truthseeker63's Corner [Clarification about Islam] (OP)
I have a question about the Zakat Tax my question is do the Rich or the Wealthy pay more in Zakat Taxes and the Poor and the lower income people pay less in the Zakat Tax ? Is the Zakat Tax a Progressive Tax or a Wealth Tax ? I ask because I believe that the Rich or the Wealthy should pay more Taxes because it is fair does Islam agree with this view thank you ?
Second, anything is a genetic anomaly which causes a creature to be born with a condition that goes against or makes more difficult the normal, healthy advancement of the species. Be it homosexuality, asexuality, or being born with a condition that may prove fatal, it's all just birth defects.
If homosexuality was genetically controlled, it most definitely would be selected OUT of the population and be eliminated as 2 homo's by nature can't reproduce to perpetuate their 'homo' genes in the genetic pool.
People who are openly against homosexual practice aren't in as much danger of hate crimes being foisted on them as homosexuals themselves are, but WE sure are more susceptible to being hated and discriminated against in the first place!
Re: Is it true that in order to go into a Mosque one must be invited ?
Muslims never need an invitation to go into a Mosque, fore God has invited them allready
but I think some Mosques may require non-muslims to arrange an appointed time to go to a Mosque beforehand, so they can be shown around and so that the Mosque staff know that a non-Muslim is expected..., so if your thinking of going to a Mosque, seeker, then it may be best to phone the mosque aforehand and arrange a time and date, or alternatively you can just go in and ask the Mosque staff [look for the office or ask for the 'Imam'] if it's ok for you to look around and observe prayer etc, i'm sure they'd be of assistance
Re: Where in the Quran or other Islamic text is Homosexuality talked about as being a
format_quote Originally Posted by MustafaMc
Respected Ukhti, I am glad to see you post again on threads that interest you. You are exactly correct that 'homosexuality wouldn't sustain itself' as it confers negative selective advantage and would eventually be eliminated from the genetic pool. As you know, I am a geneticist and a plant breeder. My expereince has shown that a plant's phenotype (physical aspect) is the result of its genotype (genetics) and environment. With humans we have an intangible third element, the soul, that I believe is responsible for making moral choices of right and wrong during our lives. One is responsible before Allah for the choices one makes in life. Biologically, men and women compliment and attract each other much like the north and south poles on a magnet; however, we know that you have to use a lot of force to bring the north ends of 2 magnets together. This analogy applies to homosexuality that biologically it is not meant to be.
Jazaka Allah khyran akhi, for sharing of your knowledge to teach us that of science and comparative religion and for always sticking up for what you believe is right..
may Allah swt reward you for your patience and noble intentions.
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Re: Where in the Quran or other Islamic text is Homosexuality talked about as being a
Salaam/Peace
format_quote Originally Posted by truthseeker63
Where in the Quran or other Islamic text is Homosexuality talked about as being a sin and wrong .
related link.
Death Fall as Punishment for Homosexuality
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In Hadith, the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, clarifies the gravity of this abomination by saying: “Allah curses the one who does the actions (homosexual practices) of the people of Lut” repeating it three times; and he said in another Hadith: “If a man comes upon a man then they are both adulterers.”
in the Hanafi school of thought, the homosexual is punished through harsh beating, and if he/she repeats the act, death penalty is to be applied. As for the Shafi`i school of thought, the homosexual receives the same punishment of adultery (if he/she is married) or fornication (if not married). This means, that if the homosexual is married, he/she is stoned to death, while if single, he/she is whipped 100 times. Hence, the Shafi`i compares the punishment applied in the case of homosexuality with that of adultery and fornication, while the Hanafi differentiates between the two acts because in homosexuality, the anus (a place of impurity) may also be involved while in adultery (and fornication), the penis/vagina (which are reproductive parts) are involved. Some scholars hold the opinion that the homosexual should be thrown from a high building as a punishment for his crime, but other scholars maintain that he should be imprisoned until death.
Re: I have heard some people say that the Science in the Quran and other Islamic text
format_quote Originally Posted by Woodrow
Also even the early Arab Scientists and doctors knew enough about embryology to see that there was no stage in which a bare skeleton was visible.
I would welcome it if you could show me proof of this. How would they know that without cutting a pregnant woman open countless times?
Surah 2:259 contains almost the same words as Surah 23:14 "look at the bones [of this donkey] - how We raise them and then We cover them with flesh." Obviously here we take the meaning to be that the verse speaks of a bare skeleton being "clothed" with flesh. And this is exactly also how Tanwîr al-Miqbâs understood Surah 23:14.
format_quote Originally Posted by Woodrow
First off that is a Tafsir, (an explanation) While Tanwîr al-Miqbâs is widely accepted as the best collection of Tafsir available keep in mind it is the work of a man and subject to error. Also the original was in Arabic so we do have interpretation/translation problems.
