Need the truth.What's right and what's wrong? (Muslims Only)

**Gintoki** · 04-08-2013

Hello.
I was born in a muslim family,they have a strong belief in God.I once had a strong belief,used to pray and such. I don't know why i had a strong belief,maybe i was a kid and believed everything easily,but i once saw 'Allah' written in the sky in clouds form. I still think to this day i was just imagining things,but i know that's the not true because apparently i was out that time,and many people were like taking pictures of it. Then i stopped praying,Mainly because I'm a lazy person.( was like 10 around that time.)2 or 3 years ago i started thinking 'what if' there's no God. I don't really know why i started thinking like that,but just so it happen. As a year passed by,then i questioned that if the muslims are indeed wrong? Maybe there's no God at all? What if the religions are just a fairy tale made by people? What if there's no heaven or hell? What if there's no afterlife and once you die,it's the end of everything.It is said that God is nice,but explain the suffering in this world like murder and rape. I know some people are going to say this life is a test. But my point is does God enjoy these things? If he was kind He wouldn't let have let these things happen now would He?During this time,i was also in the phase of depression. Last year later had a panic attack while masturbating and my anxiety started since then. Some of that anxiety is about if Islam is true or not,also some other things. Which made me questioned more about my religion. So i guess I'm a Atheist/Agnostic at the moment. I would wish to believe there's a God and an afterlife but it's hard to believe so. That's enough of the back story about me.

Now my problems with Islam which i would like to discuss.
First thing first,How do you Muslims know that your religion is the correct one? They are many religions out there,and they think they are right and such. Some Muslims are going to say that Islam is the correct one and Quran is a miracle. Allah send signs,the scientific evidence and etc. Anyone would research their religion and find that their religion is correct. According to what i read on the internet,some atheists are saying that these scientific evidence was long discovered before islam by the greeks.

It's unfair for non-muslims to be born in a non-muslim family. I already know some people are going to say that Allah sends them signs about Quran in some way. But the fact ismsome are going to ignore it as they are already brainwashed from their family that their current religion is correct. Why would they even give a chance to islam when they are already brainwashed? Or some people might not even heard about Quran in their entire life. One of the points why i think Quran is man-made.( No offence to you muslims.)

Even believing in Angels and the devils is harder. Devil whispers in our ears to make us do bad deeds? Really?

Secondly, the Adam and Eve story. So the world was created because Adam ate the forbidden apple.......Seriously? No matter how you look at it,it sounds like a some fairy tale story similar to Santa Claus or unocrns,of course to us non-believers...Some people are going to bring up the arguement that where did we humans come from? To Muslims it's Adam and Eve. But as my counter-arguement,one word 'Evolution'. Atleast that's what atheists believe. Even the apes and humans DNA are 98% the same. Science has proven that we can't have come from Adam and Eve. A while ago i even read an article of old skeletons skull structure being the same as apes. Don't tell me it's false or i will facepalm myself so hard my nose breaks. Even some scientists believe that's there's a 50% chance there's no God,if you research into the creation of universe,there's a chance that world was made by a mere coincidence.

Thirdly,the concept of hell. This one is disturbing me alot. So half of the population was made to be roasted in hell? Eternal hell for not being a Muslim? Then maybe God should have us more proofs if He truly loved us,that is if He exists. According to some comments i read here,It's offensive to God for not believing him with all the clear proofs send. Well,if He was all-loving he wouldn't want people to burn in hell and that too eternally. In daily life If a person was to get burned on anywhere on the part of his body,he would be in pain. He can't survive a day without the pain. But eternal hell? A person would go insane. No normal unbeliever deserves that kind of punishment. But maybe those people who liked murdering and raping people deserve it. But normal unbelievers? No. But this contradicts the nature of God. It is said according to you Muslims,that he is the most merciful and kind. But that doesn't seem like that to me. Cause if he was he wouldn't make half of the population JUST to burn in hell. And Muslims are not in majority in the world.

A square circle is impossible because it contradicts it's very nature. A square has four sides,a circle has infinite. God is impossible because He contradicts His very nature. God is described as fair and just,but creates infinite punishment for finite sins. This is a pretty and vengeful God. God is described as infinitely loving,but he allows millionns of children to starve every day. He has the power to stop it,but He does nothing. Again life is a test? Really? So this all is a game to Him and watch us suffer as His entertainment?

