Do Muslims Rely More on Sahih Bukhari Ahadith than the Qur'an??? (OP)
Total number of traditions in 9 volumns of Bukhari are 7,000 plus. The number of hadiths collected and attributed to Prophet Muhammed (S) is in the hundreds of
thousands, approximately 700,000. And 99% of all these hundreds of thousands of hadiths are pure lies and fabrications which were rejected by the early Muslim scholars who thought they could figure out which hadith was authentic and which wasn't. Let us look at some of the other hadith collectors and what they collected.
(1) Malik bin Anas collected about 500 hadiths in his famous book, "Al-Muwattaa."
(2) Ahmed Ibn Hanbal, collected about 40,000 hadiths in his famous "Musnad". He chose these 40,000 hadiths from among 700,000 hadiths. In other words he thought 660,000 ahadith were un-proven lies and/or fabrications. That is, 94% lies and fabrications.
(3) Bukhari collected more than 600,000 hadiths and accepted 7,275 hadiths and considered 592,725 hadiths to be un-proven hadiths, lies and/or fabrications, that is almost 99% of what he collected.
(4)Muslem collected 300,000 hadiths and accepted only 4,000. He rejected about 296,000 which is almost 99% of his collected hadiths.
This should give an idea of how much corruption entered or tried to enter Islam from the back door.
Now we should understand why God promised to preserve, protect and safeguard His Book which is the ONLY authentic Hadith, the ONLY acceptable Hadith, the BEST HADITH - the Noble Quran. NO such guarantee was offered to the fabrications and lies of the fabricators and liars who claimed to 'improve' on the Book of Allah by 'explaining' it and called the Quran incomplete and undetailed and claimed that the Quran needs clarification by another book.
The Jews, more than a hundred year after Prophet Moses' death created Mishnah (hadith or narrations) and Gemarrah (sunna or actions). The Jews upheld these and the invented laws within them rather than the TORAH, the revealed Word of God Almighty.
Three hundred years after the passing away of Jesus, son of Virgin Mary, the Christians created the concept of trinity which is now the primary source of Christian belief in defiance of the original Bible which commanded the absolute worship of God Alone.
The Muslims, 150 to 200 years after the death of Prophet Muhammed (S), CREATED another source of their religion alongside the Noble Quran, the "Hadith & Sunnah" falsely attributed to the Prophet Muhammed in defiance of the Quran. Today most Muslims have discarded the Quran in favor of the Hadith & Sunnah.
When I first entered Islam it was by the grace of Allah and his words in the Holy Qur'an. I heard of the most elegant hadiths and found them to be very inspirational and motivating. Later on I found out other hadiths attributed to the Prophet (S), that were out of the character of Prophet Muhammed (S), and Islam. The sad thing is most Muslims would consider you kuffar for doubting or questioning Ahadith. You can go to just about any Masajid and the khutbahs will be from Ahadith and not the Qur'an. How can we say that Islam is religion of peace, and at the same time kill the apostates? I think Ahadith corrupt what Islam means...
My question is why do we blindly follow man-made hadiths over the word of the Lord of the Worlds?
You're contradicting yourself now. First you say that Hadiths in Bukhari are pure lies and now you're saying which do we rely on more. Make your mind up.
A general rule: Quran is our primary source as it's the word of Allah SWT. If something is explicitly mentioned in the Quran we don't need to turn to Hadith or the Sunnah of our Prophet. If something is inexplicit then we do. So tell me, which do we rely on more eh?
And when you say Hadith contradict the Quran, do you know Arabic? If not, then do not make such statements, unless you know Arabic to a very, very high degree, you cannot really comment on whether the hadith contradicts the Quran. In most cases of apparent contradiction, you find that the hadith is applied to a specific situation, while the Quran gives a general command. An example would be the establishment of prayer. The Quran says pray, ahadith provide the specifics. And don't turn back to the prayer being from generation to generation as you have no evidence that these were preserved as you have already mentioned.
