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    Is it something that needs to be consciously done to counted as shirk? Like you need to knowingly set up a partner with God in order for it to count against you. Because I remember asking and some of you said putting financial success before fard duties like intentionally missing Salat and putting Allah aside is shirk.
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    Re: Question about shirk

    FORMS OF SHIRK
    There are two forms of shirk. One is known as shirk akbar and another as shirk asghar.
    Shirk akbar is a 'major' act of shirk that cannot be forgiven by Allah (s.w.t.) and whoever dies while committing it will not be able to enter Jannah.
    Shirk asghar are 'minor', more unnoticeable acts of shirk that, if done continuously, might take one 'out of' iman.
    SHIRK AKBAR
    There are two kinds of shirk akbar -
    1. Shirk akbar jali (clear)
    This type of shirk akbar is to worship a god or several gods besides Allah (s.w.t.). These 'gods' can be in any kind of form, whether cosmic objects, animals, spirits, jinn or human beings such as priests, kings or rulers.
    2. Shirk akbar khafi (subtle)
    These types of major shirk include:
    * when one prays or supplicates to something other than Allah (s.w.t.)
    For example: pious ancestors, dead persons, saints etc. Some say that praying or supplicating to them does not necessarily mean worshipping them. However, Islam stresses that praying or supplicating to something or someone is actually worshipping. (Refer to Tafsir Al Mu'minum:60)
    * when one takes a lawgiver or lawmaker other than Allah
    This includes all kinds of laws governing human life. The right to make something halal or haram, or to judge in human affairs belongs solely to Allah (s.w.t.). This pertains to both 'religious' and 'secular' in life in Islam. According to Islam, obeying someone while disobeying Allah (s.w.t.), even in the realm of mundane life, is like worshipping it.
    SHIRK ASGHAR
    There are many forms of shirk asghar or minor shirk. The term 'minor' here does not mean that they are not as grave or serious. Rather it means that these forms of shirk are more inconspicuous and unnoticeable compared to the others.
    This form of shirk has been described by the Prophet (s.a.w.s.):
    Shirk in the Muslim nation is more inconspicuous than the creeping of the black ant on a black rock in the pitch darkness of the night.
    Hence, Muslims should shun and guard themselves very carefully from these kinds of shirk because the most 'minor' shirk may incur a heavier penalty than the most serious sin in Islam. Committing or practicing any act of shirk, whether major or minor, can make one's deeds unacceptable by Allah (s.w.t.).
    Common forms of shirk asghar:
    * to swear with names other than Allah
    This was a common practice of the Arabs during the Prophet's (s.a.w.s.) time. They used to swear with the Ka'aba's name, with a pious ancestor's name, or more commonly, with the names of the idols they worshipped, e.g. Al-Latta, Az-Uzza etc. This is shirk because indirectly it gives some recognition of power or glorification to the being named. Says the Prophet (s.a.w.s.):
    Whoever swears with other than Allah, he has committed an act of shirk and kufr.
    * to adorn something that is believed to be a form of 'protection from misfortune'
    Again, this was a common practice of the early Arabs and is to some extent still prevalent today. Wearing certain bangles, necklaces and amulets was believed to be able to weaken jinn or evil spirits or protect oneself from 'al-ain', misfortune etc. From Imam Ahmad, narrated by Umran bin Hussain:
    Once the Prophet (s.a.w.s.) saw a man wearing a yellow bangle and asked him, "What is this?" The man answered, "It is al-wahinah (that which weakens)." The Prophet (s.a.w.s.) said, "Take it off! Verily it will not increase you in anything, except sickness and if you die adorning it, no happiness will come to you forever."
    This emphasis and serious attention given by the Prophet (s.a.w.s.) shows the need to shun all forms of shirk and close all doors that might lead to it.
    to practice, involve or believe in any form of sihir (sorcery) including charms, incantations, astrology etc.
    This is stated in a Hadith:
    There are three kinds of people that will not enter paradise: the drinker, the one who acknowledges sorcery and the one who breaks silaturahim (kinship). (Ahmad and Ibn Habban)
    Astrology is said to be part of this because of the Hadith:
    Whoever partakes in one part of astrology (the art of the stars), verily he has partaken in sorcery. (Abu Dawood)
    This, however, does not include using the stars in navigation, traveling, etc.
    * to believe in 'fortune-telling'
    From a Hadith by Muslim, the Prophet (s.a.w.s.) once said:
    Whoever approaches a fortune-teller, inquires him/her and acknowledges him/her, his prayers will not be accepted for forty days.
    A Hadith by Abu Dawood relates:
    Whoever approaches a fortune-teller and acknowledges him/her that person has committed kufr to revelation from Allah.
    * to believe in evil omens
    This happens when a person intends to do something, but decides not to do it because of experiencing or 'seeing' certain evil signs or omens. Says the Prophet (s.a.w.s.):
    "Whoever cancels one's intention to do something because of attiyarah (an evil omen), that one has committed shirk". The companions asked, "What is its kafarah (penalty for repentance)?" The Prophet (s.a.w.s.) answered, saying, "O Allah, there is no good except from You and there is no misfortune except from You. Indeed, there is no god but You". (Imam Ahmad)
    * to have riya
    This means to perform acts or to show off in order to gain praise or fame, or for worldly purposes.
    * to have no redha
    This implies being inwardly dissatisfied with an inevitable condition that has been ordained for one by Allah (s.w.t.); to continuously lament that if one had not done such and such a thing, one would have had a better result.
    * to be excessive in one's reverence, respect and 'glorification' of prophets, pious leaders, sheikhs or imams
    This has brought to the practice of rituals and ceremonies in glorification of these people and the act of beautifying, building upon, lighting up and even worshipping their graves.
    * to use ambiguous words that might involve shirk
    This includes phrases like 'In the name of Allah and the name of so and so' (e.g. a leader), or 'if it was not for so and so', or to use a name that is exclusively Allah's (s.w.t.) in naming something or even to curse Allah's creation.