Another question,if there's an atheist who died at the age of 17.(My friend is at her dying bed)Would she burn in hell? She could have reverted to Islam.

I listened to many Dr. Zakir Naik lectures and some part of me get convinced. But after few days my mind returns to the atheist/agnostic mind set.

Another question, after this world ends,another world would emerge,and process will continue with new people....this process will keep on repeating...this doesn't make sense.

I said it before and i will say it again, I wish to believe there's a God but i find it hard to believe. But I'm hoping someone can convince me and show me the truth.

Will update thread if anything new comes to my mind.
Thanks.

**Periwinkle18** · 04-18-2013

Originally Posted by Gintoki

We are getting nowhere it seems,I just need a straightforward answer that how the devils whispers in our ears but it's really our thinking. Our mind being used to think,not random thoughts.

Umm you dont think abt evil things all the time do you?? Sometimes stuff just pops up in ur head things you weren't even thinking outta no where doesn't it happen to u??

**Gintoki** · 04-18-2013

Originally Posted by Periwinkle18

Umm you dont think abt evil things all the time do you?? Sometimes stuff just pops up in ur head things you weren't even thinking outta no where doesn't it happen to u??

Not all the time. As for the things popping up in my head,i haven't quiet noticed that.

**Gintoki** · 04-18-2013

Would appreciate if someone can post a good lecture proving that Prophet(SAW) was the messenger of God.

**Periwinkle18** · 04-18-2013

Originally Posted by Gintoki

Not all the time. As for the things popping up in my head,i haven't quiet noticed that.

Hmm well it does happen, shaitan just whispers n those who end up doing those things commit a sin.

Alhumdulilah you've never noticed it n ignore them

**IAmZamzam** · 04-18-2013

Again,i don't see the connection man. He might have increased their wrongdoings as a punishment,but i don't see how it contradicts the other verse about God already decided that who will go to hell.

Keyword: their.

Final test seems fair,though won't the majority be scared to even think about going inside hell?

Of course they will. That’s why it’s a test. Would there be any point to it if he had been telling them to walk into The Naked Co-Ed Pillow Fight Room?

Yes,there's a limit to the scholar's knowledge. But how many percent of scholars agree to the fact that hell is eternal? I think about 90% but i could be wrong..

There is no limit to human fallibility, whether those humans are individuals or collective groups. But I sometimes wonder if the herd mentality dominates human society more than anything else in the world. When those collective groups agree on anything that tends to have a profound effect on the individual psyche, doesn’t it? That’s why we have peer pressure, for instance. If you’re going to agree with the herd then make absolutely sure that it’s for some valid reason and not because the majority of some respected body of authorities has said so. And it’s too late for that because you’ve already effectively admitted that this time it isn’t. Don’t even try to tell me (or yourself) that I’ve misunderstood you.

Last i heard,Quran is very clear,but regarding this topic it's not. And as for Prophet(SAW) companions,how did they know that hell fire isn't eternal?

I don’t know if I even understand the question. The same way that they knew anything else I suppose.

Let's assume if you and Ahmad H are right,after their time in hell,where would they go?

Heaven, obviously.

Manly people question this is because as Ahmad H said ,God is kind and his Mercy overcomes His wrath,Why would his wrath go on forever? That's why I'm especially questioning this as it sounds contradictory as His Nature is kind.

“His mercy overtakes His wrath” refers, I suspect, to the repeated scriptural statements about how His punishments meet only the crimes whereas He rewards many, many times over. His mercy is in greater abundance is the long and the short of it anyway.

Btw forgot to question this before,as you said before the scientific facts were not known in Arabia at that time,but couldn't have it have been known if people migrated to Arabia and shared that scientific knowledge with the Arabians?

There are a couple of things like the roundness of the earth which are at least possible. But where exactly would they have been living where they knew to describe the embryo as a leech/clot, or that heaven was once a vapor and even now consists of something much like massed cloud, and so forth? Besides, you just said, “It’s not about science.” I actually was relieved to hear that. Science seems to be the only thing people are interested in these days.

