faiths in Muslim lands, they have every right to practice their religion, as long as they are not harming others. I have never liked Zakir Naik. He is a radical Islamist. I interpret Islam very differently than these people, I choose to ignore such people.

**Questfortruth** · 02-17-2009

Originally Posted by Argamemnon

I disagree with Zakir Naik. If there are Christians, or people of other faiths in Muslim lands, they have every right to practice their religion, as long as they are not harming others. I have never liked Zakir Naik. He is a radical Islamist. I interpret Islam very differently than these people, I choose to ignore such people.

Ah! Here we go "Rant Muslim" calling a good scholar extremist to please the disbelievers. Non muslims have right to pratice their faith no one disagrees but cannot preach it.

**Questfortruth** · 02-17-2009

Originally Posted by czgibson

Greetings,

But like I said earlier, the Bamyian Buddhas were built before Islam existed, so what possible justification could the Taliban have had for destroying them?

Peace

Place of worship and idols are two different things. Worship should be done inside not outside. The idols were on public view they are allowed to the destroyed.

**Questfortruth** · 02-17-2009

Originally Posted by czgibson

Greetings,

But like I said earlier, the Bamyian Buddhas were built before Islam existed, so what possible justification could the Taliban have had for destroying them?

Peace

Place of worship and idols are two different things. Worship should be done inside not outside. The idols were on public view they are allowed to the destroyed.

**Argamemnon** · 02-17-2009

Originally Posted by Questfortruth

Ah! Here we go "Rant Muslim" calling a good scholar extremist to please the disbelievers. Non muslims have right to pratice their faith no one disagrees but cannot preach it.

I'm not pleasing anyone, it's my opinion. That man is worthless in my eyes. I don't have to agree with you, or any other Muslim, understood? Grow up.

**AntiKarateKid** · 02-17-2009

Originally Posted by Argamemnon

I'm not pleasing anyone, it's my opinion. That man is worthless in my eyes. I don't have to agree with you, or any other Muslim, understood? Grow up.

Lets not speak without ilm.

First prove that what he says is unIslamic then make accusations against a fellow Muslim brother.

It may just be me, but calling a brother in Islam "worthless," especially someone who has successfully defended Islam in so many debates, jsut because you disagree with his views is shameful.

Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) said :”Do you know what backbiting is?” They said, “God and His Messenger know best.” He then said, “It is to say something about your brother that he would dislike.” Someone asked him, “But what if what I say is true?” The Messenger of God said, “If what you say about him is true, you are backbiting him, but if it is not true then you have slandered him.” (Muslim)

**AntiKarateKid** · 02-17-2009

Originally Posted by K.Venugopal

Unfortunately, that is exactly what Mohammad did when he destroyed the idols of Mecca and later on Baber did when he destroyed the Ram Temple in Ayodhya and the Taliban did when they destroyed the Bamiyan statues.

Unfortunately?

The Meccans desecrated Abraham's place of worship with their false gods.

Thank goodness for people like the Prophet pbuh who have backbone enough to tell the disbelievers that they are wrong and show them why so that they may know too.

**Woodrow** · 02-17-2009

Originally Posted by BoredAgnostic

Those that do not have a problem with this, say the U.S. and other western countries developed into a Christian theocracy and wouldn't allow the building of Mosques or anything that would be perceived as proselytizing, would that be a just ruling?

It has happened in the past and happens today.

Try preaching Baptist doctrine in Vatican City. Try building a Mosque, that looks like a Mosque in Mexico. There are other examples, but at the moment those are the only two I can remember.

Now, has anybody criticized either Mexico or Vatican City? Even most of us Muslims accept it as being thier right.

**AntiKarateKid** · 02-17-2009

By the way, Prophet Muhammad pbuh allowed monks in Arabia to practice their religion and even gave them a charter which secured their religious freedom.

**Argamemnon** · 02-17-2009

Originally Posted by Woodrow

It has happened in the past and happens today.

Try preaching Baptist doctrine in Vatican City. Try building a Mosque, that looks like a Mosque in Mexico. There are other examples, but at the moment those are the only two I can remember.

Now, has anybody criticized either Mexico or Vatican City? Even most of us Muslims accept it as being thier right.

I don't accept it as being their "right". The Mexicans ought to be ashamed of themselves.

**AntiKarateKid** · 02-17-2009

I request the mods to close this thread.

It has run it's course and is now Muslims insulting each other and speaking about a matter which is best left to scholars with proper sources to back up their claims.

We are merely spewing conjecture on both sides.