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    The three revealed faiths sent down as a blessing by our Lord through true prophets and true scriptures, Islam and the uncorrupted, genuine forms of Christianity and Judaism, share many common beliefs. Although the Torah and the Injil were gradually corrupted over the course of time, the essence and moral values of the true faith are still to a large extent preserved in these books sent down from the Presence of Allah. These uncorrupted parts can clearly be seen when looked at using the Qur’an and the hadith as a guide. These three revealed faiths all believe in the absolute existence of Allah, that He is eternal, that He created the universe from nothing and that He rules all matter with His almighty power. Muslims, Christians and Jews also oppose the same intellectual errors. They share the same intellectual struggle against atheism, irreligion, racism, fascism and moral degeneration. All three faiths strive to preach the existence of Allah in the same way. Members of all three faiths aim for a world full of justice in which everyone will know Allah, sincerely believe in and submit to Him, and live in peace and tolerance. Members of all three faiths act out of a fear and love of Allah, follow in the path of His messengers and abide by His revelation.

    In essence, the members of these three faiths believe in and worship the same, one Allah. Our Almighty Lord has revealed His power and might, His creative artistry, His sublimity, that He is the Lord of the worlds, that He is All-Powerful and the sole Creator of all things in all three faiths. He is the Lord of the heavens and the earth and all things belong to Him, He knows all, is Almighty and is the Possessor of all. His might, sublime power and majesty pervade all things and all places. He is unfettered by any flaw or deficiency, though He is needed by all beings.

    Our Almighty Lord revealed His faith with the religion of the Prophet Abraham (peace be upon him):


    We revealed to you: “Follow the religion of Abraham, a man of pure natural belief. He was not one of the idolaters.” (Surat an-Nahl, 123)


    The word “haneef” means “someone who believes in and serves only Allah.” This is the attribute of the Prophet Abraham (pbuh) that is emphasized in the Qur’an as being “haneef,” for he believed in and submitted to Allah as the one and only. This devout servant of Allah distanced himself from his tribe's superstitious beliefs and turned solely to Him. He also called on his tribe to abandon their pagan beliefs and idolatry, and to believe in Allah.

    The true religion revealed by Allah to the Prophet Abraham (pbuh) was kept alive by other prophets from his line and by true believers. This is revealed in the Qur’an as follows:


    Who would deliberately renounce the religion of Abraham except someone who reveals himself to be a fool? We chose him in the world and in the Hereafter he will be one of the righteous. When his Lord said to him, “Become a Muslim!” he said, “I am a Muslim who has submitted to the Lord of all the worlds.” Abraham directed his sons to this, as did Jacob: “My sons! Allah has chosen this religion for you, so do not die except as Muslims.” Or were you present when death came to Jacob and he said to his sons, “What will you worship when I have gone?” They said, “We will worship your God, the God of your forefathers, Abraham, Ishmael and Isaac – one God. We are Muslims submitted to Him.” (Surat al-Baqara, 130-133)


    The Prophet Abraham's (pbuh) “haneef” religion is common to Muslims, Jews and Christians. He was a sincere prophet who believed in one God alone, Allah, who praised Him, and who served Him genuinely and with all his heart. Our Lord praises those who follow the pure faith of the Prophet Abraham (pbuh) in the Qur’an:


    Who could have a better religion than someone who submits himself completely to Allah and is a good-doer, and follows the religion of Abraham, a man of pure natural belief? Allah took Abraham as an intimate friend. (Surat an-Nisa’, 125)


    The pure faith of the Prophet Abraham (pbuh), whom Allah praised and sent as a guide for mankind, and the belief in the one Allah that forms the basis of that faith are common values shared by true faiths that were sent down later—Islam, Judaism and Christianity. Therefore, the members of all three faiths have a responsibility to worship Allah, the one Lord of all, He Whose All-Powerful might pervades all things and all places, the Creator of all things.