I’ve learned, over time, to stop trying to focus on where my own bad thoughts are coming from and just focus on trying to deal with them, personally. As I’ve told you such thinking is just self-focused ad homimen attacks: thinking about who said something instead of what was being said. What matters is whether you are sinning. And look what’s happened to you: in caring so much about proving whether djinn can get into your head you have willingly let them in, first thinking evil things on purpose, and then refusing to acknowledge just what a peculiar thing this is—on the sole, sophistical grounds that, technically speaking, it was you doing the thinking! What does it matter, dude? Let the thoughts come from Al Roker for all the difference it makes, just don’t think them anymore, okay? This is a trifle. It’s hardly the most important of doctrines. Why don’t you forget we ever talked about it?

**IbnAbdulHakim** · 04-18-2013

Originally Posted by Periwinkle18

Hmm well it does happen, shaitan just whispers n those who end up doing those things commit a sin.

Alhumdulilah you've never noticed it n ignore them

no sis dontnagree there.

the fact that he left islam proves shaytans whispers have simply been masked so well from his heart that he couldnt percieve it. the heart should be in a constant struggle against the nafs and the devil so its impossible for one aware to not notice it unless he completely gives in and becomes desensitised. hence my advice to accept islam to become more sensitive and then struggle to be more aware

**Gintoki** · 04-19-2013

Originally Posted by IAmZamzam

I’ve learned, over time, to stop trying to focus on where my own bad thoughts are coming from and just focus on trying to deal with them, personally. As I’ve told you such thinking is just self-focused ad homimen attacks: thinking about who said something instead of what was being said. What matters is whether you are sinning. And look what’s happened to you: in caring so much about proving whether djinn can get into your head you have willingly let them in, first thinking evil things on purpose, and then refusing to acknowledge just what a peculiar thing this is—on the sole, sophistical grounds that, technically speaking, it was you doing the thinking! What does it matter, dude? Let the thoughts come from Al Roker for all the difference it makes, just don’t think them anymore, okay? This is a trifle. It’s hardly the most important of doctrines. Why don’t you forget we ever talked about it?

Okay,so the Keyword is their. Punishment increased for wrongdoing,but doesn't change the fact He has already decided who will go where.

I'm only going to agree with the majority of the herd if it's logical. Quran has made it clear that hell fire is forever,though i could be wrong. No one knows for sure. As majority of the scholars agree that it's eternal and the term 'forever' has been used in a lot of places,that's why I agree with them. Though hopefully I'm wrong,as i said God loves us creations more than our mother loves us,it would be sensible for Him to not make the punishment forever as punishment is meant to learn mistakes and i can't imagine God wanting his creations to suffer eternal torture.

I don’t know if I even understand the question. The same way that they knew anything else I suppose.

And couldn't they possibly just imagined it wrong and forgot it was eternal?

As for discovering embryo,yes that only could have been from the divine. But the shape of the earth,and the process of evaporation,the explanation whether the Earth rotated or the sun was discovered before i think. So my question is couldn't those information have been spread via migration of people to Arabia?

I would deal with them if i know it was the jinn doing. How can i willingly let them in? I don't think at all it's peculiar.
It matters because i find Islam logical,but this thing isn't logical as its my own thinking. I don't have the issue with the bad thoughts but i want to know the logic why when my own brain think of a bad thought on purpose is said to be the jinn doing according to you Muslims.

Let me give you few examples.
I get the thought of stealing my friend's expensive mobile,though this is my intention,i won't do it as i don't mean it,nonetheless it's a bad thought,no? But this was my own thought which i thought in purpose.

Another example,

I get the thought I'm going to abuse my neighbors for being so loud,but i won't do it as i know it's wrong,again i thought this on purpose,but didn't committed the action.

Another example,
I say I'm going to watch some dirty videos,which i thought on purpose,but i won't actually do it,but i on purpose thought that.

But let's assume I do watch the video,was it my own free will or the jinn doing?

Like i said before,i just need the logic that how this thing works.It may not be that much of an importance to you,but I'm researching and want my doubts clear.

**Periwinkle18** · 04-19-2013

Originally Posted by IbnAbdulHakim

no sis dontnagree there.

the fact that he left islam proves shaytans whispers have simply been masked so well from his heart that he couldnt percieve it. the heart should be in a constant struggle against the nafs and the devil so its impossible for one aware to not notice it unless he completely gives in and becomes desensitised. hence my advice to accept islam to become more sensitive and then struggle to be more aware

hmm

**IAmZamzam** · 04-19-2013

The word abada does not have to mean “forever”, nor does its variant. Even barring that The Qur’an says of both heaven and hell that people will remain there except as Allah wills, but it adds only as regards the people of heaven that their gift is unbroken. The same passage does not include a similar note about the people of hell. I’ve already said all of this.