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format_quote Originally Posted by Ghazalah
When something is ambiguous in the Quran where do we derive the meaning from?? The Hadeeth and Sunnah! The life of our Prophet PBUH. For you to reject the Hadith and Sunnah you might as well reject the Prophet himself!
I don't reject the Prophet (S), I erejected sayings and actions attributed to him that contradict his character or the Quran.
Re: Do Muslims Rely More on Sahih Bukhari Ahadith than the Qur'an???
format_quote Originally Posted by all4salam
I don't reject the Prophet (S), I erejected sayings and actions attributed to him that contradict his character or the Quran.
format_quote Originally Posted by Ghazalah
unless you know Arabic to a very, very high degree, you cannot really comment on whether the hadith contradicts the Quran. In most cases of apparent contradiction, you find that the hadith is applied to a specific situation, while the Quran gives a general command. An example would be the establishment of prayer. The Quran says pray, ahadith provide the specifics. And don't turn back to the prayer being from generation to generation as you have no evidence that these were preserved as you have already mentioned.
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format_quote Originally Posted by all4salam
I don't reject the Prophet (S), I erejected sayings and actions attributed to him that contradict his character or the Quran.
But you are in no position to judge which Hadith contradict the Quran. The scholars have done/are doing that, and you should leave this aspect of Islam to them. You're totally free (and in most cases, encouraged) to ask questions, get clarification, or disagree... But don't think you're qualified to make certain rulings like this.
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format_quote Originally Posted by Tyrion
But you are in no position to judge with Hadith contradict the Quran. The scholars have done/are doing that, and you should leave this aspect of Islam to them. You're free to ask questions, get clarification, or disagree... But don't think you're qualified to make certain rulings like this.
I'm not making a ruling on anything. I'm only saying that I believe in the Qur'an and that it is the infallible word of Allah subhana wa TaAllah, and I can't say that Imam Bukhari or any other comiler of hadith was infallible and free from error because they were only human.
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format_quote Originally Posted by all4salam
I'm not making a ruling on anything. I'm only saying that I believe in the Qur'an and that it is the infallible word of Allah subhana wa TaAllah, and I can't say that Imam Bukhari or any other comiler of hadith was infallible and free from error because they were only human.
Which means you reject the Shariah too? The Law of Allah?
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format_quote Originally Posted by all4salam
I don't reject the Prophet (S), I erejected sayings and actions attributed to him that contradict his character or the Quran.
this is something which you should look at yourself first to try and understand, are you constant in character?
do things happen in the way you would like? do events unfold as you planned?
behind character is the law of allah, it is constant and unchanging no matter how long the period of time is.. learn the rules so understanding becomes second nature.
i have seen many characters and even in there faults is the will of allah, in this is humbleness and the understanding of gods power and a subduing of that self importance that swells within us.
imagine a person that does not transgress bounds and yet is able to fight for freedom.. that was the way and that was the submission.. what do i deny of my lord? nothing, what can be done to me or by me that was not intended? if i saw you fight and spread that word would you like to be known as a fighter? if i saw you humiliated and i spread that word would you be happy? if i saw of you anything what would you like me to pass on?
...those are the words that he witheld not nor hid from us.. those are the most accurate and passed on in there entirety.
i dont know what is innovation and what is not, if you follow every hadith known to man.. it is only benificial if your action is accepted by allah swt.
i would say with some people there is only light, but that would not be understanding of how they wish to be understood.. i would say with you and i there is only light but we are nowhere near that level of selflessness.
im sure allah swt is aware of all losses.. and there losses will be similar to yours.. but only when you remember how not to get trolled into transgressing bounds.
Re: Do Muslims Rely More on Sahih Bukhari Ahadith than the Qur'an???
format_quote Originally Posted by all4salam
Total number of traditions in 9 volumns of Bukhari are 7,000 plus. The number of hadiths collected and attributed to Prophet Muhammed (S) is in the hundreds of
thousands, approximately 700,000. And 99% of all these hundreds of thousands of hadiths are pure lies and fabrications which were rejected by the early Muslim scholars who thought they could figure out which hadith was authentic and which wasn't. Let us look at some of the other hadith collectors and what they collected.