Notice that (the little lump) is in parentasis and was not part of the original. that was put in by the interpreter. Perhaps (the little lump) was the wrong choice as without it the Tafsir does not contradict what has been explained in the other posts.
So: can you show me another tafsir or hadith that gave the verse a different sense?
Re: I have heard some people say that the Science in the Quran and other Islamic text
format_quote Originally Posted by Hiroshi
Surah 2:259 contains almost the same words as Surah 23:14 "look at the bones [of this donkey] - how We raise them and then We cover them with flesh." Obviously here we take the meaning to be that the verse speaks of a bare skeleton being "clothed" with flesh. And this is exactly also how Tanwîr al-Miqbâs understood Surah 23:14.
If you see the ayah, it is referring to a man (most probably Ezra) and his donkey which had died. Then God brought it to life, first by constructing it's bones together, then clothing those bones with flesh.
We see that;
1 - That is not discussing an embryo being formed - it is talking about a donkey who was brought back to life after its death.
2 - Tafseer ibn Abbas has been criticized by some scholars, some saying that it is not even his tafseer, and that it is only attributed to him.
3 - As I have stated in my earlier post, people in the medical field themselves differ on this issue;
Given that the formation of muscle and bone are complex, multistep processes, I am not sure that it is very meaningful to ask which takes place first. We might define the first step in "bone formation" as the first expression of Cbfa1 (now Runx2) in mice. This gene is necessary for the determination of osteoblasts. Yet this occurs in an embryo in which there is already a cartilagenous model of the bone. Why wouldn't that be the first step in bone formation?
Similarly, we might define the first step in "muscle formation" as the expression of the muscle- specific bHLH (basic helix-loop-helix) proteins like MyoD, or the first fusions of myoblasts to form myotubes.
Depending on how we define the first step in muscle and bone formation, we will get different answers on which occurs first.
4 - Since the Qur'an is correct in so many other ways scientifically*, maybe scientists will prove in the future that bones do come first, before muscle?
Re: I have heard some people say that the Science in the Quran and other Islamic text
format_quote Originally Posted by - Qatada -
If you see the ayah, it is referring to a donkey which had died. Then God brought it to life, first by constructing it's bones together, then clothing those bones with flesh.
We see that;
1 - That is not discussing an embryo being formed - it is talking about a donkey who was brought back to life after its death.
2 - Tafseer ibn Abbas has been criticized by some scholars, some saying that it is not even his tafseer, and that it is only attributed to him.
3 - As I have stated in my earlier post, people in the medical field themselves differ on this issue;
Given that the formation of muscle and bone are complex, multistep processes, I am not sure that it is very meaningful to ask which takes place first. We might define the first step in "bone formation" as the first expression of Cbfa1 (now Runx2) in mice. This gene is necessary for the determination of osteoblasts. Yet this occurs in an embryo in which there is already a cartilagenous model of the bone. Why wouldn't that be the first step in bone formation?
Similarly, we might define the first step in "muscle formation" as the expression of the muscle- specific bHLH (basic helix-loop-helix) proteins like MyoD, or the first fusions of myoblasts to form myotubes.
Depending on how we define the first step in muscle and bone formation, we will get different answers on which occurs first.
4 - Since the Qur'an is correct in so many other ways scientifically*, maybe scientists will prove in the future that bones do come first, before muscle?
Re: I have heard some people say that the Science in the Quran and other Islamic text
I think since the Prophet Muhammad was Illiterate it would be impossible for the Prophet Muhammad to copy from the Greeks or any other nation's science am I right ?
Re: I have heard some people say that the Science in the Quran and other Islamic text
format_quote Originally Posted by truthseeker63
I think since the Prophet Muhammad was Illiterate it would be impossible for the Prophet Muhammad to copy from the Greeks or any other nation's science am I right ?
That along with everything else, like who has the time while governing an ummah, instating its social/political/economic and religious system plus an entirely different text of hadith whose language differs substantially from the Quran while importing Greek scholars who speak Arabic to use their understanding of embryology so that it flows in context, syntax, lyricism and spiritual transcendence.. I have posted an entire article on the previous page that goes into the great disparity of Greek/indo/Jewish texts with that which is in the Quran..
