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    is Allah fair ? Yes! (OP)


    ok the only reason i joined these forums is to ask a question
    regarding allah
    first of all .. this is post of mere question and not intend to insult anyone's belief
    the examples might be harsh .. but also are facts
    second as my profile says am muslim " kind of "
    i was muslim since birth but since few years a question poping in my head which
    i found no answer for anywhere
    this could be long but i'll try to make it as short as i can

    the simple question is .. is allah all fair and wisdom ?
    he certinally claim that ... and i certinally don't see this through life
    the way i see it
    i see poor ... i see rich
    i see weak ... i see strong
    i see healthy .. i see sick
    there's beauty .. and there's ugly
    there's happiness and there's sadness .. the list goes on forever
    where is the wisdom and fairness in that ?

    what sets the people from the first class above .. over the second class ?
    in what rights people must work for their whole life for simplest things
    that other got before they were born ?

    what makes the person with happy life more special to have a good life
    and what makes the person too ****ed to get bad life with poor resources ?
    the same thing could be applied for all above ...

    but on the outcome allah will judge eventally all of us for all i know with no regard
    for our situations in life .. and the path some are " forced " to take

    for example : a rich person allah have adviced honest marriage and to thank allah for his blessings on him
    but a poor person who wouldn't afford marriage ? what did allah advice ? to fast
    that's right .. by the way am an arab and i know what am talking about
    a person who can't afford marriage god adviced him to fast " doesn't make sense to me "
    but supposedly fasting reduce the lust
    however this is a mere example

    so god gave the rich the means to enjoy life .. while given the poor .. an extra duty replacing
    one of life's joy

    there's no wisdom in that ... if there's i certinaly don't see it

    moving on ..
    a person who lives hard life .. eiather is poor .. sick .. ect ect
    have harsh life which sometimes is forced to ask these kind of question
    which i view them as questions with no answer and will lead eventally to believe in god's existence .. but ain't worth of worship .. " the state i reached "

    this is not question i came up with yesterday or so
    this is the result of years in search for question that allah did not answer
    by all means am 22 now .. this question been with me since i was 16
    any one with suitable explaination please share .. it's most welcome AND needed
    now please before attempt to answer this .. read below
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    it's not that this the first time am asking such thing so i got answers which i consider
    flawed and non realistic or not rational here they are so i don't get the same answers i dismissed in the past

    answer 1 : the life is only one part of human existence
    there's the afterlife where god would give those who weren't given in life

    dismissed for : person with happy life and comfortable one is easier for him to thank god for his blessing and all
    but what about a person with hard life who the life had forced to question the order of things
    and to question allah's wisdom coz there's no answers enough
    that person might be forced to say : why the hell i should work hard to get what i want and always not enough .. while other people born with life of luxury
    and come up with the conclusion allah is not fair
    such questions are poisoned but once asked there's no turning back and the answers so far
    aren't convicing ... to point it simple
    it's eaiser to thank god by rich person with happy life
    than to have patience of person with bad life

    answer 2 : life can't go on if we're all rich or poor there must be people who have money to give other people's to do jobs these people don't do

    dismissed for : simply what makes the person with money better than the cleaners of the streets ? why are those who meant to clean .. and the others are meant to be rich to pay for it ?
    again .. no wisdom .. no explination

    answer 3 : allah gives who ever he wants

    dismissed for : being the most stupid answer ever coz it doesn't answer anything but further prove my theory of allah ain't fair .. which i hate to say but forced to

    answer 4 " my favorite " : allah got reason behind his acts which are reason a human beings with their limited thinking can't know them

    dismissed for : the reason it's my favorite answer coz it's the closest to be true .. but alas also flawed
    suppose allah really did has reason to do what he does .. a reason we cannot understand because
    we were created in a way which we weren't meant to understand allah's acts
    so when we see god's acts as wrong .. they got reason behind them
    but since we are human beings and can't see those reasons .. it's stupid to consider those reasons without knowing them .. because allah and islam encourage us to use our brain
    not to shove it in the dark and follow blindly
    and when we use our brain .. we come out with questions that got no answers

    answer 5 : world is a test

    dismissed for : the test vary from people to other .. some tests are eaiser and some tests are harder ... again there's no fairness in that those who fail at hard test are wronged compared to those who success at simple tests
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    so people .. any person with answers beside the above listed .. is very welcome
    as much as i doubt there's any .. but nothing gained nothing lost
    and thanks in advance

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    re: is Allah fair ? Yes!

