Is circumcise permitted according to quran?

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format_quote Originally Posted by Hulk

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Circumcision is sunnah, its a huge priority though. As you can clean your prive parts better then. Circumcision doesnt have to happen if you are just born, it can happen after you are born until you have reached puberty.

More babies die of other causes than by circumcision. And the reason why the babies die it is most likely there is not enough cleaniness or its done with a dirty surgery instrument. Not by the circumcision itself.

format_quote Originally Posted by dudeguy

I am a Quran only Muslim.

If you follow the Qur'an, then you need to follow those parts that tell you to follow the sunnah too.

Read from here onwards:

http://www.islamicboard.com/quran/13...ml#post1566669

and lots of excellent articles here on the sunnah and hadeeth:

http://www.islamicboard.com/clarific...ml#post1542902

First of all people should not be quoting Quran or Hadith without context! This is a disservice to everyone. One should be careful in quoting the words of Allah swt and his messenger sallalahu aleyhi wasalaam. Don't just give one ayat by itself, tell what came before and after the ayat, and stop being so lazy as to only quote the surah and ayat numbers. My goodness. You want to make a point? make it properly.

Quran thumping is just as bad as bible thumping! I could write a book on this and perhaps one day I will, insha ALlah.

Allah gave everybody intellect, so USE IT! The Quran doesn't tell you (I'm addressing the ones questioning) how to go to the bathroom and clean up properly does it? The Quran doesn't tell you how to do very basic things, yet somehow you learned how to do them. Who thought you??

Allah has blessed us with great examples to follow. He has blessed us with the best of men, our prophets and messengers (peace be upon them all), so that we may learn from them, beginning with Adam (a.s), who was thought by Allah swt, the names of everything.

Prophet Ibrahim (a.s.) was very special and in order to understand that you would have to study his story many times over. It was prophet Ibrahim(a.s.) who was commanded to circumcise himself and his offspring to mark the covenant between him and Allah (This story can be found in the book of genisis). We continue this sunnah until this day. In the Quran In Surah Al-Nahl (chapter 16), you can read that Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w) was told to follow the religion of Ibrahim, and circumcision was part of the religion of Ibrahim (a.s).

(120. Verily, Ibrahim was (himself) an Ummah, obedient to Allah, a Hanif (monotheist), and he was not one of the idolators.) (121. (He was) thankful for His favors. He (Allah) chose him and guided him to a straight path.) (122. And We gave him good in this world, and in the Hereafter he shall be of the righteous.) (123. Then, We have sent the revelation to you: "Follow the religion of Ibrahim (he was a) Hanif, and he was not one of the idolators.'')

Here is the tafsir Ibn Kathir for these ayat:

وَلَقَدْ ءَاتَيْنَآ إِبْرَهِيمَ رُشْدَهُ مِن قَبْلُ وَكُنَّا بِهِ عَـلِمِينَ ﴾ (And before, We indeed gave Ibrahim his integrity, and We were indeed most knowledgeable about him)(21:51). Then Allah says: ﴿وَهَدَاهُ إِلَى صِرَطٍ مُّسْتَقِيمٍ﴾ (and guided him to a straight path.) which means to worship Allah alone, without partners or associate, in the manner that He prescribed and which pleases Him. ﴿وَءاتَيْنَـهُ فِى الْدُّنْيَا حَسَنَةً﴾ (And We gave him good in this world,) meaning, `We granted him all that a believer may require for a good and complete life in this world.' ﴿وَإِنَّهُ فِى الاٌّخِرَةِ لَمِنَ الصَّـلِحِينَ﴾ (and in the Hereafter he shall be of the righteous.) Concerning the Ayah: ﴿وَءاتَيْنَـهُ فِى الْدُّنْيَا حَسَنَةً﴾ (And We gave him good in this world,) Mujahid said: "This means a truthful tongue.'' ﴿ثُمَّ أَوْحَيْنَآ إِلَيْكَ أَنِ اتَّبِعْ مِلَّةَ إِبْرَهِيمَ حَنِيفًا﴾ (Then, We have sent the revelation to you: "Follow the religion of Ibrahim (he was a) Hanif. ..) meaning, `because of his perfection, greatness, and the soundness of his Tawhid and his way, We revealed to you, O Seal of the Messengers and Leader of the Prophets ,' ﴿أَنِ اتَّبِعْ مِلَّةَ إِبْرَهِيمَ حَنِيفًا وَمَا كَانَ مِنَ الْمُشْرِكِينَ﴾ (Follow the religion of Ibrahim (he was a) Hanif and he was not of the idolators.) This is like the Ayah in Surat Al-An`am: ﴿قُلْ إِنَّنِى هَدَانِى رَبِّى إِلَى صِرَطٍ مُّسْتَقِيمٍ دِينًا قِيَمًا مِّلَّةَ إِبْرَاهِيمَ حَنِيفًا وَمَا كَانَ مِنَ الْمُشْرِكِينَ ﴾ (Say: "Truly, my Lord has guided me to a straight path, a right religion, the religion of Ibrahim, (he was a) Hanif and he was not of the idolators.'') (6:161).