And if you agree that it is our own wrongdoing then I fail to see what you think the problem is. Our own wrongdoing. We may say, in our human language, “Allah has already decided,” but He is, in all likelihood, omnitemporal. Remember that one of His ninety-nine names is “the all-Encompassing”. Screwtape sums up the weirdness of human confusion over this issue very well in “The Screwtape Letters” by C.S. Lewis:

You...will find it difficult to understand how [man] gets into this confusion. But you must remember that he takes Time for an ultimate reality. He supposes that [God], like himself, sees some things as present, remembers others as past, and anticipates others as future; or even if he believes that [He] does not see things that way, yet, in his heart of hearts, he regards this as a peculiarity of [His] mode of perception—he doesn’t really think (though he would say he did) that things as [God] sees them are things as they are!

If you tried to explain to him that men’s prayers today are one of the innumerable coordinates with which [God] harmonises the weather of tomorrow, he would reply that then [He] always knew men were going to make those prayers and, if so, they did not pray freely but were predestined to do so. And he would add that the weather on a given day can be traced back through its causes to the original creation of matter itself—so that the whole thing, both on the human and on the material side, is given “from the word go”. What he ought to say, of course, is obvious to us; that the problem of adapting the particular weather to the particular prayers is merely the appearance, at two points in his temporal mode of perception, of the total problem of adapting the whole spiritual universe to the whole corporeal universe; that creation in its entirety operates at every point of space and time, or rather that their kind of consciousness forces them to encounter the whole, self-consistent creative act as a series of successive events. How [that creative act leaves room for their free will] is no problem at all; for [God] does not foresee the humans making their free contributions in a future, but sees them doing so in His unbounded Now. And obviously to watch a man doing something is not to make him do it.

You can willingly let in any sort of bad influence. There have been many experiments confirming the existence of human telepathy (amongst the ganzfeld experiments, for example, and even by the famous atheist Stanley Koren), so the idea of thoughts being transmitted from an unknown source shouldn’t be too much of a stretch.

But I’m getting a little tired of arguing. Look: “That could only have been from the divine.” Your own words. Nonetheless followed by a “but”. Gintoki, just take the shahadah already, will you please? “No soul knows just what comfort is laid up for it unseen” if it does.

**Gintoki** · 04-22-2013

Originally Posted by IAmZamzam

But I’m getting a little tired of arguing. Look: “That could only have been from the divine.” Your own words. Nonetheless followed by a “but”. Gintoki, just take the shahadah already, will you please? “No soul knows just what comfort is laid up for it unseen” if it does.

Does the same go for Abu Lahab who was one of the bitterest enemies of Islam?

Btw took the shahada last night. Though i said the words in very low voice,does it count?
Said it twice.

**Periwinkle18** · 04-22-2013

Originally Posted by Gintoki

Does the same go for Abu Lahab who was one of the bitterest enemies of Islam?

Btw took the shahada last night. Though i said the words in very low voice,does it count?
Said it twice.

Omg omg omg Mabrook akhi!!! Nemo's v happy may Allah bless u keep u guided on the right path ameen may He grant u jannah ul firdos ameen

I just knew u would find what I were looking for

**IAmZamzam** · 04-22-2013

Bless you, brother!

And as for Abu Lahab, I've made a post about that before:

You know, I've had similar thoughts myself about Satan. Being a free agent he could, in theory, repent—but apparently he won't. We've been told that before. The same was true of Abu Lahab. It's just a matter of what an omniscient being has let us in on in advance, that's all. If this is a matter of confusion between divine foreknowledge and divine predetermination (you know, the old "how could anyone have free will if God knows what we're going to do yada yada yada?"), I got tired of explaining that to people years ago. To summarize there is nothing hard to grasp about the idea of knowing and doing being two different things: for example my correctly predicting to you now that the sun is going to rise in the east tomorrow does not mean that I'm personally spinning the earth in its orbit myself. These matters are complicated only if you make them that way….