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    I wondered a question similar to this when I was much younger than I am now. I looked around the world and saw people who have, and who have not. I wondered why God made it so people have to suffer more than others, just like the author of this tread but then I understood. It seems really strange to me that you would blame, if that's the right word, Allah for what is "fair" and what is not "fair".

    Allah (swt) created this world for us. We inhabit it. It is our job to take care of this earth. Yet, there are some people in this world who don't play by the rules. While there are people in other parts of the world who are dying of hunger everyday, there are people in the United States who are dying from over-consumption of food. We have an abundance but we certainly don't do all that we can to help those in need. Many just make excuses.

    People have put political systems in place that make it so there will always be people who are without. Whether it is access to education, food, clean water, clothes, etc. There is not an equal distribution of wealth in the world and that is because some people simply take more than they need. Others just don't have a moral compass. Some are just greedy and really don't care. As long as they "take care of their own" then the rest of the world just doesn't matter. There are a lot of people these days, at least in my area, who live by "sucks to be you." if something bad ever happened.

    Tell me, if people did what Allah (swt) said we should do, prayed, gave charity, treated their fellow brothers and sisters with respect, we probably wouldn't have these "rich" and "poor" issues in the world as you see it now. There might be some people who have more than others, but not to the extent of the devastation that you see today. I see the poverty in the world as a mirror that looks back on us in this day and time and says, "Who are we and what have we become?" Generations from now people will study our time in history books and they'll see how we let other generations of people die, while there were nations in the world who could have helped that, but they just didn't. The ones in power didn't and we rarely do anything to tell those in power to do anything about it. As long as "my people" are OK then who cares about the others? That's how it is in the USA. There are citizens who think that we should help ourselves before we help anyone else, even if anyone else is much worse off than we are. People here don't see humanity as one, but divided nations. The problem is we now live in a world where people think they know better than God when Allah knows best. Not all people quite understand that.

    So you want to blame Allah (swt) for some of mankind's misdeeds and selfishness? I think what you need to do is take a look in the mirror at yourself. Instead of blaming Allah (swt), what have you done lately to help fix some of what is wrong in your community? What have you done to help tone down some of the education and poverty issues that plague the community that you live in? What have you done to inspire others around you to help fix some of these problems? I imagine not much or else you wouldn't be on the message board asking this question.

    May Allah give you the strength to see the beauty in your community and to help out your fellow brothers and sisters.
    Allahumma inne asaloka wal amaan e wal imaan fid dunya wal akhera. Ameen.
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    re: is Allah fair ? Yes!

    Allah is way beyond fair. You remind me of a man who asked one Muslim scholar:

    "Why, if Allah is all that great, can't Allah just make all man good?"

    To which the Muslim scholar answered:

    "If everything in the world tasted sweet, you will not know what is the taste of sweet. If everything in the world were colored white, you will not know what is the color of white."

    To try to understand Allah, to use a very poor analogy, is to be like a fly that tries to understand a frog. The difference in magnitude of intelligence is simply too great a chasm to be bridged. Actually you don't have to understand Allah to be able to live fully as a Muslim. Myself, I just try my best to do what Allah says to do, and tries my best not to do what Allah forbids to do. And I find that life is wonderful. AlhamduliLLah.
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    re: is Allah fair ? Yes!

    Assalaam Alaikum Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakatuh,

    It is certainly the case that Allah knows how we act and live in this world. He sends us to be tested by Him, so that we can improve our abilities and skills through the responsibilities He ordains for us. Undoubtedly, Allah creates us just as He creates minerals such as coal, copper, iron, silver and gold: He is the Lord, the Cherisher, the Owner and Maker of all.

    A person with artistic talents wants to express those talents and so is known through his works of art. In the same way, the majesty and splendour and artistry of the creation of Allah is a presentation and reflection of His sacred Names and Attributes. To show human beings His art (Might, Power, Knowledge, Wisdom, Beauty and Mercy) He created the universe and exhibited aspects of His mysterious, hidden treasures in it.