So I mean, do you really need Allah to address you personally and tell you to circumcise?

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format_quote Originally Posted by dudeguy

Circumcision isn't even mentioned in Quran.
Quran says God created humans perfect. Hadith says body modifications are haram. Isn't it right of the person to decide himself? Circumcision can be delayed till adulthood when a person can give consent. If god wants to remove a body part, why did he create it. Don't compare foreskin with things like pigs, they are not attached to human body and it isn't painful to get away from them.

As for the scientific reasons, it is estimated about 1 in 10,000 babies die due to circumcision bleeding and infection in USA. If you think circumcision does not causes death, you are living in an imaginary world. This is only about death, many more must lose significant part of penis.
UTI penis cancer and cervical cancer are very rare and very safe compared to circumcision. Many studies show circumcision reduces them and many studies show otherwise.
Circumcision does not increases pleasure as it removes most sensitive part of man's body.
The biggest reason to circumcise is given 3 randomized trials about STDs. Drugs are not tested that way. Test group is given a placebo (fake drug) and they see if the real drug works comparatively better than the placebo. the studies were conducted for a short period of time (about 2 years), where circumcised men had to abstinence for healing period. According to the same trials circumcised men were catching up with others. The three trials give significantly different results from each other (60 56 51 %). It is not proven circumcision of children reduces STD. Children don't get STDs same way as adults.

Circumcision for men is obligatory. How can matters of halal and haram be left to the whim of a human being??

In Al-Bukhari and Muslim it says that the Messenger said:

The (characteristics of) the fitrah are five: circumcision, shaving the pubic hair, trimming the moustache, cutting the fingernails and plucking the armpit hairs.

It also says in Al-Bukhari and Muslim the Messenger said:

"The Prophet Ibrahim (peace be upon him) was circumcisized when he was eighty (years old)"

Question: Could you tell us what circumcision is and how and where it is done?.

Answer:

Praise be to Allaah.

Ibn al-Qayyim (may Allaah have mercy on him) wrote a useful book on the rulings concerning the newborn, which he called Tuhfat al-Mawdood fi Ahkaam al-Mawlood. In this book he wrote an extensive chapter in which he spoke of circumcision and the rulings thereon. The following is a summary of that, with additional comments from some other scholars.

1 – The meaning of circumcision (khitaan):

Ibn al-Qayyim said:

Khitaan is a noun describing the action of the circumciser (khaatin). It is also used to describe the site of the circumcision, as in the hadeeth, “When the two circumcised parts (al-khitaanaan) meet, ghusl become obligatory.” In the case of a female the word used is khafad. In the male it is also called i’dhaar. The one who is uncircumcised is called aghlaf or aqlaf.

Tuhfat al-Mawlood, 1/152

2 – Circumcision is the Sunnah of Ibraaheem and the Prophets after him:

Al-Bukhaari (6298) and Muslim (2370) narrated that Abu Hurayrah (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Ibraaheem (peace be upon him) circumcised himself when he was eighty years old, and he circumcised himself with an adze.”

An adze (qadoom) is a carpenter’s tool; it was also said that al-Qadoom is a place is Syria.

Al-Haafiz ibn Hajar said:

It is most likely that what is referred to in the hadeeth is the tool. Abu Ya’laa narrated that ‘Ali ibn Rabaah said: “Ibraaheem was commanded to circumcise himself, so he circumcised himself with an adze and it was very painful for him. Then Allaah revealed to him saying, “You rushed to do it before We told you what tool to use.” He said, “O Lord, I did not want to delay obeying Your command.”

Ibn al-Qayyim said:

Circumcision was one of the things with which Allaah tested Ibraaheem, His Close Friend. He did them perfectly so Allaah made him a leader of mankind. It was narrated that he was the first one who was circumcised, as mentioned above. What it says in al-Saheeh is that Ibraaheem circumcised himself when he was eighty years old. After him, circumcision continued among the Messengers and their followers, even the Messiah. He was circumcised and the Christians affirm that, and do not deny that, as they also affirm that he was forbidden the flesh of pigs…

Tuhfat al-Mawdood, p. 158-159

But the scholars (may Allaah have mercy on them) differed as to the ruling on circumcision.

