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    Confused: Jihad and other questions (OP)


    format_quote Originally Posted by ~ Sabr ~ View Post
    What are you confused about?
    Jihad, al wala wal bara, befriending kuffar, living with them, and something like that. And some more.

    Islam is a Merciful religion, and says to be compassionate etc. But I am confused cuz we have to show al wara wal bara, (hate and love for Allah SWT)

    What is allowed, etc. Some ayats, and 2 fatwas that make me go "what?" One fatwa seems to express "no contact with kuffar!" the other "show compassion, etc. Islam is merciful," etc.
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    Re: Confused: Jihad and other questions

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    format_quote Originally Posted by Serinity View Post
    Fine, I will stop studying Islam for 8 years, pray 5 times a day, act human. And that is it. I will complete my studies. :P

    I will only ask about halal and haram, and that is it. If I am wrong in anything, then may Allah SWT forgive me. Ameen.

    JazakAllah khayr.

    Ps. I DON'T want to kill people. But I have the impression ISLAM wants me to kill people. Which is not true.

    But that is what I feel, after all the bigotry I got from some muslims.
    Brother I never told you to stop studying Islam please don't put words in my mouth. I told you to drop this Jihad issue until you have a better understanding of Islam. Of course learn Islam while you study at school but asking questions on an internet forum is not studying Islam. Studying Islam is going to university and learning under scholars or at least professors who have infinitely more knowledge than you and everyone on this forum. Your desire to learn is admirable but you're going about it the wrong way.

    I am going to study biochemisty at university, you think I will ever learn just from asking question on a forum and watching youtube videos? No.. I need to be taught from professionals. Learning Islam is not like learning to bake a cake. You need years and years of education from knowledgable people.
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    Re: Confused: Jihad and other questions

    format_quote Originally Posted by EgyptPrincess View Post
    Brother I never told you to stop studying Islam please don't put words in my mouth. I told you to drop this Jihad issue until you have a better understanding of Islam. Of course learn Islam while you study at school but asking questions on an internet forum is not studying Islam. Studying Islam is going to university and learning under scholars or at least professors who have infinitely more knowledge than you and everyone on this forum. Your desire to learn is admirable but you're going about it the wrong way.

    I am going to study biochemisty at university, you think I will ever learn just from asking question on a forum and watching youtube videos? No.. I need to be taught from professionals. Learning Islam is not like learning to bake a cake. You need years and years of education from knowledgable people.
    I got it, I can't study Islam in that case. I will have to wait till I am out of all this studying in college and stuff. That is my decision.

    I know you didn't say that. And I got it, if you want to study physics and become a scientist you don't go on a forum and ask laymen lol.
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    Re: Confused: Jihad and other questions

    format_quote Originally Posted by ~ Sabr ~ View Post
    Seriously, stop. None of us are scholars. PM one of the scholars on the forum.
    Yo this is some sound advice for reals, Mashallah!

    also am I at 25 posts yet? Still not a full member lol
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    Re: Confused: Jihad and other questions

    @ the people who are a means of blocking my posts, LOL, thanks for doing that, helps me make more dua,

    oh ALLAH, please give the ummah of YOUR Habib SAW victory, ameen ameen ameen.

    Islam is simple, LOL, u can't defeat ALLAH. Naoothubillah
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    Re: Confused: Jihad and other questions

    format_quote Originally Posted by Serinity View Post
    I got it, I can't study Islam in that case. I will have to wait till I am out of all this studying in college and stuff.
    You can't go to Saturday or Sunday classes? Surely there is an Islamic school near you where you can do this. I'm not sure about where you are from but in London they're dotted all over the place.

    Go to you imam and ask him politely if it's ok for him to spend 1 hour a week teaching you about Islam, in exchange you'll help sweep and clean the masjid. I'm not saying it's impossible to learn Islam without going to university but learn from good quality sources. I've not done much digging around but perhaps you can learn online in your spare time and slowly build up your knowledge.

    http://www.islamiconlineuniversity.com/founder.php

    Always do research into the people you're learning from. Google the scholars names and the website to ensure the information you're getting from them is reliable and that they're qualified to teach. Best of luck brother
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    Re: Confused: Jihad and other questions

    format_quote Originally Posted by EgyptPrincess View Post
    Women and children can NEVER be killed unless they are directly fighting against you. If a woman and a child are charging at you with their guns, yes obviously you can shoot to kill them.

    To be honest bro you're 17 years old, like me. You're from one of the most stable democratic countries on the planet. Focus on school, focus on maturing, focus on living your life a little. Then when you're 25 or 30 and you have a much better understanding of jihad and Islam, then perhaps you can make an informed decision to go and do jihad to free the syrian people.