    To show us how His Names, Attributes and Divine Art become manifest, He created the universe step by step. In different qualities and quantities, He grants us countless opportunities to get to know Him better, endless ways to acquire sound knowledge about Him. He is the absolute Creator who makes everything from one, and adds to whatever He wills thousands of additional benefits. Thus it is that, for example, carbon may be manifest as coal or diamond, and each further refined and adapted to a multitude of different uses.

    Through whatever is created and exhibited in the universe and is given to man, man himself is tested, purified and prepared as a candidate for eternal bliss in paradise. In the same way, raw materials are refined, purified and processed into silver, gold or diamonds. In one hadith, the Prophet Muhammad, upon him be peace, said: ‘Human beings are just like minerals. One who is good in jahiliyya (the time of pagan ignorance in Arabia before Islam) is also good in Islam’ (Bukhari, Iman, 10, Anbiya’, 8–14; Muslim, Fada’il al-Sahaba, 168, Mana-qib, 25; Ibn Hanbal, Musnad, 3, 101). For example, ‘Umar enjoyed dignity, glory and honour before Islam, but when he became a Muslim he had more. He gained a calmer dignity, tender-heartedness and the grandeur of iman. Before Islam, he might be tough, quick-tempered, haughty, as one who thought he had everything; after becoming Muslim, he was one of the most modest and humble of men in his bearing towards the believers. Through Islam, he improved his qualities and attributes. Therefore, when we see well-mannered, dynamic, ener-getic, audacious and spirited people, we wish them to be Muslim, for one who was good, great, glorious and es-teemed before Islam will be far more so in Islam.
    Islam deals with the most precious and invaluable of minerals─man. It takes man, kneads, improves and ma¬tures him, refining him as gold is refined pure. The Com¬panions of the Prophet, upon him be peace, became so, 24 carat pure. Later on, however, Muslims began to fall off from this standard of fineness, from 24 to 15 carats. In the twentieth century, some people have even fallen to a standard of one carat or less in their fineness. In consequence, sadly, this century has witnessed the trouble caused by many dissolute and criminal persons.
    We are tested in this world so that we may become clari¬fied, purified and attain virtue and perfection. Even though Allah knows how well or otherwise we perform in the test, He tests us all the same. It is not because He does not know and wants to learn what He does not know through us, rather He knows and accordingly tests a man against himself, and man against others. When we make strenuous efforts to refine ourselves, to find out and prove what we are, what we have, and whether we are worthless and valueless like iron or great like gold, we are only acting as a means to make happen what Allah already knows from eternity. We are tested in what we strive for, and in what we exert ourselves to do. In this way, we shall enter the presence of Allah and give account of ourselves to Him: ...But their hands will speak to us, and their feet bear witness, to all that they did (al-Fussilat, 41.65). ‘Hands and feet’ symbolically represent all our instruments for action, all the members of our bodies, including our faculties and opportunities. In other verses, ‘eyes, ears and skins’ are all mentioned as bearing witness against us if we have misused them.

    We are being tested against ourselves, in all that we have─all the members of our bodies, all our faculties of thought and feeling, and all the opportunities we have been granted to use them. Allah, Exalted is He, does not test us because He wants to know how we do in the test, but because He wants to show us ourselves so that we become aware that we are testing ourselves and being tested. And Allah knows best.
    is Allah fair ? Yes!

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    "We Muslims, who are students of the Qur’an, follow proof; we approach the truths of belief through reason, thought, and our hearts. " Bediuzzaman Said Nursi

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    re: is Allah fair ? Yes!



    format_quote Originally Posted by Sorrow Embrace View Post
    so allah allows suffering of some people with injustice ...

    Prophets pbut were the chosen people , yet they suffered more than us ( ordinary people ) . Hope u dont think
    Allah did injustice to His messengers pbut ?



    .. allah is not human .. how could he possiably understand human feelings ?
    because He is our Creator . He knows about everything . If Allah needs to become human to
    understand us , then He needs to be Jinn , angel and lower class animals to understand their feelings ?

    Astagferrullah.
    is Allah fair ? Yes!

    Christ will never be proud to reject to be a slave to God .....holy Quran, chapter Women , 4: 172

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    re: is Allah fair ? Yes!

    this man does not believe in the akhirah it seems,


    audhubillaah
    is Allah fair ? Yes!

