truthseeker63's Corner [Clarification about Islam]

Bismellah Tawakkalna ala Allah...

What made Allah wrath fall upon the people of Lut O dear Questioner...? read the story of the prophet Lut (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) and his people and you will know the answer inshaa Allah...

here you are read here:

http://www.islamicboard.com/prophets...t-lut-lot.html

check this link its an e book:

http://abdurrahman.org/seerah/storie...ophets228p.pdf


Suras mentioning the Story and reasons of punishing them (Lut people):

"And [We had sent] Lot when he said to his people, "Do you commit such immorality as no one has preceded you with from among the worlds? (80) Indeed, you approach men with desire, instead of women. Rather, you are a transgressing people." (81)But the answer of his people was only that they said, "Evict them from your city! Indeed, they are men who keep themselves pure." (82) So We saved him and his family, except for his wife; she was of those who remained [with the evildoers]. (83) And We rained upon them a rain [of stones]. Then see how was the end of the criminals. (84)" Surat Al Aaraaff

"And when the fright had left Abraham and the good tidings had reached him, he began to argue with Us concerning the people of Lot. (74) Indeed, Abraham was forbearing, grieving and [frequently] returning [to Allah]. (75) [The angels said], "O Abraham, give up this [plea]. Indeed, the command of your Lord has come, and indeed, there will reach them a punishment that cannot be repelled." (76) And when Our messengers, [the angels], came to Lot, he was anguished for them and felt for them great discomfort and said, "This is a trying day." (77) And his people came hastening to him, and before [this] they had been doing evil deeds. He said, "O my people, these are my daughters; they are purer for you. So fear Allah and do not disgrace me concerning my guests. Is there not among you a man of reason?" (78) They said, "You have already known that we have not concerning your daughters any claim, and indeed, you know what we want." (79) He said, "If only I had against you some power or could take refuge in a strong support." (80) The angels said, "O Lot, indeed we are messengers of your Lord; [therefore], they will never reach you. So set out with your family during a portion of the night and let not any among you look back - except your wife; indeed, she will be struck by that which strikes them. Indeed, their appointment is [for] the morning. Is not the morning near?" (81)So when Our command came, We made the highest part [of the city] its lowest and rained upon them stones of layered hard clay, [which were] (82) Marked from your Lord. And Allah 's punishment is not from the wrongdoers [very] far. (83) " Surat Hood

" And to Lot We gave judgement and knowledge, and We saved him from the city that was committing wicked deeds. Indeed, they were a people of evil, defiantly disobedient. (74)" Surat Al Anbiyaa

"The people of Lot denied the messengers (160) When their brother Lot said to them, "Will you not fear Allah? (161) Indeed, I am to you a trustworthy messenger. (162) So fear Allah and obey me. (163) And I do not ask you for it any payment. My payment is only from the Lord of the worlds. (164) Do you approach males among the worlds (165) And leave what your Lord has created for you as mates? But you are a people transgressing." (166) They said, "If you do not desist, O Lot, you will surely be of those evicted." (167) He said, "Indeed, I am, toward your deed, of those who detest [it]. (168) My Lord, save me and my family from [the consequence of] what they do." (169) So We saved him and his family, all, (170) Except an old woman among those who remained behind. (171) Then We destroyed the others. (172) And We rained upon them a rain [of stones], and evil was the rain of those who were warned. (173) Indeed in that is a sign, but most of them were not to be believers. (174)" Surat Ashuaraa

"And [mention] Lot, when he said to his people, "Do you commit immorality while you are seeing? (54) Do you indeed approach men with desire instead of women? Rather, you are a people behaving ignorantly." (55) But the answer of his people was not except that they said, "Expel the family of Lot from your city. Indeed, they are people who keep themselves pure." (56) So We saved him and his family, except for his wife; We destined her to be of those who remained behind. (57) And We rained upon them a rain [of stones], and evil was the rain of those who were warned. (58)" Surat Annaml

and mentioned in other Suras of the Qur`aan too my respected ...