    This common value requires the members of all three revealed faiths to come together in a single monotheistic belief and to act together for a common purpose. People with true faith, who abide by the religion of the Prophet Abraham (pbuh) and believe in the one Allah must combine their strengths, grow deeper in faith and grow even stronger in unity in order to wage an intellectual struggle against the atheist, Darwinist system that is trying to rule the world. Rather than waging an artificial struggle against one another, they must be aware of the real danger, that is the atheistic, Darwinist system of the antichrist (dajjal), and must not ignore those forces that are striving to set believers against one another. They must act together to spread belief in Allah across the world and must preach the religion of the Prophet Abraham (pbuh) together. By Allah’s leave, that will lead to the greatest force that will totally eradicate the system of the antichrist that now rules the world and will cause atheism to collapse entirely.

    Almighty Allah will bestow a great reward from His Presence on those who genuinely strive in His name, who unite and praise monotheistic belief and who combine forces in order for belief in Allah to rule the world. And He will make His religion rule the world. By His leave, that powerful dominion will definitely come about in the time of the coming of the Prophet Jesus and Hazrat Mahdi (peace be upon them). That time is now imminent. The coming of Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh), as revealed in hadith by our Prophet (may Allah bless him and grant him peace) and in the statements by religious scholars, has already happened. Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh) is currently unrecognized, but he is among us. As for the second coming of the Prophet Jesus (pbuh), according to the information in the hadith, the indications in the verses of the Qur’an and statements by Islamic scholars, this will take place in the next 10 to 20 years. This will be the Golden Age, when the system of the antichrist is completely defeated and when well-being, peace, security, brotherhood, wealth and friendship rule the world entirely. In that time, belief in Allah will rule the world and people will live by the “haneef” faith of the Prophet Abraham (pbuh) in all its majesty and beauty. All believers have a duty to prepare for this age, when Muslims, Jews and Christians will live together as brothers under the leadership of the Prophet Jesus and Hazrat Mahdi (peace be upon them). For that reason, all believers in the world must seek to praise the name of Allah together, in feelings of love and brotherhood, and establish a fine and powerful union against irreligion.

    Belief in the One Allah Was Gradually Misinterpreted in Christianity

    ACCORDING TO THE TRUE INTERPRETATION OF THE INJIL, belief in Allah in Christianity is the same as that in Islam and Judaism. However, certain passages in the Injil have been interpreted differently from their genuine meanings, and certain descriptions and ideas stemming from a failure to properly appreciate the might of our Lord have entered Christian belief. That false belief is the error of the trinity.

    The error of the trinity adopts a false view of our Almighty Lord and is a totally mistaken and corrupt belief that ascribes divine status (surely Allah is beyond that) to the Prophet Jesus (pbuh), whom Allah sent to mankind as a prophet. Despite its many internal contradictions and anti-monotheistic nature, it assumed a very important place in Christian belief. So much so that someone who does not believe in the error of the trinity, therefore who does not believe that the Prophet Jesus (pbuh) is the son of Allah (surely Allah is beyond that) is not regarded as a true Christian by those who espouse trinitarian belief.

    Although the trinity is a false belief in total opposition to the monotheistic belief, the true one in the Presence of Allah, and preached by the Prophet Jesus (pbuh), and EVEN CONTRADICTS VARIOUS PASSAGES IN THE INJIL, it gradually came to be an obsession that Christians must never deny. History shows that those people and communities who rejected this erroneous belief and maintained that the Prophet Jesus (pbuh) was merely a human being and a prophet of Allah have been dealt with harshly. The evidence that such people produced from the Injil and the life of the Prophet Jesus (pbuh) was always ignored, and people were forbidden to discuss such matters. For that reason alone, the proponents of monotheistic belief were branded “infidels,” “heretics,” or “enemies of the faith” by the Christians in question, and those who supported them elicited the same reactions. Some were exiled for that very reason, and others were hanged or burnt alive by the Inquisition's courts within the history. Through this repression, BASED NOT ON THE INJIL BUT ON MISINTERPRETATIONS, the artificial belief in the trinity came to reign supreme through force and imposition and became a component of Christianity. Many sincere Christians, unaware of this policy of imposition, are still blindly devoted to belief in the trinity, imagining that they are abiding by the Injil. They are unaware of their error. They do not know this belief is a total contradiction of the belief in Allah revealed in the Qur’an, Torah and the Injil. This is a most grave error.