Doubt strikes everyone from time to time, including disbelievers, even physicalist atheists. They just don’t talk about it as much, perhaps because they’re afraid of us and see religious people as a bunch of annoying proselytizing parasites who will always latch onto you like a leech and refuse to let go at the first sign of weakness, or perhaps because they’re so often extremely adept at Spock-like intellectualization of their problems, typically by way of the power of semantics, in which case they’ll have at least ten different multisyllabic euphemisms for “doubt” at the ready (and even that word will be carefully buried beneath two thousand others in their blog). It’s a good thing, in the same way that strain and tearing is a good thing for your muscles. Without it how could you ever build them up? But what is the safe way to exercise? To do it in a controlled environment, and with utmost caution. Remember that this started when you gave up your prayers.

**Ahmad H** · 04-22-2013

Originally Posted by Gintoki

I would deal with them if i know it was the jinn doing. How can i willingly let them in? I don't think at all it's peculiar.
It matters because i find Islam logical,but this thing isn't logical as its my own thinking. I don't have the issue with the bad thoughts but i want to know the logic why when my own brain think of a bad thought on purpose is said to be the jinn doing according to you Muslims.

Let me give you few examples.
I get the thought of stealing my friend's expensive mobile,though this is my intention,i won't do it as i don't mean it,nonetheless it's a bad thought,no? But this was my own thought which i thought in purpose.

Another example,

I get the thought I'm going to abuse my neighbors for being so loud,but i won't do it as i know it's wrong,again i thought this on purpose,but didn't committed the action.

Another example,
I say I'm going to watch some dirty videos,which i thought on purpose,but i won't actually do it,but i on purpose thought that.

But let's assume I do watch the video,was it my own free will or the jinn doing?

Like i said before,i just need the logic that how this thing works.It may not be that much of an importance to you,but I'm researching and want my doubts clear.

No thought which is evil is considered to be bad for a Muslim, unless they actually do it. This was mentioned in a Hadith in the Sunan. But since I've been through literally thousands of them before I can't remember where it is. Fact is, a bad deed is not recorded if it is only an evil thought, it has to have actually happened. So your bad thoughts are not considered punishable, but if you act according to those thoughts with those intentions in mind, then you are rewarded in punishment according to the evil you did. No more, no less.

And no evil thought is from an outside source, it is only from within ourselves. We choose to do evil because we eventually act upon it. Satan is not some Jinn being that is invisible made out of fire who goes to every person to tempt them. It is impossible, since his task varies in human population. Imagine, there were maybe a couple of thousand humans around at one point, and now there is 7.5 billion. Would you honestly think that Satan is some singular being, who goes to EVERYONE in the world? No. This idea is just a fantasy concocted by those who lack insight into this. Satan is within us and he exists as long as humans exist. Our evil comes from us, and nowhere else.

For example, would a Prophet say, "Satan made me forget" because they forgot to do something themselves, or because they wanted to lay blame on Satan? Anyone who thinks this means that Satan literally made such a person forget what they had to do, is wrong. The Holy Qur'an tells us that when Satan appears on the Day of Judgment (however that is, we don't understand the reality of it, but we accept it as it is) then he will say that he told us to do something, and we did it. he had no power over us. He simply suggested things to us and we did it. These suggestions, again, are from our own minds. A Prophet of Allah is a responsible person, and whatever they do, even if it is something where they killed someone by mistake, like Hazrat Musa (as), lays the blame on themselves. Did he stay in Egypt and argue that Satan did that punch to the Pharaoh, or he did? Obviously he committed it. He did not dispute that.

So read up on the verses that have to do with Satan specifically in the Qur'an. Go and research those and then you will come to a much more clear idea of what it is talking about. Remember, there is no contradiction in the Qur'an. The verses explain each other. Do a search on a website with a searchable Qur'an and type in "Satan" or "Devil". It'll make your research a lot easier. And use Tafsir Ibn Kathir to see other similar verses for different verses if you find you want to know more about what one verse is saying. That makes things easier as well. Topic-based research on the Qur'an makes it altogether easier to figure out. It also makes the Tafsirs easier to understand too.

**Gintoki** · 04-23-2013

Originally Posted by Ahmad H

So read up on the verses that have to do with Satan specifically in the Qur'an. Go and research those and then you will come to a much more clear idea of what it is talking about. Remember, there is no contradiction in the Qur'an. The verses explain each other. Do a search on a website with a searchable Qur'an and type in "Satan" or "Devil". It'll make your research a lot easier. And use Tafsir Ibn Kathir to see other similar verses for different verses if you find you want to know more about what one verse is saying. That makes things easier as well. Topic-based research on the Qur'an makes it altogether easier to figure out. It also makes the Tafsirs easier to understand too.