Shaykh Ibn ‘Uthaymeen (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:

The most correct view is that it is obligatory in the case of men and Sunnah in the case of women. The difference between them is that in the case of men, it serves an interest which has to do with one of the conditions of prayer, namely purity (tahaarah), because if the foreskin remains, when the urine comes out of the urethra, some of it will collect there, and this causes burning and infection every time the person moves, and every time the foreskin is squeezed, some drops of urine come out, thus causing najaasah (impurity).

In the case of women, it serves a useful purpose which is to reduce desire. This is seeking perfection, not removing something harmful.

Al-Sharh al-Mumti’, 1/133-134

This is the view of Imam Ahmad (may Allaah have mercy on him). Ibn Quddamah said in al-Mughni (1/115): As for circumcision, it is obligatory for men and it is good in the case of woman, but it is not obligatory for them.

3 – Ibn al-Qayyim (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:

Abu’l-Barakaat said in his book al-Ghaayah: In circumcision of a man, the skin at the tip of the penis (the foreskin) is removed; if he only removes most of it, that is permissible. It is mustahabb to circumcise females provided that is not done in an extreme manner. It was narrated that ‘Umar said to a woman who circumcised females, “Leave some of it if you circumcise (a girl).” Al-Khallaal said in his Jaami’: What is cut when circumcising: Muhammad ibn al-Husayn told me that al-Fadl ibn Ziyaad told them: Ahmad was asked, How much should be cut in circumcision? He said, Until the glans (tip of the penis) becomes visible.

Ibn al-Sabbaagh said in al-Shaamil: What is obligatory in the case of a man is to cut the skin on the tip of the penis until the entire glans becomes visible. In the case of a woman, it means cutting the skin that looks like the comb of a rooster at the top of the vagina, between the two labia; if it is cut the base of it should be left like a date pit.

Al-Nawawi (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:

The well-known correct view is that everything covering the glans must be cut.

Al-Majmoo’, 1/351

Al-Juwayni said:

The hadeeth indicates that not too much of it should be removed (in the case of women), because he said, “Leave something sticking out and do not go to extremes in cutting.”

Tuhfat al-Mawdood, 190-192

The point is that in the case of males, all the skin covering the tip of the penis should be cut, but in the case of females only a part of the skin that is like a rooster’s comb at the top of the vagina should be cut.

4 – The wisdom behind circumcision

With regard to a man, he cannot be clean from urine unless he is circumcised, because drops of urine collect underneath the foreskin and he cannot be sure that they will not drip and make his clothes and body impure. Hence ‘Abd-Allaah ibn ‘Abbaas was very strict on the issue of circumcision. Imam Ahmad said: Ibn ‘Abbaas was very strict on this matter, and it was narrated that there is no Hajj and no prayer for him, i.e., if a person is not circumcised his Hajj and prayer are not valid. Al-Mughni, 1/115

With regard to the wisdom behind the circumcision of women, it is to regulate their desire so it will be moderate.

Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah (may Allaah have mercy on him) was asked about whether women should be circumcised or not. He replied:

Praise be to Allaah. Yes, they should be circumcised, i.e., the top of the piece of skin that looks like a rooster’s comb should be cut. The Messenger of Allaah (S) said to the woman who did circumcisions: “Leave something sticking out and do not go to extremes in cutting. That makes her face look brighter and is more pleasing to her husband.” That is because the purpose of circumcising a man is to make him clean from the impurity that may collect beneath the foreskin. But the purpose of circumcising women is to regulate their desire, because if a woman is not circumcised her desire will be strong. Hence the words “O son of an uncircumcised woman” are used as an insult, because the uncircumcised woman has stronger desire. Hence immoral actions are more common among the women of the Tatars and the Franks, that are not found among the Muslim women. If the circumcision is too severe, the desire is weakened altogether, which is unpleasing for men; but if it is cut without going to extremes in that, the purpose will be achieved, which is moderating desire. And Allaah knows best.

Majmoo’ al-Fataawa, 21/114

5 – It is permissible to pay money for circumcision.

Ibn Qudaamah said:

It is permissible to pay money for circumcision and for medical treatment. We do not know of any difference of opinion on this matter, because it is doing something that is needed and which is allowed in sharee’ah. So it is permissible to pay money for it, like all other permissible actions.

Al-Mughni, 5/314.

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format_quote Originally Posted by dudeguy

I am a Quran only Muslim. After reading this post many of you will start posting about I'm misguided, hadith rejector and kafir. I'm a misguided fool, but you are very wise and intelligent people, you know many things about Islam that I don't know, so how can you not only let this happen but also support it.

You'll reject the hadeeth of the Messenger who was sent by Allah to inform you of your religion but you'll accept scientific views from another human being?