(1) Malik bin Anas collected about 500 hadiths in his famous book, "Al-Muwattaa."
(2) Ahmed Ibn Hanbal, collected about 40,000 hadiths in his famous "Musnad". He chose these 40,000 hadiths from among 700,000 hadiths. In other words he thought 660,000 ahadith were un-proven lies and/or fabrications. That is, 94% lies and fabrications.
(3) Bukhari collected more than 600,000 hadiths and accepted 7,275 hadiths and considered 592,725 hadiths to be un-proven hadiths, lies and/or fabrications, that is almost 99% of what he collected.
(4)Muslem collected 300,000 hadiths and accepted only 4,000. He rejected about 296,000 which is almost 99% of his collected hadiths.
This should give an idea of how much corruption entered or tried to enter Islam from the back door.
Now we should understand why God promised to preserve, protect and safeguard His Book which is the ONLY authentic Hadith, the ONLY acceptable Hadith, the BEST HADITH - the Noble Quran. NO such guarantee was offered to the fabrications and lies of the fabricators and liars who claimed to 'improve' on the Book of Allah by 'explaining' it and called the Quran incomplete and undetailed and claimed that the Quran needs clarification by another book.
The Jews, more than a hundred year after Prophet Moses' death created Mishnah (hadith or narrations) and Gemarrah (sunna or actions). The Jews upheld these and the invented laws within them rather than the TORAH, the revealed Word of God Almighty.
Three hundred years after the passing away of Jesus, son of Virgin Mary, the Christians created the concept of trinity which is now the primary source of Christian belief in defiance of the original Bible which commanded the absolute worship of God Alone.
The Muslims, 150 to 200 years after the death of Prophet Muhammed (S), CREATED another source of their religion alongside the Noble Quran, the "Hadith & Sunnah" falsely attributed to the Prophet Muhammed in defiance of the Quran. Today most Muslims have discarded the Quran in favor of the Hadith & Sunnah.
When I first entered Islam it was by the grace of Allah and his words in the Holy Qur'an. I heard of the most elegant hadiths and found them to be very inspirational and motivating. Later on I found out other hadiths attributed to the Prophet (S), that were out of the character of Prophet Muhammed (S), and Islam. The sad thing is most Muslims would consider you kuffar for doubting or questioning Ahadith. You can go to just about any Masajid and the khutbahs will be from Ahadith and not the Qur'an. How can we say that Islam is religion of peace, and at the same time kill the apostates? I think Ahadith corrupt what Islam means...
My question is why do we blindly follow man-made hadiths over the word of the Lord of the Worlds?
Following your logic, how do you justify following and believing the Qur'an?
There are well over 4,000 different religious scriptures in use in today's world. I am certain you would agree that only one of that number is true and that the other 3,999 are in error, or false or even out right lies. So using your logic please explain why you follow one Scripture the Qur'an, when you know that over 99.999% of the worlds written scripture are not proven to be true? It makes no difference how many are false. You follow that which is known to be true.
The same is with the Ahadith, there are many false writings alleged to be ahadith. That is the reason we only follow the ahadith with a high level of authenticity and reliability. It makes no difference of how many ahadith are false. All we need to know is that the ones we follow have been verified to be authenticate and reliable. If Even one Hadith could be proven true to you would you refuse to follow that Hadith? If 100 hundred were proven true how many of them would you reject. If 7,000 were proven true how many would you deny? Would it make any difference if there were 100,000,000 false ahadith, would you reject the Ahadith shown to you to be true?
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format_quote Originally Posted by Woodrow
So using your logic please explain why you follow one Scripture the Qur'an, when you know that over 99.999% of the worlds written scripture are not proven to be true?