Oh okay,and what about the thing you said God judges by our intentions in our heart? I said to you as a response that Non-believers who rejected God won't get any reward as he did it for fame and not for the God. Oh And i'm not making this up,i read this in several places,if you want i would gladly provide you the link to it.

P.S The above question is the last one for this thread,then will make separate threads for separate questions.
Thank you to everyone who replied.

**Hulk** · 04-23-2013

Alhamdulillah I am happy to know that you have decided to take that first step. There are people who learn about Islam and yet even before they start learning they've decided that whatever they learn will not affect them in any way, what kind of learning is that? It's like promising yourself before learning something that you're not going to let it be of benefit to you.

In Islam the pursuit of knowledge is very important. The more you learn the firmer your conviction will be. Like adding soil to a plant that is planted to make it firmer. Of course, one has to learn the proper way. Learning the wrong way can be destructive to oneself

**Naeema** · 04-23-2013

Originally Posted by Gintoki

Btw took the shahada last night. Though i said the words in very low voice,does it count?
Said it twice.

Masha'Allah!

I have no idea what the official ruling is on this, but I say if you embraced Islam in your heart, then it counts. As I've posted elsewhere, I'm on a very slow path, and this is exactly what I did. First I said it to myself. (Then I said it a few more times over days.) Then I said it with a witness. I am not ready to have a big public embracing of religion - it's too high a standard for me.

From your first post, I remember that you're a "born" muslim, but I think that on your way back to fully embracing Islam it's OK if you act a bit more like a revert and don't try to do everything perfect at once. Do what you can now. I'd rather see you grow in your faith and practice slowly than get discouraged and go away again.

And Allah knows best.

**Ahmad H** · 04-23-2013

Originally Posted by Gintoki

Oh okay,and what about the thing you said God judges by our intentions in our heart? I said to you as a response that Non-believers who rejected God won't get any reward as he did it for fame and not for the God. Oh And i'm not making this up,i read this in several places,if you want i would gladly provide you the link to it.

P.S The above question is the last one for this thread,then will make separate threads for separate questions.
Thank you to everyone who replied.

Yes, I believe you in that. The Hadith is the following:

It has been narrated on the authority of Sulaiman b. Yasar who said: People dispersed from around Abu Huraira, and Natil, who was from the Syrians. said to him: O Shaikh, relate (to us) a tradition you have heard from the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him). He said: Yes. I heard the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) say: The first of men (whose case) will be decided on the Day of Judgment will be a man who died as a martyr. He shall be brought (before the Judgment Seat). Allah will make him recount His blessings (i. e. the blessings which He had bestowed upon him) and he will recount them (and admit having enjoyed them in his life). (Then) will Allah say: What did you do (to requite these blessings)? He will say: I fought for Thee until I died as a martyr. Allah will say: You have told a lie. You fought that you might be called a" brave warrior". And you were called so. (Then) orders will be passed against him and he will be dragged with his face downward and cast into Hell. Then will be brought forward a man who acquired knowledge and imparted it (to others) and recited the Qur'an. He will be brought And Allah will make him recount His blessings and he will recount them (and admit having enjoyed them in his lifetime). Then will Allah ask: What did you do (to requite these blessings)? He will say: I acquired knowledge and disseminated it and recited the Qur'an seeking Thy pleasure. Allah will say: You have told a lie. You acquired knowledge so that you might be called" a scholar," and you recited the Qur'an so that it might be said:" He is a Qari" and such has been said. Then orders will be passed against him and he shall be dragged with his face downward and cast into the Fire. Then will be brought a man whom Allah had made abundantly rich and had granted every kind of wealth. He will be brought and Allah will make him recount His blessings and he will recount them and (admit having enjoyed them in his lifetime). Allah will (then) ask: What have you done (to requite these blessings)? He will say: I spent money in every cause in which Thou wished that it should be spent. Allah will say: You are lying. You did (so) that it might be said about (You):" He is a generous fellow" and so it was said. Then will Allah pass orders and he will be dragged with his face downward and thrown into Hell. (Book #020, Hadith #4688)
(Sahih Muslim)

God judges everything by intention.