The Quran in the beginning and the end is called the criterion al furqan.. it isn't meant to teach you physics/philosophy/human physiology or astronomy, although it calls upon all that which is in nature as a sign of God.. It is meant to be satisfactory to your heart and your mind while setting you on the path of spiritual guidance!
all the best
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Re: Does the Quran and any other Islamic text say the Prophet Muhammad was and is a
Prophet Muhammad [pbuh] said:
"Allâh selected Ishmael from the sons of Abraham, Kinana from the sons of Ishmael, Quraish from the sons of Kinana, Hashim from the sons of Quraish and He selected me from the sons of Hashim." [Muslim 2/245; Tirmidhi 2/201]
Re: Does the Quran and any other Islamic text say the Prophet Muhammad was and is a
And here is what modern science has discovered:
46.1% of Cohanim carry Y chromosomes belonging to a single paternal lineage (J-P58*) that likely originated in the Near East well before the dispersal of Jewish groups in the Diaspora. Support for a Near Eastern origin of this lineage comes from its high frequency in our sample of Bedouins, Yemenis (67%), and Jordanians (55%) and its precipitous drop in frequency as one moves away from Saudi Arabia and the Near East (Fig. 4). Moreover, there is a striking contrast between the relatively high frequency of J-58* in Jewish populations (»20%) and Cohanim (»46%) and its vanishingly low frequency in our sample of non- Jewish populations that hosted Jewish diaspora communities outside of the Near East.[12]
So clearly 46% of Jews share a more recent common ancestor with Saudis, Yemeni (67%) and Jordanians (55%), than any other people in the world, such as Europeans, Africans and Indians etc. The question becomes how recently do the 46% of Jews share a common ancestor with the Arabs? Recent studies suggest less than 5,000 years ago. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_J1c3_(Y-DNA)
Notice, there are just Arabs and Jews by the time we get down to less than 5,000 years with Jews at the J1c3d level:
The obvious Jewish names are 142, 143, 144, 145, 147, 152, 158, 164, 165, 174, 187 among others. Almost all the other are Arabs.
Hence, if there is a people who could be considered Ishmaelite who shared a recent common male ancestor with the Jews, it would have to be the Arabs and no other.
Re: Does the Quran and any other Islamic text say the Prophet Muhammad was and is a
Assalaamu Alaikum
format_quote Originally Posted by naidamar
Prophet Muhammad [pbuh] said:
"Allâh selected Ishmael from the sons of Abraham, Kinana from the sons of Ishmael, Quraish from the sons of Kinana, Hashim from the sons of Quraish and He selected me from the sons of Hashim." [Muslim 2/245; Tirmidhi 2/201]
Jazakallah Khair bro. This should suffice the questioner. Insha'Allah
Re: I have heard some people say that the Science in the Quran and other Islamic text
format_quote Originally Posted by - Qatada -
If you see the ayah, it is referring to a man (most probably Ezra) and his donkey which had died. Then God brought it to life, first by constructing it's bones together, then clothing those bones with flesh.
We see that;
1 - That is not discussing an embryo being formed - it is talking about a donkey who was brought back to life after its death.
2 - Tafseer ibn Abbas has been criticized by some scholars, some saying that it is not even his tafseer, and that it is only attributed to him.
3 - As I have stated in my earlier post, people in the medical field themselves differ on this issue;
Given that the formation of muscle and bone are complex, multistep processes, I am not sure that it is very meaningful to ask which takes place first. We might define the first step in "bone formation" as the first expression of Cbfa1 (now Runx2) in mice. This gene is necessary for the determination of osteoblasts. Yet this occurs in an embryo in which there is already a cartilagenous model of the bone. Why wouldn't that be the first step in bone formation?
Similarly, we might define the first step in "muscle formation" as the expression of the muscle- specific bHLH (basic helix-loop-helix) proteins like MyoD, or the first fusions of myoblasts to form myotubes.
Depending on how we define the first step in muscle and bone formation, we will get different answers on which occurs first.
4 - Since the Qur'an is correct in so many other ways scientifically*, maybe scientists will prove in the future that bones do come first, before muscle?
In reality the bones and the flesh actually grow together and not as described in Surah 23:14. It might be worth asking when the skeleton forms according to Islamic teaching.