    One of the most noteworthy aspects of this subject is that TRINITARIAN BELIEF DOES NOT APPEAR IN THE BIBLE ITSELF. It appears neither in the Old Testament, the holy book of the Jews, nor in the Injil, the Christian holy text. Rather, it is based on misinterpretations of a few Injil passages, and the word itself was only used for the first time by Theophilus of Antioch at the end of the second century. Acceptance of the belief took place much later. Therefore, NO BELIEF THAT IS NOT PRESENT IN THE INJIL, AND WHICH WAS THUS UNKNOWN TO THE EARLY CHRISTIANS, CAN REPRESENT THE BASIS OF CHRISTIANITY. This is a grave error that came about after the Prophet Jesus (pbuh) and under the influence of the established Greek culture.

    The Prophet Jesus (pbuh) is completely unfettered by this false belief artificially developed in Christianity. Like all the prophets, the Prophet Jesus (pbuh) is a servant created by Allah. He is a sincere and noble prophet who worships Allah with all his heart and seeks to earn His approval. He is a chosen, honored messenger of high esteem (Surah Al ‘Imran, 45). Allah reveals the following about the Prophet Jesus (pbuh):


    The Messiah would never disdain to be a servant to Allah nor would the angels near to Him. If any do disdain to worship Him, and grow arrogant, He will in any case gather them all to Him. (Surat an-Nisa’, 172)


    As revealed in the verse, the Prophet Jesus (pbuh) is a very genuine human being eager to discharge the duty of being a servant to Allah and who has completely submitted to Him. All the statements made about his supposed claim to divinity are all nonsense produced subsequently. Our Lord has absolute sovereignty over all beings. APART FROM OUR LORD HIMSELF, EVERYTHING ELSE NEEDS HIM IN ORDER TO EXIST AND SURVIVE. The Prophet Jesus (pbuh) of course appreciated this reality and spent his life striving with all his heart to be the servant of Almighty Allah.

    In the verses of the Qur’an, Allah reveals that there is no other Deity but Him using very wise clarifications:


    Everyone in the heavens and the earth belongs to Him. Those in His Presence do not consider themselves too great to worship Him and do not grow tired of it. They glorify Him by night and day, without ever flagging. Or have they taken deities out of the earth who can bring the dead to life? If there had been any deities besides Allah in heaven or earth, they would both be ruined. Glory be to Allah, Lord of the Throne, beyond what they describe! He will not be questioned about what He does, but they will be questioned. Or have they taken other deities besides Him? Say: “Produce your proof! This is the message of those with me and the message of those before me.” But most of them do not know the truth, so they turn away. (Surat al-Anbiya’, 19-24)







    It Is Stated in the Injil that Allah Is One

    While the error of the trinity ascribes divine status (surely Allah is beyond that) to the Prophet Jesus (pbuh), the oneness of Allah and His infinite dominion over all things is set out in great detail in the Injil. People are called to monotheistic faith in both the message of the Prophet Jesus (pbuh) to his people and followers, and in the words of his disciples. In the Injil, THE PROPHET JESUS (pbuh) constantly makes it clear that EVERYTHING HE DOES IS THE RESULT OF ALLAH’S INFINITE POWER AND MIGHT, THAT IT IS ALLAH WHO CAUSES HIM TO SAY EVERYTHING HE SAYS, AND THAT HE PERFORMS THESE MIRACLES ONLY BECAUSE ALLAH WILLS THEM TO OCCUR. He also invites those who elevate him to elevate Allah instead, remember His infinite might, and submit to Him.

    Such statements by the Prophet Jesus (pbuh) calling people to belief in the one Allah are still to be found in the otherwise corrupted Gospels of the New Testament. For instance, according to the Gospel of Saint Mark, the Prophet Jesus (pbuh) gave the following reply to a Jew who asked him which commandment was the most important:


    "The most important one," answered Jesus, "is this: 'Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one. Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.”(Mark 12:29-30)


    The following passage again from the Gospel of Saint Mark shows that far from ascribing divine status to himself, the Prophet Jesus (pbuh) even prevented himself being praised:


    As Jesus started on his way, a man ran up to him and fell on his knees before him. "Good teacher," he asked, "what must I do to inherit eternal life?" "Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. “No one is good—except God alone.” (Mark 10:17-18)


    By refusing praise and emphasizing that only Allah is worthy of it, the Prophet Jesus (pbuh) makes it clear he is just a servant of Allah.