May Allah lead your way to the path of the endless happiness Ameeen

format_quote Originally Posted by Yahya Sulaiman

Any other genetic condition which is unhealthy to the progression of the species as a whole is seen as an evolutionary imperfection or genetic anomaly,

I mostly agree with your statemenst, except I don't understand if by the above statement you intend to call homosexuality a 'genetic anomaly'?-- it isn't a genetic anomaly anymore than incest is.. it is a psychological disturbance not a biological one and was so described in the DSM-II and a vote by the APA trustees in 1973, confirmed by the wider APA membership in 1974, the diagnosis of category of disorder was replaced with the category of "sexual orientation disturbance".[10] and of course that has changed since by another popular vote to simply be a 'normal variant'.. I imagine in the future many of these 'disturbances' like transsexualism or incest or necrophilia etc will also fall under the category of 'Normal' by popular vote..

However I agree with you to hate the sin and not the sinner.. this could very well be their tribulation in life and there are certainly many homosexuals who have gone on to have perfectly normal heterosexual lives and I have posted a story of a gay Muslim who eventually got married here on board before I just can't locate it at the moment..
to answer the OP's original query:

Name of Questioner

U.M - Austria

Title

Homosexuality Is a Major Sin

Question

Could you please tell me the ruling on homosexuality: sodomy and lesbianism. And if it is haram, what is the punishment for it in Islam?

Date

06/Dec/2003

Name of Counsellor

Yusuf Al-Qaradawi

Topic

Sexual perversity

Answer

In the Name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.

All praise and thanks are due to Allah, and peace and blessings be upon His Messenger.

Dear questioner, we would like to thank you for the great confidence you place in us, and we implore Allah Almighty to help us serve His cause and render our work for His Sake.

We must be aware that in regulating the sexual drive Islam has prohibited not only illicit sexual relations and all what leads to them, but also the sexual deviation known as homosexuality. This perverted act is a reversal of the natural order, a corruption of man's sexuality, and a crime against the rights of females. (The same applies equally to the case of lesbianism)

Responding to the question, the eminent Muslim scholar Sheikh Yusuf Al-Qaradawi, states the following:

The spread of this depraved practice in a society disrupts its natural life pattern and makes those who practice it slaves to their lusts, depriving them of decent taste, decent morals, and a decent manner of living. The story of the people of Prophet Lut (Lot) (peace be upon him), as narrated in the Qur'an should be sufficient for us. Prophet Lut's people were addicted to this shameless depravity, abandoning natural, pure, lawful relations with women in the pursuit of this unnatural, foul and illicit practice. That is why their Prophet Lut (peace be upon him) told them, (What! Of all creatures, do you approach males and leave the spouses whom your Lord has created for you? Indeed, you are people transgressing (all limits)!) (Ash-Shu`araa' 26: 165-166)

The strangest expression of these peoples' perversity of nature, lack of guidance, depravity of morals, and aberration of taste was their attitude toward the guests of Prophet Lut (peace be upon him); these guests were angels of punishment in human form sent by Allah to try these people and to expose their perversity. The Qur'an narrates the story thus: (And when Our messengers came to Lut, he was grieved on their account and did not know how to protect them. He said, 'This is a day of distress.' And his people, who had long since been practicing abominations, came rushing toward him. He said, 'O my people, here are my daughters. They are purer for you, so fear Allah and do not disgrace me in front of my guests. Is there not a single upright man among you?' They said, 'Thou knowest well that we have no right to thy daughters, and certainly thou knowest what we want.' He said, 'If only I had strength to resist you or had some powerful support!' Said (the angels) 'O Lut, truly, we are messengers of thy Lord; they shall not reach thee....)(Hud 11: 77-81)

Having said this, I should stress here that Muslim jurists have held differing opinions concerning the punishment for this abominable practice. Should it be the same as the punishment for fornication, or should both the active and passive participants be put to death? While such punishments may seem cruel, they have been suggested to maintain the purity of the Islamic society and to keep it clean of perverted elements.