Chapter 1: THE GROWTH OF A CHILD IN THE WOMB OF A MOTHER AND HIS DESTINY IN REGARD TO HIS LIVELIHOOD, HIS DEEDS, BOTH GOOD AND EVIL
Book 033, Number 6390:
Abdullah (b. Mas'ud) reported that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) who is the most truthful (of the human beings) and his being truthful (is a fact) said: Verily your creation is on this wise. The constituents of one of you are collected for forty days in his mother's womb in the form of blood, after which it becomes a clot of blood in another period of forty days. Then it becomes a lump of flesh and forty days later Allah sends His angel to it with instructions concerning four things, so the angel writes down his livelihood, his death, his deeds, his fortune and misfortune. By Him, besides Whom there is no god, that one amongst you acts like the people deserving Paradise until between him and Paradise there remains but the distance of a cubit, when suddenly the writing of destiny overcomes him and he begins to act like the denizens of Hell and thus enters Hell, and another one acts in the way of the denizens of Hell, until there remains between him and Hell a distance of a cubit that the writing of destiny overcomes him and then he begins to act like the people of Paradise and enters Paradise.
According to this it is after 120 days, 3 periods of 40 days each, that the developing child comes to the end of the “lump of flesh” stage and would then, according to Surah 23:14, go on to form the bones. But in actuality the skeleton would have appeared before the end of 80 days.
Re: I have heard some people say that the Science in the Quran and other Islamic text
format_quote Originally Posted by Hiroshi
In reality the bones and the flesh actually grow together and not as described in Surah 23:14. It might be worth asking when the skeleton forms according to Islamic teaching. This hadith: http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/c...m/033.smt.html
In reality you're using a site that has been hijacked by Jews.. Do you not read in the title Muslim/Jewish student engagement? how about bringing us the original Arabic text and the scholarly commentary before imparting your own rendition?
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I know the Bible says Jesus was sent only to the Children of Israel does the Quran sa
I know the Bible says Jesus was sent only to the Children of Israel does the Quran say Jesus was only sent to Israel or at least mainly to the Israelites ?
Re: I know the Bible says Jesus was sent only to the Children of Israel does the Qura
48. "And He (Allaah) will teach him [‘Eesa (Jesus)] the Book and Al-Hikmah (i.e. the Sunnah, the faultless speech of the Prophets, wisdom), (and) the Tawraat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel).
49. And will make him [‘Eesa (Jesus)] a Messenger to the Children of Israel (saying): ‘I have come to you with a sign from your Lord, that I design for you out of clay, a figure like that of a bird, and breathe into it, and it becomes a bird by Allaah’s Leave; and I heal him who was born blind, and the leper, and I bring the dead to life by Allaah’s Leave. And I inform you of what you eat, and what you store in your houses. Surely, therein is a sign for you, if you believe.
50. ‘And I have come confirming that which was before me of the Tawraat (Torah), and to make lawful to you part of what was forbidden to you, and I have come to you with a proof from your Lord. So fear Allaah and obey me’”
[QS. Ali –‘Imraan 3:48-50]
And this is in the bible:
Matthew 5:17-18, Jesus(P) said:
“Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.”
Matthew 15:22-27.....But he answered and said, ‘I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel’....
Matthew 10:5-6“Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”
So it seems there are still some morsels of truth left in the bible among many fictions written by early scribes and priests.
Re: I know the Bible says Jesus was sent only to the Children of Israel does the Qura
Here you are some of the verses in Quran:
[Qur'an 61:6] Surah As-Saff : And remember Jesus the son of Mary said: "O Children of Israel! I am the apostle of Allah (sent) to you confirming the Law (which came) before me and giving glad Tidings of an Apostle to come after me whose name shall be Ahmad." But when he came to them with Clear Signs they said "This is evident sorcery!"
[Qur'an 3:45-51] Surah Ale-'Imran:
Behold! the angels said "O Mary! Allah giveth thee glad tidings of a Word from Him: his name will be Christ (Maseeh) Jesus the son of Mary held in honor in this world and the Hereafter and of (the company of) those nearest to Allah.
"He shall speak to the people in childhood and in maturity and he shall be (of the company) of the righteous."
She said: "O my Lord! how shall I have a son when no man hath touched me?" He said: "Even so: Allah createth what He willeth; when He hath decreed a plan He but saith to it 'Be' and it is!
"And Allah will teach him the Book and Wisdom the Law and the Gospel. "And (appoint him) an Apostle to the Children of Israel (with this message): I have come to you with a sign from your Lord in that I make for you out of clay as it were the figure of a bird and breathe into it and it becomes a bird by Allah's leave; and I heal those born blind and the lepers and I quicken the dead by Allah's leave; and I declare to you what ye eat and what ye store in your houses. Surely therein is a Sign for you if ye did believe. "(I have come to you) to attest the Law which was before me and to make lawful to you part of what was (before) forbidden to you; I have come to you with a Sign from your Lord. So fear Allah and obey me."It is Allah who is my Lord and your Lord; then worship Him. This is a way that is straight."
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