    Those who set up other deities together with Allah are called on to accept monotheism in many passages of the Injil. Some of these read as follows:


    … answered Jesus, "the Lord our God, the Lord is one”… "Well said, teacher," the man replied. "You are right in saying that God is One and there is no other but Him.” (Mark 12: 29-32)

    … God is one. (Galatians 3:20)

    And exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles. They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—Who is forever praised. ... (Romans 1:23-25)

    … for us there is but One God, from Whom all things came and for Whom we live... (1 Corinthians 8:6)

    We know that an idol is nothing at all in the world and that there is no God but One. (1 Corinthians 8:4)

    And the twenty-four elders, who were seated on their thrones before God, fell on their faces and worshiped God, saying: "We give thanks to You, Lord God Almighty, the One Who is and Who was, …” (Revelation 11:16-17)

    Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only God, be honor and glory for ever and ever. ... (1 Timothy, 1/17)

    For there is one God… (1 Timothy 2:5)

    You believe that there is One God. Good! … (James 2:19)

    … to the only God our Savior be glory ... (Jude:24)

    How can you believe if you accept praise from one another, yet make no effort to obtain the praise that comes from the only God? (John 5:44)

    For nothing is impossible with God. (Luke 1:37)


    It is also described in the Injil how the followers of the Prophet Jesus (pbuh) went from town to town and from village to village, preaching the word and calling on people to be Christians believing in Allah, the one and only:


    But when the apostles Barnabas and Paul heard of this, they tore their clothes and rushed out into the crowd, shouting: "Men, why are you doing this? We too are only men, human like you. We are bringing you good news, telling you to turn from these worthless things to ... God, Who made heaven and earth and sea and everything in them… He has shown kindness by giving you rain from heaven and crops in their seasons; He provides you with plenty of food and fills your hearts with joy."(Acts 14:14-17)

    "The God Who made the world and everything in it is the Lord of heaven and earth and does not live in temples built by hands. And He is not served by human hands, as if He needed anything, because He Himself gives all men life and breath and everything else. From one man He made every nation of men, that they should inhabit the whole earth; and He determined the times set for them and the exact places where they should live.God did this so that men would seek Him … though He is not far from each one of us. For in Him we live and move and have our being…” (Acts 17:24-28)

    The Prophet Jesus (pbuh) always praised the glory of Allah and said that all power belongs to Allah, in such passages as, “I do exactly what God has commanded me,” (John 14:31); "The words I say to you are not just my own,” (John 14:10) and "I tell you the truth, the apostle can do nothing by himself” (John 5:19).

    Some passages from the Injil that refer to the infinite might and power of Allah are as follows:

    For from Him and through Him and to Him are all things. To Him be the glory forever! ... (Romans 11:36)

    Are not five sparrows sold for two pennies? Yet not one of them is forgotten by God. Indeed, the very hairs of your head are all numbered…. (Luke 12:6-7)

    Jesus looked at them and said: "With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible."(Matthew 19:26)

    … Who is God over all, forever praised! (Romans 9:5)

    Oh, the depth of the riches of the wisdom and knowledge of God! (Romans 11:33)

    Fear [and respect] God and give Him glory, because the hour of His judgment has come. Worship Him Who made the heavens and earth, the sea and the springs of water. (Revelation 14:7)

    Great and marvellous are Your deeds, Lord God Almighty. Just and true are Your ways, King of the ages. Who will not fear [and respect] You, O Lord, and bring glory to Your name? For You alone are holy. All nations will come and worship before You, for Your righteous acts have been revealed. (Revelation 15:3-4)

    Everything comes from God. (1 Corinthians 11:12).