Narrated 'Umar bin Al-Khattab: I heard Allah's Apostle saying, "The reward of deeds depends upon the intentions and every person will get the reward according to what he has intended. So whoever emigrated for worldly benefits or for a woman to marry, his emigration was for what he emigrated for." (Book #1, Hadith #1)
(Sahih Bukhari)

An evil thought is not recorded as a bad deed, unless it is actually committed. Then it is as if only that evil is done. But when a good deed is done, then that is recorded as ten good deeds. This is meant for the Muslims:

It is narrated on the authority of Abu Huraira that the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: The Great and the Glorious Lord said (to angels): Whenever My bondsman intends to corn it an evil, do not record it against him, but if he actually commits it, then write it as one evil. And when he intends to do good but does not do it, then take it down is one act of goodness, but if he does it, then write down ten good deeds (in his record). (Book #001, Hadith #0233)
(Sahih Muslim)

In fact, in another narration, this one evil thought, if avoided, is then recorded as a good deed since the Muslim thought of doing an evil, but they actually did not do it:

Abu Huraira reported that Muhammad, the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him), said: When it occurs to my bondsman that he should do a good deed but he actually does not do it, record one good to him, but if he puts it into practice, I make an entry of ten good acts in his favour. When it occurs to him to do evil, but he does not commit it, I forgive that. But if he commits it, I record one evil against his name. The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) observed. The angels said: That bondsman of Yours intends to commit evil. though His Lord is more Vigilant than he. Upon this He (the Lord) said: Watch him; if he commits (evil), write it against his name but if he refrains from doing it, write one good deed or him, for he desisted from doing it for My sake. The Messenger of Allah said: He who amongst you is good of faith, all his good acts are multiplied from ten to seven hundred times (and are recorded in his name) and all the evils that he commits are recorded as such (i, e. without increase) till he meets Allah. (Book #001, Hadith #0235)
(Sahih Muslim)

If a non-believer did something good, then unless he has done it for Allah's sake, then that deed is not counted. However, there is one notable exception. When a disbeliever even passes by a congregation of Muslims, who have gathered for the sake of Allah, even that disbeliever is counted as having done good deeds.

Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah 's Apostle said, "Allah has some angels who look for those who celebrate the Praises of Allah on the roads and paths. And when they find some people celebrating the Praises of Allah, they call each other, saying, "Come to the object of your pursuit.' " He added, "Then the angels encircle them with their wings up to the sky of the world." He added. "(after those people celebrated the Praises of Allah, and theangels go back), their Lord, asks them (those angels)----though He knows better than them----'What do My slaves say?' The angels reply, 'They say: Subhan Allah, Allahu Akbar, and Alham-du-lillah, Allah then says 'Did they see Me?' The angels reply, 'No! By Allah, they didn't see You.' Allah says, How it would have been if they saw Me?' The angels reply, 'If they saw You, they would worship You more devoutly and celebrate Your Glory more deeply, and declare Your freedom from any resemblance to anything more often.' Allah says (to theangels), 'What do they ask Me for?' The angels reply, 'They ask You for Paradise.' Allah says (to the angels), 'Did they see it?' The angels say, 'No! By Allah, O Lord! They did not see it.' Allah says, How it would have been if they saw it?' The angels say, 'If they saw it, they would have greater covetousness for it and would seek It with greater zeal and would have greater desire for it.' Allah says, 'From what do they seek refuge?' Theangels reply, 'They seek refuge from the (Hell) Fire.' Allah says, 'Did they see it?' The angels say, 'No By Allah, O Lord! They did not see it.' Allah says, How it would have been if they saw it?' The angels say, 'If they saw it they would flee from it with the extreme fleeing and would have extreme fear from it.' Then Allah says, 'I make you witnesses that I have forgiven them."' Allah's Apostle added, "One of the angels would say, 'There was so-and-so amongst them, and he was not one of them, but he had just come for some need.' Allah would say, 'These are those people whose companions will not be reduced to misery.' " (Book #75, Hadith #417)
(Sahih Bukhari)

Their bad deeds are still judged for what they are, and they are rewarded only for what they did. This is the great Mercy of Allah. You won't find the equivalent of this anywhere else except from Islam. This means, despite a disbeliever did not doing anything in good deeds in this life, they can still acquire good deeds if they were in the company of Muslims who offered sincere praises to Allah. If that Muslim had their prayers accepted, then even those disbelievers will have the same from Allah as well. It also shows you just how pleased Allah is with being praised.

