Prophet Muhammad(pbuh)'s smashing of 360 idols in Mecca

**Anam 27** · 05-01-2010

Hello everyone,

We had a Malay Chinese Buddhist Professor visit our University some days back, she returns to Malaysia tomorrow. She is a Professor of Religious studies at some University there, in a very short conversation with her, I realised that she has some negative opinions about Islam. She also has pretty unfavorable opinions about the Malay majority in her nation.On learning my family background, she remarked that one shouldn't marry Muslim men. I personally have nothing against marrying Muslim men, as it happens I am engaged to a non practicing Anglican, but I have dated Muslims as well, & still am friends with a couple of my past Muslim boyfriends, I also have very good Muslim friends, of both sexes.

She claimed that it was Prophet Muhammad(pbuh)'s destruction of the 360 idols around the kaaba which causes Muslims like the Taliban to destroy Bamiyan Buddhas.

Personally I have nothing against idolatry, I love some Catholic & Orthodox idols & images, they're beautiful to look at, even though I am no longer Christian, I love their beauty, like I love some beautiful mosques around the world. I also feel people's religious beliefs(or lack of beliefs) need to be respected.I would condemn the destruction of any idolatrous site anywhere on earth-be it Christian, Hindu, Buddhist or Neopagan, like I would condemn the destruction of mosques.

How do Muslims explain this incident, I am interested to know so that I can give the Muslim perspective.

**Supreme** · 05-10-2010

Originally Posted by aadil77

no they wouldcome with their idols and place them in the kaabah as part of a collection, I doubt they would go inside to worship thim

also I don't see why muslims would want to lie about destroying idols, you'd expect to people to accept anything that can show islam in a negative light

at the time there were three most famous idols uzza, laat and manat, you can read about them here if you're interested http://www.thaliatook.com/AMGG/al-uzza.html

So, what would be the point in using the Kaaba for idols if you weren't going to worship them?

I didn't say Muslims lied about the idols- I said that, as with an historic event that ever happened, the more details we know about it, the more reliable the event is.

Thank you for the link.

**aadil77** · 05-10-2010

Originally Posted by Supreme

So, what would be the point in using the Kaaba for idols if you weren't going to worship them?

I didn't say Muslims lied about the idols- I said that, as with an historic event that ever happened, the more details we know about it, the more reliable the event is.

Thank you for the link.

they probably did worship them there, I don't no much about the pagan arabs to be honest

but just to let you know I think the kaabah was like a showcase for the best idols, people from around arabia would come makkah to show off their idols on special festivals, I think afterwards they'd place them inside the kaabah

**DancesWithChair** · 05-11-2010

Originally Posted by Abam 27

...which causes Muslims like the Taliban to destroy Bamiyan Buddhas.

Muslims tell us that Muhammad (pbuh) said that the people were not permitted to make a statue of him. His concern is that they would worship the statue instead of worshipping god.

Its exactly the same with idols.

Originally Posted by aadil77

throughout the quran we are told of the torment for those who are idolaters and those who associate partners with Allah,

And so it is the Taliban destroyed the Bamiyan Buddhas because they are statues.

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**جوري** · 06-28-2010

Originally Posted by DancesWithChair

And so it is the Taliban destroyed the Bamiyan Buddhas because they are statues.

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They destroyed them because they needed aid for their dying children who are being killed round the clock in 'oops' moments by foreign invaders, but instead hyper-vigilant teams with funny agendas and some money come bringing 'aid' to restore useless statues in lieu of humanitarian efforts .. if the taliban wanted to destroy the statues before they would have.. a question should arise, why should statues that were there for a considerable period of time be destroyed that particular day and not before, once that question is answered perhaps, folks would whine less about statues and pay more attention to live human beings in need of restoration instead of faces carved out of stone. But I am pretty sure the 800+ afghani kids that have died so far are negligible in the face of a butter Buddha!

the OP is just a silly broad and there is no shortage of them.. they're imbued with distrust, hatred and western propagandist bull poop and fancy themselves so progressive!

**titus** · 06-28-2010

They destroyed them because they needed aid for their dying children

Umm, no.

How much aid did they get for destroying the statues? That's right - None.

