Can you, as a Muslim, kill people for your family and the society's protection?
In the same sense, Can you kill children (1-13 years old) in order to directly send them to heaven? --in other words, sacrificing your afterlife future for the sake of those children's afterlife future? I hope my questions are clearly understood. Thank you.
.I've heard(from the mosque or someone very faithful) that there's this example of man who , when asked by Allah to transfer to Jannah after years of Hell, rejected Allah's offer and wished to remain in Hell. Isn't that strange?
This is what I meant by using your logic...what the hell??!! These next people saying a whole load of cr*p about Islam, and we believe it??!! How stupid do we have to be??!!
you don't believe there exists a man who would sacrifice his "everything" for others?
you don't believe there exists a man who would sacrifice his "everything" for others?
If there is a halal way to get a win-win situation for both that man and his 'everything', and that man ignores it to make some sort of 'sacrifice', he is an egotistical fool.
My apologies if I come across harshly. The opening question of the thread is a false dichotomy - we don't need to sacrifice our own chance of reward to preserve others'. Roughly speaking, in the context of children: Raise your kids properly, and not only will they inshallah be rewarded for their Islamic acts, but inshallah so will you for your patience and hard work in their upbringing.
If there is a halal way to get a win-win situation for both that man and his 'everything', and that man ignores it to make some sort of 'sacrifice', he is an egotistical fool.
IF there is a halal way to get a win-win situation that is. But you're right, I haven't considered that as a possibility..although from my experiences, there aren't many things w/o sacrifice.
My apologies if I come across harshly. The opening question of the thread is a false dichotomy - we don't need to sacrifice our own chance of reward to preserve others'.
No offense taken. I'm already well-aware of how "ludicrous" my ideas seem to people and I'm usually quite apologetic. So you don't agree that there are situations wherein you will have to sacrifice your own chance of reward?
IF there is a halal way to get a win-win situation that is. But you're right, I haven't considered that as a possibility..although from my experiences, there aren't many things w/o sacrifice.
No offense taken. I'm already well-aware of how "ludicrous" my ideas seem to people and I'm usually quite apologetic. So you don't agree that there are situations wherein you will have to sacrifice your own chance of reward?
I don't deny that certain situations require sacrifice. I deny that one of those situations is murdering a child (or murdering anyone else for that matter).
Someone said to the Prophet, "Pray to God against the idolaters and curse them." The Prophet replied, "I have been sent to show mercy and have not been sent to curse." (Muslim)
Someone said to the Prophet, "Pray to God against the idolaters and curse them." The Prophet replied, "I have been sent to show mercy and have not been sent to curse." (Muslim)
Someone said to the Prophet, "Pray to God against the idolaters and curse them." The Prophet replied, "I have been sent to show mercy and have not been sent to curse." (Muslim)
No, I'm definitely older. Tell me, "would you choose Allah or your son?"
Allah swt doesn't and wouldn't ask us to make such sacrifices.. you are not a prophet nor are you Abraham. Even prophets though tested first hand, also get to witness miracles first hand.. So if some voice is telling you to kill your kid or anyone, I suggest you call the emergency hotline and have them treat you in the hospital for paranoid schizophrenia or frank psychosis!
all the best
Text without context is pretext If your opponent is of choleric temperament, seek to irritate him
Allah swt doesn't and wouldn't ask us to make such sacrifices.. you are not a prophet nor are you Abraham. Even prophets though tested first hand, also get to witness miracles first hand.. So if some voice is telling you to kill your kid or anyone, I suggest you call the emergency hotline and have them treat you in the hospital for paranoid schizophrenia or frank psychosis!
all the best
Sorry, its not actually ME...I was just being hypothetical. Let me remind you again, there is in no way will I crazily slaughter children--i don't want to go to hell or serve as a "foolish" sacrifice or pretend as a "God" and determine others' lives.
And, once again, this topic is already resolved. The slaughter of children is not the "logical" way of helping others for if you look at the current trend of the speed of conversion to Islam, you'll see that more are being converted. Therefore, there is a higher possibility of children making others convert than doing the opposite.
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