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First off, how are you posting with your account apparently still disabled on request? Didn't you say you'd never come back?

Second, anything is a genetic anomaly which causes a creature to be born with a condition that goes against or makes more difficult the normal, healthy advancement of the species. Be it homosexuality, asexuality, or being born with a condition that may prove fatal, it's all just birth defects. The only reason they stopped considering it a birth defect or emotional disorder is because the backlash against anti-gay people created a lot more prejudice against anyone whose philosophy isn't that of the masses than there ever was against gays themselves, or at least a more widely accepted prejudice. People who are openly against homosexual practice aren't in as much danger of hate crimes being foisted on them as homosexuals themselves are, but we sure are more susceptible to being hated and discriminated against in the first place! Because at least the gays have everyone on their side now. It's no use trying to explain that you don't automatically hate people for one particular vice or that it's only reasonable to follow our own logic since every other condition in the world except homosexuality which would spell the doom of the species if practiced by everyone is always considered unethical. They don't want to hear it: you disagree with them, so that makes you, in their bigoted eyes, a bigot.

format_quote Originally Posted by Yahya Sulaiman

First off, how are you posting with your account apparently still disabled on request? Didn't you say you'd never come back?

I never said I'd never come back (perhaps you can quote me stating so?).. Technically I am still sick of a large number of the non-Muslims here and some individual Muslims.. however, I have come seeking solidarity for the Egyptians (not that I owe you any explanation)

Second, anything is a genetic anomaly which causes a creature to be born with a condition that goes against or makes more difficult the normal, healthy advancement of the species. Be it homosexuality, asexuality, or being born with a condition that may prove fatal, it's all just birth defects. The only reason they stopped considering it a birth defect or emotional disorder is because the backlash against anti-gay people created a lot more prejudice against anyone whose philosophy isn't that of the masses than the anti-gay people ever had, or at least a more widely accepted prejudice. People who are openly against homosexual practice aren't in as much danger of hate crimes being foisted on them as homosexuals themselves are, but we sure are more susceptible to being hated and discriminated against in the first place! Because at least the gays have everyone on their side now. It's no use trying to explain that you don't automatically hate people for one particular vice or that it's only reasonable to follow our own logic since every other condition in the world except homosexuality which would spell the doom of the species if practiced by everyone is always considered unethical. They don't want to hear it: you disagree with them, so that makes you, in their bigoted eyes, a bigot.

It isn't a 'genetic anomaly' until you can locate and isolate it on a specific gene, and all attempts to do so have thus far failed. When we learn of homosexuality we learn of it in Psychiatry not genetics and biology rendering your theory null and void!~ As for what that makes me in their eyes, it is irrelevant.. homosexuality wouldn't sustain itself 'naturally' since nature doesn't favor 'futile cycles' but we're not speaking of nature nor isolated genes (yet to be determined) we're speaking of the religious stance on homosexuality and that is an unwavering position!

all the best

format_quote Originally Posted by PouringRain

I suddenly had thoughts of vampires.

Well, we Muslims are forbidden to enter someone's home uninvited.

format_quote Originally Posted by Abdullahii

Stop reading vampire literature!

I don't!

format_quote Originally Posted by Yahya Sulaiman

Well, we Muslims are forbidden to enter someone's home uninvited.

Ha! Same here. (Where I live a person would likely to be shot doing that.)

