Need the truth.What's right and what's wrong? (Muslims Only)

**Gintoki** · 04-08-2013

Hello.
I was born in a muslim family,they have a strong belief in God.I once had a strong belief,used to pray and such. I don't know why i had a strong belief,maybe i was a kid and believed everything easily,but i once saw 'Allah' written in the sky in clouds form. I still think to this day i was just imagining things,but i know that's the not true because apparently i was out that time,and many people were like taking pictures of it. Then i stopped praying,Mainly because I'm a lazy person.( was like 10 around that time.)2 or 3 years ago i started thinking 'what if' there's no God. I don't really know why i started thinking like that,but just so it happen. As a year passed by,then i questioned that if the muslims are indeed wrong? Maybe there's no God at all? What if the religions are just a fairy tale made by people? What if there's no heaven or hell? What if there's no afterlife and once you die,it's the end of everything.It is said that God is nice,but explain the suffering in this world like murder and rape. I know some people are going to say this life is a test. But my point is does God enjoy these things? If he was kind He wouldn't let have let these things happen now would He?During this time,i was also in the phase of depression. Last year later had a panic attack while masturbating and my anxiety started since then. Some of that anxiety is about if Islam is true or not,also some other things. Which made me questioned more about my religion. So i guess I'm a Atheist/Agnostic at the moment. I would wish to believe there's a God and an afterlife but it's hard to believe so. That's enough of the back story about me.

Now my problems with Islam which i would like to discuss.
First thing first,How do you Muslims know that your religion is the correct one? They are many religions out there,and they think they are right and such. Some Muslims are going to say that Islam is the correct one and Quran is a miracle. Allah send signs,the scientific evidence and etc. Anyone would research their religion and find that their religion is correct. According to what i read on the internet,some atheists are saying that these scientific evidence was long discovered before islam by the greeks.

It's unfair for non-muslims to be born in a non-muslim family. I already know some people are going to say that Allah sends them signs about Quran in some way. But the fact ismsome are going to ignore it as they are already brainwashed from their family that their current religion is correct. Why would they even give a chance to islam when they are already brainwashed? Or some people might not even heard about Quran in their entire life. One of the points why i think Quran is man-made.( No offence to you muslims.)

Even believing in Angels and the devils is harder. Devil whispers in our ears to make us do bad deeds? Really?

Secondly, the Adam and Eve story. So the world was created because Adam ate the forbidden apple.......Seriously? No matter how you look at it,it sounds like a some fairy tale story similar to Santa Claus or unocrns,of course to us non-believers...Some people are going to bring up the arguement that where did we humans come from? To Muslims it's Adam and Eve. But as my counter-arguement,one word 'Evolution'. Atleast that's what atheists believe. Even the apes and humans DNA are 98% the same. Science has proven that we can't have come from Adam and Eve. A while ago i even read an article of old skeletons skull structure being the same as apes. Don't tell me it's false or i will facepalm myself so hard my nose breaks. Even some scientists believe that's there's a 50% chance there's no God,if you research into the creation of universe,there's a chance that world was made by a mere coincidence.

Thirdly,the concept of hell. This one is disturbing me alot. So half of the population was made to be roasted in hell? Eternal hell for not being a Muslim? Then maybe God should have us more proofs if He truly loved us,that is if He exists. According to some comments i read here,It's offensive to God for not believing him with all the clear proofs send. Well,if He was all-loving he wouldn't want people to burn in hell and that too eternally. In daily life If a person was to get burned on anywhere on the part of his body,he would be in pain. He can't survive a day without the pain. But eternal hell? A person would go insane. No normal unbeliever deserves that kind of punishment. But maybe those people who liked murdering and raping people deserve it. But normal unbelievers? No. But this contradicts the nature of God. It is said according to you Muslims,that he is the most merciful and kind. But that doesn't seem like that to me. Cause if he was he wouldn't make half of the population JUST to burn in hell. And Muslims are not in majority in the world.

A square circle is impossible because it contradicts it's very nature. A square has four sides,a circle has infinite. God is impossible because He contradicts His very nature. God is described as fair and just,but creates infinite punishment for finite sins. This is a pretty and vengeful God. God is described as infinitely loving,but he allows millionns of children to starve every day. He has the power to stop it,but He does nothing. Again life is a test? Really? So this all is a game to Him and watch us suffer as His entertainment?

Another question,if there's an atheist who died at the age of 17.(My friend is at her dying bed)Would she burn in hell? She could have reverted to Islam.