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    re: is Allah fair ? Yes!

    sorry to bring up an old old topic
    but i just wanted to say thanks to Allah
    i no longer feel the same way i did years ago
    i saw the forums message in my email inbox and reminded me
    of why i signed up and thought i might come back and say this

    now i look back at it . it seems like childish question
    but it helped me alot to understand my God and religion more
    and thankfully Allah gave me my answers
    hopefully everyone gets their answers as well
    the answer vary from person to person
    and only Allah can give answer good enough to remove doubts entirely
    and He will when the time is right
    peace ! and again sorry to bring up a very old topic
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    re: is Allah fair ? Yes!

    Allah swt is just..

    I have no knowledge of the afterlife so my answer should end there.

    But how do you consider this life?


    Years of research..

    To define your character.


    Answer 1: yes its easiest to be nice when not walking up hill..

    But if you ever have to walk up hill.. Try not to push a boulder along with you.

    Maybe it will make you realise that every person pushes a boulder of some kind.

    Or not.

    Answer 2: iv been humbled or humiliated by both rich men and cleaners..

    Recognise authority in its many forms. Wait till you get old.. Those flippin upstarts >

    But yes, it would be rather nice to wear a better suit.. Or a clean one some days.

    Answer 3: all you can do is try. Sometimes at least you can show how not to do it.. Or inspire others.. In work or ideas.

    Let me pick your brain for a moment...

    Funny I didn't think I had one :/

    ...I do, that was a joke

    Really? I was so angry I missed it.


    Question 4: yes, the most we can do is oppose Allah swt with all that we have..

    If only to know our selves.

    ...I would pray so hard!!

    (Not isreal)

    Answer 5: yes the world is actually a test. I'd fight tooth and nail for what I believe in..

    As much as my character allows me..

    Mr.muscle the kitchen cleaner.



    Imo... These are quick answers that should turn your frown upside down for a moment.

    It's not entirely in jest.

    You can't look up out of the hole and say how on earth did I get here?

    We all get what we put forward.. Good deeds and conduct are something for Allah swt to decide on..

    All you can do is try..


    Out of work for an absolute age, cv's like the post man.. Finally got two job interviews in a week... Two! Count em!

    Admitted to hospital a few days before and missed them both.

    You couldn't make it up if you tried. Alhamdulillah.

    It would be ungrateful of me to overlook those that have helped me all this time.
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    re: is Allah fair ? Yes!

    Allah is fair. The Quran mentions several times that he is just. is Allah fair ? Yes!
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    Allah tala Owns all of Creation,

    He has the right to set the rules and punish accordingly any of his creation that Disobeys and Forgive whom he wills,

    As stated before several times,

    Allah tala is not unjust in the Least degree,
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    re: is Allah fair ? Yes!

    Am i late? I think I am late..

    Hello I'm 16 years old, and since around a month ago, i also have this problem of overthinking whether is Allah fair, then later on it leads me to the question "is Allah really the right God?" But judging from other religions, it seems to me that Islam is the current most logical religion out of all the others. But still, i can't stop thinking of it because in my head there's like so much conclusions... aaaaaaaaarghhh...
    Have you found the answers yet?
    I am very confused by this, and i think i will die before knowing the truths
    Please if you know the answers to this topic, i really need it
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    re: is Allah fair ? Yes!

    Help me please what was the answers
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    re: is Allah fair ? Yes!

    format_quote Originally Posted by AlfiAnfahsa View Post
    Am i late? I think I am late..

    Hello I'm 16 years old, and since around a month ago, i also have this problem of overthinking whether is Allah fair, then later on it leads me to the question "is Allah really the right God?" But judging from other religions, it seems to me that Islam is the current most logical religion out of all the others. But still, i can't stop thinking of it because in my head there's like so much conclusions... aaaaaaaaarghhh...
    Have you found the answers yet?
    I am very confused by this, and i think i will die before knowing the truths
    Please if you know the answers to this topic, i really need it
    What makes you question Allah's fairness..?

    But to answer your question yes, Allah is Just and He is the One and Only God.
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    re: is Allah fair ? Yes!

    Aoa. Allah is whatever you think of Him.
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    Re: is Allah fair ? Yes!

    format_quote Originally Posted by iammuslim98 View Post
    Aoa. Allah is whatever you think of Him.
    Yes and no.