All the messengers were sent for their people including Jesus:

<< Matthew 15:24 >>

New International Version (©1984)
He answered, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel." New Living Translation (©2007)
Then Jesus said to the woman, "I was sent only to help God's lost sheep--the people of Israel."
English Standard Version (©2001)
He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”
New American Standard Bible (©1995)
But He answered and said, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel."
International Standard Version (©2008)
But he replied, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of the nation of Israel."
GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
Jesus responded, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of the nation of Israel."
King James Bible
But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
American King James Version
But he answered and said, I am not sent but to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
American Standard Version
But he answered and said, I was not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Bible in Basic English
But he made answer and said, I was sent only to the wandering sheep of the house of Israel.
Douay-Rheims Bible
And he answering, said: I was not sent but to the sheep that are lost of the house of Israel.
Darby Bible Translation
But he answering said, I have not been sent save to the lost sheep of Israel's house.
English Revised Version
But he answered and said, I was not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Webster's Bible Translation
But he answered and said, I am not sent but to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Weymouth New Testament
"I have only been sent to the lost sheep of the house of Israel," He replied.
World English Bible
But he answered, "I wasn't sent to anyone but the lost sheep of the house of Israel."
Young's Literal Translation
and he answering said, 'I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.'

Except prophet Mohammed (PBUH) he was sent to all of mankind!

all the best

The question should rather be "Why was the Qur'an protected from corruption?" Corruption of all written word is a part of the natural evolution of it as languages change and translations and translations of the translations come about. That is the normal and natural process of all written works, except for the Qur'an. So the question that needs to be asked is why was the Qur'an protected from corruption.

Simple answer: Because it is the last revelation that will ever come. It is the final hope for mankind. For it to be allowed to follow the natural course of events would be a great injustice to future generations. The next reason is because the Qur'an is not the word of man, it is the only scripture that is the actual words Allaah(swt) used. All other scriptures were the word of man, inspired men unquestionably, but still the word of man and limited to the strength of man, to preserve to the best of man's own ability.

A Mosque is very different from a church. We have no membership roles. We typically go to the closest Mosque to us at prayer time. Many times there will be the first and only time we ever go to a specific Mosque as we might never be near it again at prayer time. About the only people who go to the same Mosque consistently are the old men who live close to it. Or the young people that have no need to be far from it at prayer time.

We have no pews, so there is no favorite or preferred sitting place. Each prayer rug faces the same direction and the space between you and the person in front of you is consistent no matter where you are. There is no alter to look at. In all of Islam there is only one alter we all face and that is in Makkah. One and only one alter for all Muslims and we have no need in seeing it, just know we are praying in the direction it is located. We have no preacher gazing over us and looking to see who is new, absent or whatever, as during prayer even the Imam is facing in the same direction we all are.

There will be many people seeing each other for the first time at every prayer time. A Mosque often has many strangers come in as it may be the closest Mosque when prayer time comes. Invitations make no sense. Who would the invitations be sent too, non-Members? But there is no membership involved to go to a Mosque.

The interior of a typical Mosque,



notice there is no preferred location. There are no distractions such as alters, fonts, statues etc to serve as something to stare at during prayer. Besides that during prayer our eyes are focused on the spot our forehead will touch when we prostrate. No matter where you stand each person is going to have virtually the same view an area on our prayer rug. All people in a Mosque are equal as we are in Islam itself. No strangers and no need to ask for membership cards or an invitation etc.

format_quote Originally Posted by Aprender

Thanks for the description of the mosque, Woodrow. There is one near my university that I've wanted to visit but I've not drawn up the courage yet. I'm getting there. When I passed by today as there was a small group of young Muslims outside of the Mosque holding up the Egyptian flag. Had I still worked for the newspaper that would have been a great reason for me to drop by without thinking of it too much.

I suggest you contact the Imam of the Mosque. Not for approval or an invitation but for your own peace of mind and knowing non-Muslim guests are always welcome and treated with much respect. Plus you will be assured of being given at least a folding chair to sit on. It can be somewhat confusing for a non-Muslim trying to figure out what to do while standing on the edge of a prayer rug.

the houses of Allah are for everyone...you are wellcome to enter any Masjid my respected...

may Allah lead your way to the path of the endless happiness Ameeeen