I listened to many Dr. Zakir Naik lectures and some part of me get convinced. But after few days my mind returns to the atheist/agnostic mind set.

Another question, after this world ends,another world would emerge,and process will continue with new people....this process will keep on repeating...this doesn't make sense.

I said it before and i will say it again, I wish to believe there's a God but i find it hard to believe. But I'm hoping someone can convince me and show me the truth.

Will update thread if anything new comes to my mind.
Thanks.

**Jalal~** · 04-09-2013

Originally Posted by Gintoki

Keep in mind I'm talking about those innocent non-muslims,Not the ones who commit murder and rape.

remember, murder and rape are not the only sins in the world. stealing, cheating, fornicating, drinking beer are also sins in many religions, but people still partake in these sins. if you live in the west, you will surely know how some people spend friday and saturday nights...

But anyways, You do mention many times that Allah is not merciful for letting people starve to death, and for letting people get murdered or raped. But if there was no God, then who would bring Justice to these innocent people? If there was no God, there wouldn't be much order on the universe. I could easily steal money from a bank, rape as many women as I would like, then chill in prison with a roof over my head and 3 square meals a day. Then I would eventually die, and then what? According to your beliefs, nothing would happen to me, because I wouldn't get punished since their is no afterlife!

But once you read about the attributes of Allah, you will surely see he is the most Just. He is the one who will proportion out everyone's reward and punishment. Even if their are people who are starving, their is surely someone out their with enough power and money to bring relief to these people. And Allah will ask that person why they didn't help them, why they hoarded all their money in a bank. And when they can't reply, then who knows, maybe all of their good deeds will transfer over to the starved, deprived people, and there you go! those poor people have finally received their justice, when it really matters.

Please brothers and sisters, please do tell me if i have stated anything wrong or incorrectly, especially in my last paragraph. I dont want to make any errors and convey the wrong message if you know what im saying

**IAmZamzam** · 04-09-2013

Without suffering there could be no compassion. Or courage or perseverance. Or self-improvement for the most part. It's only in the crucible where the impurities are burned away.

**NjmYqlb** · 04-09-2013

Originally Posted by Gintoki

I don't know myself. But all i know is that i must clear my doubts in order to be open minded. My primary motivation in life is nothing,just going with the flow. Will i have to pray to God in order for Him to give me guidance or i can just straightly ask Him?

As far as i know, yes, you can just ask him straight. God hears all, if you ask him sincerely, God willing, he will guide you.

**Amat Allah** · 04-09-2013

Originally Posted by Gintoki

the question about how Non-Muslims will go to hell including the good ones

listen to this and In Shaa Allah you will find the answer...

http://www.islamicboard.com/islamic-...ople-hell.html

May Allah lead your way to the path of the endless happiness Aameen

**IbnAbdulHakim** · 04-09-2013

we really need to sit dwn in a cafe and discuss this such a long topic.

your neglect of salaah lead to whispers from satan which lead to your misunderstanding of the worlds situation and finally your neglecting of the creator.

that is the extremely summarised version of a 2 hour chat over some tea.

**Gintoki** · 04-09-2013

Originally Posted by Good brother

You said that human & chimpanzee DNA are the same. Actually they share 96% (source)--the human genome contains over 3 billion base pairs so the difference = 120,000,000 base pairs - The similarity isn't something unexpected. We already knew there was a vast amount of similarity between humans and primates both in terms of physical characteristics and structure. It is a mistake to assume that observing similarities necessarily brings you to the conclusion of common descent. Taxonomy based on physical characteristics was already a very well established science when the idea of common descent came on the scene. Note that 99% of mouse genes turn out to have analogues in humans

Good. I guess I'm convinced of a creator not having a creator.

I'm having mixed answers about hell thing. Some saying people will get fair justice and some saying only Muslims deserve paradise. I watched the 'why does god almighty send good people to hell' video. That turned me off. Sounds like only Muslims deserve it.

Well explain this article news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2009/10/091001-oldest-human-skeleton-ardi-missing-link-chimps-ardipithecus-ramidus.html

**Gintoki** · 04-09-2013

Originally Posted by YusufNoor

we are totally clueless when it comes to Allah's Mercy. actually, when we "think we know better than Allah", we are committing shirk! thus, An Nawawi's Hadith no 42 is imperative to understand.