    Salvation and glory and power belong to our God, for true and just are His judgments… For our Lord God Almighty reigns. (Revelation 19:1-6)

    There is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. (Romans 13:1)

    …"As surely as I live," says the Lord, "every knee will bow before me; every tongue will confess to God."(Romans 14:11)

    … God, the blessed and only Ruler, the King of kings and Lord of lords, Who alone is immortal and Who lives in unapproachable light, Whom no one has seen or can see. To Him be honor and might forever. (1 Timothy 6:15-16)


    It is revealed in the Qur’an that the Prophet Jesus (pbuh) sought shelter in Allah from the claims of divinity that some people heretically made regarding him and CALLED ON PEOPLE TO BELIEVE IN THE ONE AND ONLY ALLAH:


    And when Allah says, ‘‘Jesus son of Mary! Did you say to people, “Take me and my mother as deities besides Allah?” he will say, “Glory be to You! It is not for me to say what I have no right to say! If I had said it, then You would have known it. You know what is in my self but I do not know what is in Your Self. You are the Knower of all unseen things. I said to them nothing but what You ordered me to say: ‘Worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord.’ I was a witness against them as long as I remained among them, but when You took me back to You, You were the One watching over them. You are Witness of all things. If You punish them, they are Your servants. If you forgive them, You are the Almighty, the All-Wise.” (Surat al-Ma'ida: 116-118)

    ... Tribe of Israel, worship Allah, your Lord and my Lord... (Surat al-Ma’ida, 72)


    The Injil clearly contains a great many true passages that praise our Almighty Lord as the one and only and that perfectly express His might and sublimity. The corrupt belief in the trinity, which was added on to Christianity subsequently, was developed many years after the Injil had been sent down and consists of an utterly false misconception.

    The essential point is of course this: even if someone who can properly appreciate the sublimity and greatness of Allah has no knowledge of the history of Christianity, his own conscience should still make him strongly doubt the idea of trinity. That is because this false belief fails to properly appreciate the might of Allah, and is an expression of a failure to recognize Allah and His sublimity. It is revealed in the Qur’an, sent down confirming the Injil and the Torah, that this erroneous belief spread among Christians is actually “polytheism” and sincere Christians are warned on the subject.


    They say, “Allah has a son.” Glory be to Him! No, everything in the heavens and earth belongs to Him. Everything is obedient to Him, the Originator of the heavens and earth. When He decides on something, He just says to it, “Be!” and it is. (Surat al-Baqara, 116-117)

    They say, “The All-Merciful has a son.” They have devised a monstrous thing. The heavens are all but rent apart and the earth split open and the mountains brought crashing down, at their ascription of a son to the All-Merciful. It is not fitting for the All-Merciful to have a son. There is no one in the heavens and earth who will not come to the All-Merciful as a servant. He has counted them and numbered them precisely. Each of them will come to Him on the Day of Rising all alone. (Surah Maryam, 88-95)


    Allah Is Praised As the One and Only God in the Torah

    The Judaism described in the Torah sent down to the Prophet Moses (pbuh) is a monotheistic faith, just like Islam. True Jews praise our Lord as the one and only God, genuinely believe that Allah is the Lord of all, that there is no other Creator but Him and that all beings are in need of Him.

    Almighty Allah is praised in the Old Testament and reverenced as the sole Possessor of power, strength and sublimity, the one and only God. Christians, who believe in the Old Testament as well as the New Testament must not ignore this fact:


    The Lord is God; besides Him there is no other… Acknowledge and take to heart this day that the Lord is God in heaven above and on Earth below. There is no other. (Deuteronomy 4:35-39)

    … Before Me no God was formed, nor will there be one after Me. I, even I, am the Lord, and apart from Me there is no savior... (Isaiah, 43:10-11)

    For this is what the Lord says—He Who created the heavens, He is God; He Who fashioned and made the earth, He founded it; He did not create it to be empty, but formed it to be inhabited—He says: "I am the Lord, and there is no other.” (Isaiah 45:18)

    And there is no God apart from Me, a righteous God and a Savior; there is none but Me. (Isaiah 45:21)

    ... The Lord our God, the Lord is one. Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength. (Deuteronomy 6:4-5)

    …I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like Me. (Isaiah 46:9)

    So that all the peoples of the earth may know that the Lord is God and that there is no other. (1 Kings, 8:60)