So a group asks permission from the Taliban to fix up the statues. The Taliban says no, give the money to us for aid. The group says no, so you argue that gives the Taliban the right to destroy the statues? Seriously?

why should statues that were there for a considerable period of time be destroyed that particular day and not before

It actually took them a long time to destroy the statues. Weeks in fact. I wonder how many children they could have fed with the money they spent on the weapons and dynamite they used on the statues?

The truth is that the Taliban admitted, more than once, that they destroyed the statues because they were idols and felt it was their duty as good Muslims.

**titus** · 06-28-2010

From the perspective, whatever Taliban, the controlling authority,did was right. Even if these statues were historical monuments, too bad they were found in a country where the people do not attach historical significance to such filthy ugly idols.

Flawed logic.

Using that logic if I was in an area with hardly any Muslims it would be ok for me to throw a bunch of Qurans down the toilet? Or maybe make some cartoons about Muhammad?

**جوري** · 06-28-2010

Originally Posted by titus

Umm, no.

umm enroll in some course so you can write in proper terms?! or do you have some sort of a tick which we are to accommodate?

How much aid did they get for destroying the statues? That's right - None.

and the point being?

So a group asks permission from the Taliban to fix up the statues. The Taliban says no, give the money to us for aid. The group says no, so you argue that gives the Taliban the right to destroy the statues? Seriously?

Yeah seriously, it is their property and on their turf, they are allowed to do whatever the hell they please!

It actually took them a long time to destroy the statues. Weeks in fact. I wonder how many children they could have fed with the money they spent on the weapons and dynamite they used on the statues?

oh weeks is really phenomenal in the face of how long and why!
you should write a letter to your local politicians asking them to give up their weapons for wreaths of flowers and food for the young.. I am not sure why you are wasting your time here and much worse mine?

The truth is that the Taliban admitted, more than once, that they destroyed the statues because they were idols and felt it was their duty as good Muslims.

The Taliban have already stated their reasons for destroying the statues, feel free to listen to their interviews which were posted somewhere on this forum, before passing your micturate on yet another thread where you felt your pearls would be really appreciated!

**جوري** · 06-28-2010

Originally Posted by titus

Flawed logic.

Using that logic if I was in an area with hardly any Muslims it would be ok for me to throw a bunch of Qurans down the toilet? Or maybe make some cartoons about Muhammad?

Nothing in fact is prohibiting westerners and other like minded turds from doing exactly that under some ridiculous banner of 'freedom of speech' or whatever else, or are you a hypocrite? At least they had an actual reason to do it, what is the reason for drawing cartoons, passing falsehood and lies against Islam and disrespecting the Quran?

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funny guy!

**titus** · 06-28-2010

and the point being?

The point being that aid money had nothing to do with it. Destroying the statues did not help any children, so the Taliban's attempt to spin doctor the situation to claim it was is baloney.

Yeah seriously, it is their property and on their turf, they are allowed to do whatever the hell they please!

I don't think anyone claimed it was illegal. Yes, it was on their turf so they had the legal right to destroy them.

Now, when it comes to moral right I don't think so. The statues were doing no harm whatsoever. They were destroyed out of spite and hatred of another religion, pure and simple.

The Taliban have already stated their reasons for destroying the statues

Yes, they have. Because they were mad.

Did you know that some museums offered to buy the statues, and that the government could have used that money for the children, but that the government turned them down?

**جوري** · 06-28-2010

by the way I am curious as to all that sympathy when americans were looting Iraqi cultural heritage?

Agence France-Presse
December 8, 2008 Fragments of bricks, engraved with cuneiform characters thousands of years old, lie mixed with the rubble and sandbags left by the US military on the ancient site of Babylon in Iraq. In this place, one of the cradles of civilisation, US troops in 2003-2004 built embankments, dug ditches and spread gravel to hold the fuel reservoirs needed to supply the heliport of Camp Alpha. Today, archaeologists say a year of terracing work and 18 months of military presence, with tanks and helicopters, have caused irreparable damage. The Americans remained five months in Babylon and then handed over to the Poles who pulled out 16 months later. Hands on hips, and wearing a seemingly permanent air of dismay, Maithem Hamza, director of the - totally empty - museum on the site, points to the soil: "Look at this land, it is packed with remnants. They filled their bags with them."

http://www.brusselstribunal.org/looting.htm

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or is your sympathy and isnta google smarts linear in progression?