Good post. But I'm confused as people are giving mixed answers.Some positive and some negative including in these forums such as jannat is only for Muslims. Will quote some of these posts i saw in this forum from the 'Is Allah going to put non-muslims in heaven?'

Originally Posted by Urban Turban

Inna Lillahi Wa Inna Ilayhi Raji'oon - to this thread.

For sure Allah is the judge, but Allah rabbul izzat right in this world has granted us the Quran and Ahadith to judge ourselves - if Allah is the judge and he is going to ultimately decide who goes in and who isn't - then why quote the Quran and Ahadith, leave it to Allah and lead your lives as you are leading.

If being good was everything - read it again please, if being good was everything then why is calling people to Islam needed?

Why is so necessary to believe in and read and lead 'There is no God but Allah and Muhammad is his messenger' (peace and immense blessings be upon him) ?

Why were the Prophets (peace be upon him) sent?

We think there were no good and merciful caring Christians before Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) - and no good pious Jews before Prophet Jesus Christ (Isa) (Peace be upon him) etc etc ?

Like I said before... Inna Lillahi Wa Inna Ilayhi Raji'oon - to this thread.

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A Muslim is someone who communicates the Commandments and Promises and Warnings of Allah honestly, as has been revealed in the Book & Sunnah, not someone who succumbs to political correctness and plants doubts in peoples minds, and prevents people from the path of Allah.

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The Aqidah of the Ahlus Sunnah on who will be punished in the inferno and for how long, as stated in the Quran, Hadith, Teachings of Sahaba, and the Ijma’ of the scholars:

1. Sinful Muslims of the Ahlus Sunnah – for a temporary period of time to chastise them of their sins.

2. Those ahlul bid’ah (people of innovation) of the Muslims whose beliefs were somewhat corrupt and misled, but NOT to the extent of them becoming kafir – for a temporary period of time to chastise them of their sins and corrupt beliefs are a greater sin than corrupt actions.

3. ALL Kafirs – whether they are those Ahlul bid’ah whose beliefs became corrupt to the extent of them becoming Kafirs (like the Isma’ilis and Alevis for instance); or other kafirs like Christians, Jews, Atheists, Buddhists etc. who heard the Prophet’s name and his call to worship Allah alone – they shall stay in the inferno unceasingly, for ever, their punishment shall neither be lessened, nor shall they ever leave the inferno, there shall be NO intercessors for them either – the Quran says this in black and white.

We pray to Allah to grant us a life on Iman and a death on Iman, and to let us be benefitted by His Beloved Messenger’s intercession on the day of judgment. Aamiin bi hurmati Nabiyyihil ameen.

Originally Posted by IbnAbdulHakim

jannah is for muslims only. and even for muslims it isnt easy to get into so i always say to myself "how do you plan on defeating your lower self because jannah is surrounded by fitnah.... what is your hope?"

may sound heartless but i have little time to worry about those who reject Allah

althou i hope perhaps they will be guided by their own sincerity and Allah is most Just and Most Wise

So no one has answered this question I'm posing,They are 1.5 billions muslims out of 8 billion total people in this world. More than half will be in hell being burned. How is this logical? Cause it doesn't sound logical to me.

**Gintoki** · 04-09-2013

Originally Posted by IAmZamzam

How did I avoid the question?? And how did you miss Qur'an 2:62 and 2:286?

Read the post which i directed to YusufNoor.

**Gintoki** · 04-09-2013

Originally Posted by Jalal~

But anyways, You do mention many times that Allah is not merciful for letting people starve to death, and for letting people get murdered or raped. But if there was no God, then who would bring Justice to these innocent people? If there was no God, there wouldn't be much order on the universe. I could easily steal money from a bank, rape as many women as I would like, then chill in prison with a roof over my head and 3 square meals a day. Then I would eventually die, and then what? According to your beliefs, nothing would happen to me, because I wouldn't get punished since their is no afterlife!

Well look at the Atheists,you don't see majority of them committing crimes such as those right? They have morals too and can comprehend what's right and wrong. So that's a poor example. :/

**Gintoki** · 04-09-2013

Originally Posted by Amat Allah

listen to this and In Shaa Allah you will find the answer...

May Allah lead your way to the path of the endless happiness Aameen

I didn't liked that video. It was obvious his point was only Muslims deserve too go to heaven.

**Gintoki** · 04-09-2013

Originally Posted by IbnAbdulHakim

we really need to sit dwn in a cafe and discuss this such a long topic.

your neglect of salaah lead to whispers from satan which lead to your misunderstanding of the worlds situation and finally your neglecting of the creator.

that is the extremely summarised version of a 2 hour chat over some tea.