    full article here http://www.missionislam.com/knowledge/Shirk.htm
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    Re: Question about shirk

    format_quote Originally Posted by Mila View Post
    * to have no redha
    This implies being inwardly dissatisfied with an inevitable condition that has been ordained for one by Allah (s.w.t.); to continuously lament that if one had not done such and such a thing, one would have had a better result.
    Isn't this quite a normal thing? If a person does something wrong, then looks back and says "I made a mistake and things would be better had I not". Please can someone clarify how this can be shirk?
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    Re: Question about shirk

    format_quote Originally Posted by Dagless View Post
    Isn't this quite a normal thing? If a person does something wrong, then looks back and says "I made a mistake and things would be better had I not". Please can someone clarify how this can be shirk?
    I'm pretty sure Islam judges you based on your intentions... Honest mistakes shouldn't count as shirk... (I think)
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    Re: Question about shirk

    Dear Brother,
    The matters like " putting financial success before fard duties like intentionally missing Salat and putting Allah aside" can be considered to be shirk al-hafi (hidden shirk) in the view of some scholars.But of course it's not a big sin like shirk.The intention makes sense.If you accept only One God, it's ok.
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    Re: Question about shirk

    format_quote Originally Posted by Mila View Post
    to practice, involve or believe in any form of sihir (sorcery) including charms, incantations, astrology etc.
    I thought this was shirk akbar.
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    Re: Question about shirk

    oh dear..k, wn i was in skool 1 of my muslim friend told that we can believe in fortune tellers and such (in india among hindus,theres this horoscope matching thing..in many instances when couple who arent alowd to mary bcoz of mismatchd horoscopes,marry,something lke death etc does take place) coz its true..but the thing is we shouldnt follow/practice them.
    I believed her when i met this pastor my moms family brought for group prayer thing. He spoke in 'tongues'.He cald me after the prayer and spoke to me privately. He told me about my disbelief in religion (i was reading through christianity)..when i wasnt convinced,he described many of my friends and secrets we shared,conversations we had etc. Its unbelievable! It cant be fake!
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    Re: Question about shirk

    ^ he probably has seen u around with friends without u even knowing, your friends could have told him these "secret" conversations, or a jinn told him those things and then he told u...simple as that
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    Re: Question about shirk

    format_quote Originally Posted by sherz_umr View Post
    oh dear..k, wn i was in skool 1 of my muslim friend told that we can believe in fortune tellers and such (in india among hindus,theres this horoscope matching thing..in many instances when couple who arent alowd to mary bcoz of mismatchd horoscopes,marry,something lke death etc does take place) coz its true..but the thing is we shouldnt follow/practice them.
    I believed her when i met this pastor my moms family brought for group prayer thing. He spoke in 'tongues'.He cald me after the prayer and spoke to me privately. He told me about my disbelief in religion (i was reading through christianity)..when i wasnt convinced,he described many of my friends and secrets we shared,conversations we had etc. Its unbelievable! It cant be fake!

    I cant give you the hadiths, but we believe that Allah assigned a djinn (apart from the two angels that record everything we do) to each of us that accompany us from the day we are born until we die. The djinn is called "qareen"

    The pastor must have communicated with your qareen and thats why he knew everything about you.

    In Islam, we are not allowed to contact djinn, it is shirk. And especially we are not allowed to believe what the djinn tell us. it is shirk akbar.

    As for fortune tellers, they either make up lies or they get information from djinn who eavesdrop conversations between angels who carry out Allah commands for future events. The djinn would mix the real information with their own lies and spread information to many fortune tellers.
    Even contacting fortune tellers is shirk akbar. And if you die before you repent from shirk akbar, hell will be your domain forever.
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