**titus** · 06-28-2010

Nothing in fact is prohibiting westerners and other like minded turds from doing exactly that under some ridiculous banner of 'freedom of speech' or whatever else, or are you a hypocrite? At least they had an actual reason to do it, what is the reason for drawing cartoons, passing falsehood and lies against Islam and disrespecting the Quran?

Exactly my point. Just because they have the ability to do it does not make it right.

And again, their actual reason for doing it was out of spite.

**جوري** · 06-28-2010

Originally Posted by titus

The point being that aid money had nothing to do with it. Destroying the statues did not help any children, so the Taliban's attempt to spin doctor the situation to claim it was is baloney.

The point was made when they destroyed the statues, it is obviously not something I expect you to pick up on~!

I don't think anyone claimed it was illegal. Yes, it was on their turf so they had the legal right to destroy them.

Great.. let's hope you are equally concerned about the Babylonian monuments of Iraq looted by Americans

Now, when it comes to moral right I don't think so. The statues were doing no harm whatsoever. They were destroyed out of spite and hatred of another religion, pure and simple.

only a simpleton can draw satisfaction from overly trivialized warfare situations, I had no better expectations from you in fact, why you have this endless desire to share this inane mindless drivel with the rest of us is beyond me? Isn't there the bumpkin's rustic ways forum you'd be better suited for?

Yes, they have. Because they were mad.

A hearing impediment on top of all else..

Did you know that some museums offered to buy the statues, and that the government could have used that money for the children, but that the government turned them down?

wow buying statues is indeed better than how western museums acquired most of their oriental treasures.. let me know how you feel once you find out about how Egyptian monuments made it to foreign museums and what were done to the mummies from fuel for train to eternal youth creams to haggardly western shrews!

**جوري** · 06-28-2010

Originally Posted by titus

Exactly my point. Just because they have the ability to do it does not make it right.

Oh good, I expect your voice of reason then to change things around in your neck of the woods!

And again, their actual reason for doing it was out of spite.

sure, whatever you say!

**titus** · 06-28-2010

by the way I am curious as to all that sympathy when americans were looting Iraqi cultural heritage?

or is your sympathy and isnta google smarts linear in progression?

I have spoken out to people I know about this, but not on this forum. I think it is extremely wrong, and any soldiers found with such artifacts should be prosecuted fully. The vast majority of the looting was done by Iraqis, though, and much has already been recovered by UN and American forces.

I have a deep love for History, in fact I have my degree in History, and any time historical artifacts, especially ones as important and old as these, are lost, stolen or destroyed it makes me extremely upset.

If you had asked me about it at the time I would have been more than happy to tell you.

**titus** · 06-28-2010

wow buying statues is indeed better than how western museums acquired most of their oriental treasures.. let me know how you feel once you find out about how Egyptian monuments made it to foreign museums and what were done to the mummies from fuel for train to eternal youth creams to haggardly western shrews!

You did not answer the question. You danced around it and tried to change the subject.

While you are making excuses for the Taliban destroying the statues, saying it was to help the children, then why can you not answer why the Taliban refused money for the statues that they could have spent on the children? And how much money did they spend on the munitions used to destroy the statues that could have been spent on the children?

The obvious answer is their hatred and spite was more important to them than the children.

**aadil77** · 06-28-2010

Originally Posted by titus

You did not answer the question. You danced around it and tried to change the subject.

While you are making excuses for the Taliban destroying the statues, saying it was to help the children, then why can you not answer why the Taliban refused money for the statues that they could have spent on the children? And how much money did they spend on the munitions used to destroy the statues that could have been spent on the children?

The obvious answer is their hatred and spite was more important to them than the children.