Allah created us with a brain to use. I was guided to Islam by Allah's Mercy and His words in the Qur'an. I cannot find error in the words of Allah and I'm convinced that the Qur'an is true, with that being said it doesn't matter if the other religions are false I found truth in the Qur'an.
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format_quote Originally Posted by all4salam
Allah created us with a brain to use. I was guided to Islam by Allah's Mercy and His words in the Qur'an. I cannot find error in the words of Allah and I'm convinced that the Qur'an is true, with that being said it doesn't matter if the other religions are false I found truth in the Qur'an.
I agree fully with you that is also one of the reasons I came to Islam.
I was Muslim for nearly 2 years before I even read a hadith. That piqued my curiosity. and I went on a quest to learn more of the Ahadith. The first thing I learned is there are different levels of authenticity and reliability. The more witnesses report hearing and seeing the same things the greater the authenticity. Buhkari for example contains many repetitive hadith. the only difference being each is traced back to a different witness and passed on to a different narrator If each of the witnesses repeats the same quote verbatim as what they as individuals heard then there is very high reliability. If even one witnesses claims to have heard it slightly different the reliability declines. To understand if we have reason to accept a hadith as being exactly what the Prophet(PBUH) said we need to search through the chain of narrators and see if there is sufficient evidence to prove it is what the Prophet(PBUH) said. this is why so many hadith are not proven true. In those cases it can only be traced back to one person. While it can not be proven true that does not automatically prove it is false. So even the unproven ahadith are preserved, in the event that one day they may be proven authenticate.
Most of us who read the ahadith only read the Ahadith of Bhukari, Muslim, Dawud and Malik. At this time I have yet to get further than Bhukari. Yes he did reject nearly all of the ahadith he collected as he was not able to establish an unbroken chain of reliability and authenticity for them. The unselected ahadith may or may not be true. But there is no proof they are true so we do not accept them as having been spoken by Muhammad.
Verfying and authenticating ahadith is a very tedious job. I believe at the present time less than 10% of all known ahadith have been thoroughly examined and only a small number have met the criteria for being the actual words spoken by Muhammad(PBUH)
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format_quote Originally Posted by Woodrow
Verfying and authenticating ahadith is a very tedious job. I believe at the present time less than 10% of all known ahadith have been thoroughly examined and only a small number have met the criteria for being the actual words spoken by Muhammad(PBUH)
Efforts began being made to corrupt Islam during the lifetime of Prophet Muhammad when the hypocrites started spreading lies and misinformation during his lifetime. These people who invented lies were the enemies of God Almighty and the Prophet. Their fabricated stories were very systematically spread among the people who had never met or seen Prophet.
And among those around you of the wandering Arabs there are hypocrites, and among the townspeople of Al-Madinah (there are some who) persist in hypocrisy whom thou (O Muhammad) knowest not. We, We know them, and We shall chastise them twice; then they will be relegated to a painful doom. 9:101
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format_quote Originally Posted by all4salam
Efforts began being made to corrupt Islam during the lifetime of Prophet Muhammad when the hypocrites started spreading lies and misinformation during his lifetime. These people who invented lies were the enemies of God Almighty and the Prophet. Their fabricated stories were very systematically spread among the people who had never met or seen Prophet.
And among those around you of the wandering Arabs there are hypocrites, and among the townspeople of Al-Madinah (there are some who) persist in hypocrisy whom thou (O Muhammad) knowest not. We, We know them, and We shall chastise them twice; then they will be relegated to a painful doom. 9:101
The Sahaba [companions of Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him)] were aware of who the Hypocrites were;
1) During the lifetime of Prophet Muhammad, people were aware which hypocrites lied against him. And if they were unsure, they could ask Prophet Muhammad himself if what the hypocrite said is true.
2) After the battle of Tabuk, people became aware of which hypocrites stayed behind from the long battle. So their hypocrisy became exposed for all.
3) After Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) passed away, the Companions knew which hypocrites remained in society.
4)
The Sahaba actually knew who the munafiqeen [hypocrites] were and wouldn't go to them for hadith.