    This is what the Lord says: “ … Surely God is with you, and there is no other; there is no other God. "(Isaiah 45:14)

    The Lord our God, the Lord is one. (Deuteronomy 6:4)

    ... O Lord; no deeds can compare with Yours. All the nations You have made will come and worship before You, O Lord; they will bring glory to Your name. For You are great and do marvelous deeds; You alone are God. (Psalms 86:8-10)

    O Lord Almighty ... You alone are God over all the kingdoms of the earth. You have made heaven and earth. (Isaiah 37:16)

    … so that all kingdoms on earth may know that You alone, O Lord, are God. (Isaiah 37:20)

    This is what the Lord says—your Redeemer, Who formed you in the womb: I am the Lord, Who has made all things, Who alone stretched out the heavens, Who spread out the earth by Myself. (Isaiah, 44:24)

    Since ancient times no one has heard, no ear has perceived, no eye has seen any God besides You, who acts on behalf of those who wait for him. (Isaiah 64:4)

    … Was it not I, the Lord? And there is no God apart from Me, a righteous God and a Savior; there is none but Me. (Isaiah 45:21)

    "See now that I myself am He! There is no God besides Me. I put to death and I bring to life, I have wounded and I will heal… (Deuteronomy 32:39)

    “… so that you may know there is no one like the Lord our God." (Exodus 8:10)

    O Lord ... there is no God like You in heaven above or on earth below…. (1 Kings 8:23; 2 Chronicles 6:14)

    Then Asa called to the Lord his God and said, "Lord, there is no one like You to help the powerless against the mighty…” (2 Chronicles 14:11)


    You can access detailed explanations on the subject from here.

    True Believers in the One Allah Must Unite in Order to Spread the Glory of Our Almighty Lord

    Muslims, Christians and Jews are all believing descendants of the Prophet Abraham (pbuh) and they all believe in the same Allah, strive to spread the Sublime Glory of our Lord and eliminate irreligion from the world. At this time when atheism, degeneration, Darwinism, anarchy, oppression and war are so widespread, it is a great blessing and support from Allah that there are believers who believe in the one and only Allah and who eagerly strive to praise Him by adhering to the “haneef” faith of the Prophet Abraham (pbuh). At this blessed time, that of the coming of the Prophet Jesus and Hazrat Mahdi (peace be upon them), we must act befitting this blessing bestowed on us by our Almighty Lord and establish an intellectual union to praise His name. If true believers fall for the traps set by masonic Evangelicals or masonic Muslims and fall out with one another, if they strive against one another rather than against atheists and Darwinists, that could mean their failing to properly appreciate this blessing from Allah. Our Lord tells all believers to be united, and any efforts to disunite believers may hinder Allah’s bounty. Instead of bestowing blessings and victory, Allah may hold blessings back from believers because of this attitude. We must act in the knowledge of this and praise His faith with all our hearts. The most essential condition for this is not to be deceived by the snares of the masons, to find the truth by the use of conscience, reason and faith and to act accordingly.

    Almighty Allah is the Lord of all beings, and absolute power and victory belong to Him alone. Every effort to praise His name is an act of worship the believers need to draw closer to Him and gain Paradise. It is certain that Allah has the power to cause His religion to prevail without the need for any natural causes.

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    Re: Muslims, christians and jews believe in the same allah

    I know, it is a long article, but it is very important.You know that we live in the end times, and we are in the times of Hazrat Mahdi. Also, Jesus will come to the Earth in 15 years time . There will be a Islamic Union and there will be a Golden Age. All the people in the world will convert to Islam. We should announce this good news to the world.
    I recommend you to read that article above, I found it from www.harunyahya.com.
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    format_quote Originally Posted by islamunion View Post
    I know, it is a long article, but it is very important.You know that we live in the end times, and we are in the times of Hazrat Mahdi. Also, Jesus will come to the Earth in 15 years time . There will be a Islamic Union and there will be a Golden Age. All the people in the world will convert to Islam. We should announce this good news to the world.
    I recommend you to read that article above, I found it from www.harunyahya.com.
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    Bro harun yhaya has some good books but he has no proof for his claims of prophet Isa descending in 15 years and that imam mahdi is currently present
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