Don't judge their intentions, watch this interview by a guy from the taliban - he explains it all http://www.islamicboard.com/general/...re-9-11-a.html

and what money for the statues? would it feed a whole country? its an insult to find foreigners coming to your country to renovate idols yet ignore dying children, those people should have protested to their govts, the same govts that place economic sanctions that place everyone in poverty and starve children

**titus** · 06-28-2010

Don't judge their intentions, watch this interview by a guy from the taliban - he explains it all

I listened to the part where he talks about the statues. He basically said the same thing that has been said before, that they destroyed them because they were upset that some Western group wanted to restore them. He said the people were angry.

In other words these religious symbols and historical artifacts were destroyed out of spite and anger.

and what money for the statues? would it feed a whole country?

Even if it could only feed one child wouldn't it have been better than spending all that money to destroy the statues?

And do not doubt that it would have been enough money to feed much more than one child. They decided it was more important to destroy the statues than to feed their children.

**جوري** · 06-28-2010

Originally Posted by titus

I have spoken out to people I know about this, but not on this forum. I think it is extremely wrong, and any soldiers found with such artifacts should be prosecuted fully. The vast majority of the looting was done by Iraqis, though, and much has already been recovered by UN and American forces.

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your speaking out is really remarkable.. it has done wonders to the treasures of the birth place of civilixation..
2- Having them removed by the thieves who have originally looted them is really going to help matters alot.. the same way all matters are helped by the presence of foreign forces there!

I have a deep love for History, in fact I have my degree in History, and any time historical artifacts, especially ones as important and old as these, are lost, stolen or destroyed it makes me extremely upset.

Thanks for that, little tid bits about your life are so meaningful!

If you had asked me about it at the time I would have been more than happy to tell you.

No thanks, we are quite familiar with your all too sophomoric platitudes about any subjects!

Originally Posted by titus

You did not answer the question. You danced around it and tried to change the subject.

There are no questions to answer!

While you are making excuses for the Taliban destroying the statues, saying it was to help the children, then why can you not answer why the Taliban refused money for the statues that they could have spent on the children? And how much money did they spend on the munitions used to destroy the statues that could have been spent on the children?

I never said it was to 'help the children' I said they requested that aid meant to repair the statues for more humanitarian and more pressing issues, the team refused.. the taliban simply showed them where their priorities ought to me in a cut throat move.. there is no time for artistry during war--

The obvious answer is their hatred and spite was more important to them than the children.

The obvious answer is always the level of ignorance displayed by westerners is overwhelming, boring and frankly down right disgusting!

**titus** · 06-28-2010

1- your speaking out is really remarkable.. it has done wonders to the treasures of the birth place of civilixation..

Yes, about as much as yours has.

Thanks for that, little tid bits about your life are so meaningful!

You asked me my feelings about the situation. I told you. Now you seem upset that I answered.

Funny thing is that if I had said I didn't care then you would have been upset also.

No thanks, we are quite familiar with your all too sophomoric platitudes about any subjects!

And yours, as exemplified by this post, are the epitome of maturity.

The obvious answer is always the level of ignorance displayed by westerners is overwhelming, boring and frankly down right disgusting!

Yes, how ignorant to want to restore an historical artifact. It is much more enlightening to destroy it, while at the same time turning down money to feed your children.

Please save me from such "enlightenment".

**جوري** · 06-28-2010

Originally Posted by titus

Yes, about as much as yours has.

We are not here to discuss feelings, you can pay a psychiatrist for that!

You asked me my feelings about the situation. I told you. Now you seem upset that I answered.

It was in rhetoric, I wasn't looking for a response, rather used to highlight your hypocrisy and frank ignorance!

Funny thing is that if I had said I didn't care then you would have been upset also.

I don't invest myself emotionally in random forumers.. further I don't see how your feelings would help any matters any?

And yours, as exemplified by this post, are the epitome of maturity.

Indeed!

Yes, how ignorant to want to restore an historical artifact. It is much more enlightening to destroy it, while at the same time turning down money to feed your children.

Money in the hands of corrupt afghan puppet govt. hardly reaches children as evidenced by their mortality rate.. as stated previously, generally a superficial westerner is the last person to give an opinion or 'share a feeling' on affairs that don't concern them.

Please save me from such "enlightenment".

Stay out of the thread and cavort in your ignorance elsewhere then!

all the best