Al-Hafith Al-Mizzi mentions there is not a single narration in which the companion that relates the hadith has been accused of hypocrisy.
The Salaf [early generations] were pretty familiar with who was a hypocrite specifically, and their names exist today.
Ibn Ishaq mentions that from the Aws tribe there was; Zawa bin Al-Harith, Jallas bin Suwaid bin Al-Samit, his brother Harith, Bajad bin Uthman bin Amer, Nabtal bin Al-Harith, Abu Habeeba bin Al-Az'ar, Abbad bin Haneef, Amru bin Haram, Abdullah bin Nabtal, Jariya bin Amer, Yazeed bin Jariya, Majma'a bin Jariya, Wadee'a bin Thabit... and the list goes on and on... and I haven't even gotten past Al-Aws and into Al-Khazraj yet, nor did I mention the Jews that Ibn Ishaq and Ibn Hisham mention.
Of course, another thing to take into consideration is that the ratio of actual companions to hypocrites is a really large one. It wouldn't be an exaggeration to say that it is at least [true believers Sahaba]1000:1 [hypocrite], so the chances of them narrating ahadith are pretty unlikely, especially when taking into consideration the number of hadiths that are related by those that specialized in the field. (i.e. Abu Huraira and Ai'sha)
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Assalaam Alaikum Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakatuh,
It is known that when such events as take place among groups of people are related individually and not contradicted by others, this indicates the veracity of the reports. For by virtue of his very nature, man is inclined to call a lie a lie. In particular if the people in question were the Sahabees(RA) who were more intolerant of lies than anyone else, if the incidents concerned Allah’s Noble Messenger (Upon whom be blessings and peace), and if the narrator was a renowned Sahabee(RA), then certainly the narrator gives his report on behalf of all who witnessed the incident. Many hadiths were transmitted through many channels, entrusted by many Sahabees(RA) to thousands of precise scholars of the following generation, who in turn passed them down, authentically, to the great interpreters of the Law of the second century. They too received them with complete seriousness and reverence, accepted them, then handed them down to the exacting scholars of succeeding centuries. Thus the traditions have reached our times, passing through thousands of strong, reliable hands. Moreover, the texts of Hadiths written down in the Era of Bliss, the era of the Prophet, were handed down in accurate form till they reached the brilliant scholars of the science of Hadith like Bukhari and Muslim. And they, through punctilious examination and classification, collected together those of the Hadiths that were undoubtedly authentic, and presented and taught them to us.
Total number of traditions in 9 volumns of Bukhari are 7,000 plus. The number of hadiths collected and attributed to Prophet Muhammed (S) is in the hundreds of
thousands, approximately 700,000. And 99% of all these hundreds of thousands of hadiths are pure lies and fabrications which were rejected by the early Muslim scholars who thought they could figure out which hadith was authentic and which wasn't. Let us look at some of the other hadith collectors and what they collected.
(1) Malik bin Anas collected about 500 hadiths in his famous book, "Al-Muwattaa."
(2) Ahmed Ibn Hanbal, collected about 40,000 hadiths in his famous "Musnad". He chose these 40,000 hadiths from among 700,000 hadiths. In other words he thought 660,000 ahadith were un-proven lies and/or fabrications. That is, 94% lies and fabrications.
(3) Bukhari collected more than 600,000 hadiths and accepted 7,275 hadiths and considered 592,725 hadiths to be un-proven hadiths, lies and/or fabrications, that is almost 99% of what he collected.
(4)Muslem collected 300,000 hadiths and accepted only 4,000. He rejected about 296,000 which is almost 99% of his collected hadiths.
This should give an idea of how much corruption entered or tried to enter Islam from the back door.
Now we should understand why God promised to preserve, protect and safeguard His Book which is the ONLY authentic Hadith, the ONLY acceptable Hadith, the BEST HADITH - the Noble Quran. NO such guarantee was offered to the fabrications and lies of the fabricators and liars who claimed to 'improve' on the Book of Allah by 'explaining' it and called the Quran incomplete and undetailed and claimed that the Quran needs clarification by another book.