**Gintoki** · 04-24-2013

Originally Posted by Ahmad H

Their bad deeds are still judged for what they are, and they are rewarded only for what they did. This is the great Mercy of Allah. You won't find the equivalent of this anywhere else except from Islam. This means, despite a disbeliever did not doing anything in good deeds in this life, they can still acquire good deeds if they were in the company of Muslims who offered sincere praises to Allah. If that Muslim had their prayers accepted, then even those disbelievers will have the same from Allah as well. It also shows you just how pleased Allah is with being praised.

So an atheist like Bill Gates won't get any reward for feeding millions of poor people,even though his intentions were good?

**Ahmad H** · 04-24-2013

Originally Posted by Gintoki

So an atheist like Bill Gates won't get any reward for feeding millions of poor people,even though his intentions were good?

No one knows about the specifics. We do not know how Allah will judge everyone. What I stated is what we know in Islam. But what we know can be challenged because of our imperfect knowledge on Allah. We do not fully know what His justice entails. All we know is that He is the Master (Malik) of us, His slaves. Whether we are believers or disbelievers, we are considered his slaves. (I don't fully know the reason for that, someone else might know). But as His slaves, He can either forgive us or punish us as He wishes. But whatever He does, it is with full justice.

As for His justice, we cannot fully comprehend it. This is not an excuse, but a matter of fact. Consider the Islamic sharia. There are over 600 commandments in it, and yet does anyone fully know why every single commandment is what it is? No. There is not a single Muslim that knows exactly why every single commandment is what it is. This is because the justice behind each commandment is fully understood by the reality of the Day of Judgment. Our good and evil is somewhat hidden to us in this world. This is why as Muslims, we consider ourselves imperfect all the time, because we do not know what kind of evil we did unknowingly, or if we thought something was right and it was in fact evil enough to be landed into Hell. We may have thought of something we did as very small and without any consequence, yet, Allah would consider that one of the greatest wrongs to be committed by a human being. Our concept of justice doesn't cut it. This is why we cannot judge anyone or say that we know what will happen to anyone. EVEN IF THEY ARE A DISBELIEVER. I really want to stress on that.

So don't worry about what happens to a believer or disbeliever (by the estimation of what a person says and what you know about them, not what God knows). God knows everything about everyone. No one has any such knowledge about anyone else. Therefore, we cannot understand what sort of justice and ruling Allah will implement on us or others on the Day of Judgment. Only perfect knowledge is required, which we humans don't have.

I hope this made some of this clear to you. My point is that no one knows what will happen to Atheists like Bill Gates who feeds millions of hungry people. I cannot say whether he will go to Hell or Heaven, or even whether I will go to Hell or Heaven. Saying I know what will be judged for anyone, including myself, is arrogant. I do not know how people are rewarded, but I only know what the Qur'an and Ahadith say on these matters. Allah is the Most Merciful in the end. He rewards on what He knows. What He knows is better than what I know.

**facethetruth** · 09-03-2013

Sorry if you can make your post as one sentence question sort so I will answer them one by one. But from what I have read here and there.

Who created God?
God does not to be created because God created the cause and the effect rule so it applys on the creations not the creator. Example I make a toy that works with battery that does not mean that I should work with batteries.

Pls dont argue the answers are clear just think about them deeply and take your time.

Most of the world will go to hell, not logical to me?
Not everything not logical to you means that it is wrong. Most people in this life failed in their relationships, most people lie, most people backbite each others...etc

How do you know that Islam is the truth?
Everything says that. Miracles in the Quran and Sunnah. The only religion that made human reach to their best in history when it was applied....etc

The who justice thing?
The complete justice will be completed in the day of judgment. Now we are in a test, in other word at work. Mohammad Ali used to workout all day and sometimes did not sleep out of pain, can we say that Ali was not fair to himself no he was because he got paid back.

Sorry if you have more stuff just post them as one sincetence question.

The only way to be strong first you have to be honest with your self and remember dont think about stuff just from your perspective bro, think deeply and small sin to you is big to others, a husband that cheats thinks its small but his wife could suicide because of that. ....