    I am aware of the hadeeth:
    The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "Allah says: 'I am just as My slave thinks I am, (i.e. I am able to do for him what he thinks I can do for him) and I am with him if He remembers Me. If he remembers Me in himself, I too, remember him in Myself; and if he remembers Me in a group of people, I remember him in a group that is better than they; and if he comes one span nearer to Me, I go one cubit nearer to him; and if he comes one cubit nearer to Me, I go a distance of two outstretched arms nearer to him; and if he comes to Me walking, I go to him running.' "
    However, this does not mean that if you think "Allah is unjust" that Allah is indeed unjust in reality. Allahs justice is not dependant on our thoughts...He is ALWAYS just.

    The hadeeth just means that, If you for example do not make dua because you think "Allah is unjust, so He will not grant my dua anyways"...then it means that He probably will not give you want you want...


    format_quote Originally Posted by AlfiAnfahsa View Post
    Am i late? I think I am late..

    Hello I'm 16 years old, and since around a month ago, i also have this problem of overthinking whether is Allah fair, then later on it leads me to the question "is Allah really the right God?" But judging from other religions, it seems to me that Islam is the current most logical religion out of all the others. But still, i can't stop thinking of it because in my head there's like so much conclusions... aaaaaaaaarghhh...
    Have you found the answers yet?
    I am very confused by this, and i think i will die before knowing the truths
    Please if you know the answers to this topic, i really need it
    Like sister a_user already asked, what is exactly what you are confused about?
    This question is relevant because the topic is huge.
    I think you just don't have enough information to see the whole picture...there are some gaps in your general knowledge about Islaam that creates confusion.
    Read and investigate more and I'm sure your confusion will slowly go away.
    The things that are unclear you could ask here and we can look at it together.

    Right now I want to say that humans are all different and they undergo different tests. individuals that are strong, usually undergo a heavier test and weaker individuals undergo a lighter test.
    No one will get a heavier burden than he/she can carry.

    This of course results in an unjust world...but this world being unjust has nothing to do with Allah being unjust...those are two separate things.
    depending how you have done your test in this world, you will get your reward, and that compensates the unjustness of this world more than enough.
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    Re: is Allah fair ? Yes!

    Aoa. I didnt know it is limited to dua only. Howeber i do believe if u think اللہ is unfair, then things become unfair and unjust.
    But thanku
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    Re: is Allah fair ? Yes!

    format_quote Originally Posted by iammuslim98 View Post
    Aoa. I didnt know it is limited to dua only. Howeber i do believe if u think اللہ is unfair, then things become unfair and unjust.
    But thanku
    Yes...things SEEMS to become unfair...you just earned that because you were thinking bad about Allah...so in the end it is still fair.

    Allah is never unfair...if something seems unfair...then it is your own fault...not Allah.
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    Re: is Allah fair ? Yes!

    Posting on behalf of br. @Eric H

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    is Allah really the right God?"
    Allah chooses whom he wills, if you feel called towards Islam it is because Allah has first chosen you.

    If you are not sure who Allah is, study and reflect on his 99 names.

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    Aoa. We can look at it from another perspective. Fair is a relative concept.. For some it might be unfair that they get to drive a honda, while their neighbor drives a mercedes whereas works half as hard as themselves. Fair could also mean that a person gets meals twice a day.
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    Re: is Allah fair ? Yes!

    format_quote Originally Posted by iammuslim98 View Post
    Aoa. We can look at it from another perspective. Fair is a relative concept.. For some it might be unfair that they get to drive a honda, while their neighbor drives a mercedes whereas works half as hard as themselves. Fair could also mean that a person gets meals twice a day.
    İ agree...however, it is only a relative concept because we live in an unfair world.
    A person in this world could drive a mercedes without earning it.
    So yes..."fair" is relative in this world.
    İn the next world if someone is driving a "mercedes"...no one will be in the position of saying "that is unfair".
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    Alhamdulillah, I've found my own answer.
    My confusion was about the ones who don't know Islam, but they are kind peoples..
    I've come to the conclusion that if they try to really learn who the true God is(of course it's Allah) they will (Insha Allah) find the answer because there are many things in their bible that are not true so of course they will sometimes come up with a question, and that will lead them to Qur'an sooner or later.

    Sorry for the stupid question, and thank you for your answersᕙ(@°▽°@)ᕗ
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    (also "Read and investigate" will really help)
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