The Jews, more than a hundred year after Prophet Moses' death created Mishnah (hadith or narrations) and Gemarrah (sunna or actions). The Jews upheld these and the invented laws within them rather than the TORAH, the revealed Word of God Almighty.
Three hundred years after the passing away of Jesus, son of Virgin Mary, the Christians created the concept of trinity which is now the primary source of Christian belief in defiance of the original Bible which commanded the absolute worship of God Alone.
The Muslims, 150 to 200 years after the death of Prophet Muhammed (S), CREATED another source of their religion alongside the Noble Quran, the "Hadith & Sunnah" falsely attributed to the Prophet Muhammed in defiance of the Quran. Today most Muslims have discarded the Quran in favor of the Hadith & Sunnah.
When I first entered Islam it was by the grace of Allah and his words in the Holy Qur'an. I heard of the most elegant hadiths and found them to be very inspirational and motivating. Later on I found out other hadiths attributed to the Prophet (S), that were out of the character of Prophet Muhammed (S), and Islam. The sad thing is most Muslims would consider you kuffar for doubting or questioning Ahadith. You can go to just about any Masajid and the khutbahs will be from Ahadith and not the Qur'an. How can we say that Islam is religion of peace, and at the same time kill the apostates? I think Ahadith corrupt what Islam means...
My question is why do we blindly follow man-made hadiths over the word of the Lord of the Worlds?
“An hour’s reflective thought is better than a year’s worship” Hadith
"We Muslims, who are students of the Qur’an, follow proof; we approach the truths of belief through reason, thought, and our hearts. " Bediuzzaman Said Nursi
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format_quote Originally Posted by selsebil
Thus the traditions have reached our times, passing through thousands of strong, reliable hands.
1) Sahih al-Bukhari (ref: 7.590), narrated Anas:
The climate of Medina did not suit some people, so the Prophet ordered them to proceed along with his shepherd, i.e. his camels, and drink their milk and urine (as medicine). So they proceded along with the shepherd i.e. the camels, and drank their milk and urine till their bodies became healthy. Then they killed the shepherd and drove away the camels. When the news reached the Prophet (pbuh) he sent some people in their pursuit. When they were brought, he cut their hands and feet and their eyes were branded with heated pieces of iron.
2) Sahih al-Bukhari (ref: 7.252/253/254) narrated Um Salama and Um Atiyya:
A woman was bereaved of her husband and her relatives worried about her eyes (which were diseased). They came to Allah's Messenger and asked him to allow them to treat her eyes with kohl (antimony eye powder), but he said, "[...]nay, she cannot use kohl till four months and ten days have elapsed."
3) Sahih al-Bukhari (Ref: 9.130) Narrated Anas bin Malik:
Allah's Messenger used to visit Um Haram bint Milhan and she was the wife of Ubada bin As-Samit. One day the Prophet visited her and she provided him with food and started looking for lice in his head. Then Allah's Messenger slept and afterwards woke up smiling[...]
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Why do you assume that either all Sahih Hadiths should be rejected or all of them should be accepted? Why not judge each Hadith based on its individual merit according to all the available data about its Isnad, its Transmitters, and so on?
And anyway how can you claim that several thousand sahih hadiths are necessarily false while you cite only a few sahih hadiths which have debatable contents? Is this not generalization from scanty data?
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format_quote Originally Posted by Ghazalah
Why do you assume that either all Sahih Hadiths should be rejected or all of them should be accepted?
Sahih al-Bukhari (ref: 7.252/253/254) narrated Um Salama and Um Atiyya:
A woman was bereaved of her husband and her relatives worried about her eyes (which were diseased). They came to Allah's Messenger and asked him to allow them to treat her eyes with kohl (antimony eye powder), but he said, "[...]nay, she cannot use kohl till four months and ten days have elapsed."