Is their any evidence that satan is whispering in my ears?
I heard that when you wake up and you have a bad taste in mouth is because satan takes a piss in our mouth. Again stupid logic.

**IAmZamzam** · 04-09-2013

I don't know if there's any evidence for that or not but you're the one who saw that name in the sky. Like I said keep your eyes (and mind) open and you just might see it elsewhere too. It's written all over the place.

**IbnAbdulHakim** · 04-09-2013

Originally Posted by Gintoki

Is their any evidence that satan is whispering in my ears?
I heard that when you wake up and you have a bad taste in mouth is because satan takes a piss in our mouth. Again stupid logic.

this wont make any sense to the spiritually dead but you are blinded by logic at the moment.

**Amat Allah** · 04-09-2013

Originally Posted by Gintoki

I didn't liked that video. It was obvious his point was only Muslims deserve too go to heaven.

I don't know if you have seen the video till the end but I assure you that what you have posted above wasn't his point... You can try and listen again with an open heart and mind if you wish to understand. May Allah give you the best always Aameen

**Good brother** · 04-09-2013

Originally Posted by Gintoki

Well explain this article news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2009/10/091001-oldest-human-skeleton-ardi-missing-link-chimps-ardipithecus-ramidus.html

Confused Researchers, Later their conjecture was rejected:
http://www.mnn.com/green-tech/resear...-mans-ancestor

Just like many others:
https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.n...43107904_n.jpg

Propaganda effect:

**YusufNoor** · 04-09-2013

Originally Posted by Gintoki

Is their any evidence that satan is whispering in my ears?
I heard that when you wake up and you have a bad taste in mouth is because satan takes a piss in our mouth. Again stupid logic.

the first part, yes. the second

well, i hear an awful lot of "stuff" too. not sure of it's origin.

anyway, about the first. there are some ahadith, but i was ready for the next step. so, another hadith; An Nawawi #37:

Narrated / Authority of: Ibn Abbas
that the messenger of Allah, among the sayings he relates from his Lord is : "Allah has written down the good deeds and the bad ones." Then he explained it [by saying that] :" He who has intended a good deed and has not done it, Allah writes it down with Himself as a full good deed, but if he has intended it and has done it, Allah writes it down with Himself as from ten good deeds to seven hundred times, or many times over. But if he has intended a bad deed and has not done it, Allah writes it down with Himself as a full good deed, but if he has intended it and has done it, Allah writes it down as one bad deed." related by Bukhari and Muslim in their two salihs

so, it might sound irrational that Allah allows us to be tempted, but the simple act of NOT performing said bad deed is considered a good deed! do a good deed, 10 - 700 times the ajr. don't do the bad deed, ANOTHER good deed! do the bad deed, 1, just 1, bad deed. WaAllahi, Allah is the most merciful!

and i lost my train of though on the other post

(this was actually part of it), so can i present some more points of view for you, akhi?

ma salaama

**Jalal~** · 04-10-2013

Originally Posted by Gintoki

Well look at the Atheists,you don't see majority of them committing crimes such as those right? They have morals too and can comprehend what's right and wrong. So that's a poor example. :/

Well what about the people who do commit these crimes? That's great that the majority of them don't commit these crimes, and people should follow suit

but what about the one's who do? If a person's future is stolen by a gunman, and they aren't able to live their lives to the fullest, then How does the innocent victim receive his or her justice if their is no afterlife?

**IAmZamzam** · 04-10-2013

Originally Posted by Jalal~

But what about the one's who do? If a person's future is stolen by a gunman, and they aren't able to live their lives to the fullest, then How does the innocent victim receive his or her justice if their is no afterlife?

Jack the Ripper. Horribly mutilated and murdered anywhere from five to eleven people. Never caught--to his dying day.

**Gintoki** · 04-10-2013

Originally Posted by IAmZamzam

I don't know if there's any evidence for that or not but you're the one who saw that name in the sky. Like I said keep your eyes (and mind) open and you just might see it elsewhere too. It's written all over the place.

I believe these kind of miracles happen once in a life time,no?

**Gintoki** · 04-10-2013

Originally Posted by IbnAbdulHakim

this wont make any sense to the spiritually dead but you are blinded by logic at the moment.

Yes,logic. But there's logic to everything,just like theirs logic to how a creator can't be created. Surely there's logic explaining the existence of devils and angels.