This is a Sahih Hadith, This is the ammunition the kuffar hurl at Muslims. They can not attack the religion by using Qur'an, only these senseless hadith. This particular hadith which is considered to be "authentic", portrays the Prophet (S) as cruel and not affect by the womans' plight.
Hadith on congregational salaat carrying more blessings:
The salat (ritual prayer) performed in congregations is 27 times superior to the salat performed individually. [Bukhari Ezan, Muslim Mescid, Muvatta Jamaat]
You may consider this hadith not in contradiction with the Quran, nor in conflict with another hadith or is in any way illogical; yet you may be sure that it is a contrived hadith, for there is no such information in the Quran. There are also hadiths that say that the salat offered after having performed one’s ablutions using the miswak ( toothbrush made with wooden stick) is 27 times or 70 times superior to the salat offered with ablutions performed with one’s turban on. Needless to say, this cannot possibly be accepted by anyone in their right mind.
Hadith totally false Hadith on killing black dogs:
Kill all the black dogs for they are Satan personified. [Hanbal]
In Sura, The Cave (Al-Kahf) youth and dogs are mentioned. The youth in question are praised and there is absolutely nothing against the dog. In the light of those beautiful verses of Surah Al-Kahf, such illogical hadiths must be trashed right away. Since this hadith introduces into the religion something that the Quran does not mention, it must be counted out, so should all the hadiths that speak against dogs. Such hadiths lead some people to consider dogs as unclean and the most faithful of animals have been outcast. It is also worth mentioning here that such hostile Hadiths against dogs contradicts another Hadith. Thus, Hadith contradicting Hadith. For example, there is one Hadith that categorically states that during the lifetime of the Prophet, dogs wandered in the mosques.
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All4salam,
I see you've still failed to reply to the simple question that I asked you. I take this as indication that you cannot answer it, thus there is really no reason for anyone to engage you in a discussion because you clearly lack the knowledge and understanding to be speaking on these matters. If you cannot understand the verse in Arabic even enough to know where it is located in the Qur'an, it speaks volumes about your level of knowledge and familiarity with the Qur'an itself.
بل كذبوا بما لم يحيطوا بعلمه
{Rather, they have denied that which they encompass not in knowledge...}10:39
“Do not argue with your Lord on behalf of your soul, rather argue with your soul on behalf of your Lord.” - Dhul-Nun
"It is the very pursuit of happiness that thwarts happiness." - Victor Frankl
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^I agree with Murad. All4salam you're picking and choosing what you want to reply to. Not only brother Murads post have been ignored a few of mine have too. Like I said before, you must know very high degree of Arabic, to say hadeeth contradicts Quran or lies. I suggest you should educate yourself more on this issue with an open mind. Once you have a little bit more knowledge then we can have a discussion
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In the Qur'an, Allaah quotes the Prophet (saw) as saying:
وإذ أسر النبي إلى بعض أزواجه حديثا فلما نبأت به وأظهره الله عليه عرف بعضه وأعرض عن بعض فلما نبأها به قالت من أنبأك هذا قال نبأني العليم الخبير
All I want you to do is provide me the verse in the Qur'an where the Prophet (saw) was informed about the situation the above verse is talking about.
The result is going to be one of two:
1) You will provide me the verse
2) You will not provide me the verse
If you provide me the verse, I will agree with you.
If you do not, then you will have admitted that the Prophet (saw) received a revelation other than the Qur'an thus forfeiting your position that there is no Divine source for the Sunnah and Hadeeth.
قل هاتوا برهانكم إن كنتم صادقين
Your argument is flat akh... Since you adhere and cling to the hadith so tightly..... Would you let your 6 year old daughter marry the most pious of any Muslim man who was 40? huh??? That is Sunnah right? Of course if a fly falls in your drink you dip it, then eat it right? These hadiths are what has the Ummah divided. What makes the Christians claim of authenticity of the Gospels less valid than people who insist that ALL hadithed deemed Sahih is the verbatum actions, saying, etc of Rasulullah (S) no matter what the Qur'an says otherwise.
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