    Rushing off to kill people at 17 because someone on the internet said so is probably the most ridiculous thing you could do.

    My suggestion? Study Islam for yourself, professionally and make an educated informed decision. It seems like you're just lazy, I mean what are you even studying at school? Computers? Why not Islam? Cmon bro... learn Islam from educated scholars and then make your decision. This is ludicrous that you're so fixated on this topic. It's like you can't wait to find the slightest bit of evidence to kill someone...

    If you REALLY want to be involved in jihad then donate food packets and aid parcels to the syrian people. Your country accepts refugees I am sure, go and volunteer at a centre and help them. Sigh.
    salaam,

    ur last paragraph is part of the jihad. Wealth and body, those that cannot make it to the battlefield, it is fard al ayn to help with our wealth.
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    Re: Confused: Jihad and other questions

    format_quote Originally Posted by EgyptPrincess View Post
    You can't go to Saturday or Sunday classes? Surely there is an Islamic school near you where you can do this. I'm not sure about where you are from but in London they're dotted all over the place.

    Go to you imam and ask him politely if it's ok for him to spend 1 hour a week teaching you about Islam, in exchange you'll help sweep and clean the masjid. I'm not saying it's impossible to learn Islam without going to university but learn from good quality sources. I've not done much digging around but perhaps you can learn online in your spare time and slowly build up your knowledge.

    http://www.islamiconlineuniversity.com/founder.php

    Always do research into the people you're learning from. Google the scholars names and the website to ensure the information you're getting from them is reliable and that they're qualified to teach. Best of luck brother
    Ok, I will take it easy. Little by little. Little knowledge at a time. Nice, steady, and smooth. I will first start by searching for a nice teacher with humor and knowledge. :P

    Sorry sister if I have ever been harsh, I've had some bad days.

    I realise I may have been a bit harsh, but I only wanted to show the truth. But perhaps I was the one who was near Jahannam and the pit the most. I now realise how important good character is, whilst showing the deen. And that harshness while trying to show the deen won't show the essence of deen..

    I may have been harsh, rude, insensitive, etc. But please forgive me.
    May Allah SWT reward you, and guide us all. Ameen.
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    Re: Confused: Jihad and other questions

    format_quote Originally Posted by Serinity View Post
    Ok, I will take it easy. Little by little. Little knowledge at a time. Nice, steady, and smooth. I will first start by searching for a nice teacher with humor and knowledge. :P

    Sorry sister if I have ever been harsh, I've had some bad days.

    I realise I may have been a bit harsh, but I only wanted to show the truth. But perhaps I was the one who was near Jahannam and the pit the most. I now realise how important good character is, whilst showing the deen. And that harshness while trying to show the deen won't show the essence of deen..

    I may have been harsh, rude, insensitive, etc. But please forgive me.
    May Allah SWT reward you, and guide us all. Ameen.
    May Allah continue to guide us all and ensure we stay on the correct path, ameen.
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    Re: Confused: Jihad and other questions

    Depends on your situation and surrounding factors really.

    When you rub a piece of metal on a piece of concrete or vice versa both will usually rub off a little on the other.
    however, the stronger component is likely to depreciate less than the softer one, therefore, it is better to be in a position of strong faith and to be pushing it vigorously than to be in a position where the corrupt have thw authority and try to hide from the people even the weakest expression of Islam via harassment and intimidation, in such a situation of complete weakness, the dominant corruption is likely to wear off less from any clashes or scrapes and do damage to those in the weaker position.

    The situation of the young man taking a weak kafir pensioners shopping home or giving a helping hand is quite different from the young man who finds his homeland unlawfully invaded based upon total falsehood and seeing his loved ones killed for no reason other than that they stand for the truth.
    yet, we live in a globalized world where it's not too difficult to move to places where you can at least try to make an effort at doing what is right ..... sort of..... unless some corrupt and murderous international regime pays your prime minister loads of money to keep the corrupt status quo running.......then some of us will come full circle and lose that naive soft heartedness at the wrong place at the wrong time - and will consciously cause havoc in the lands where kufr of Allah is dominant in the hearts and in the public meeting places.

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    Or maybe some or many will continue to try solemnly and peacefully to walk upon the true path despite all the internal conflict confusion and risk of falling apart themselves, and maybe some of it will bear fruit.....God knows best, i'm no angel myself but at least i know that Islam is the correct path and also certainly know that we would have a disciplined, dignified, successful, cohesive and sane society if we could walk that path together.

    Sometimes sins seem so normal when it's become acceptable in society, especially if certain corrupt individuals have made a concerted effort to remove any trace of purity or devotion to God from public display, such as the public praying ban in france despite huge congregations and spilling mosques, and anti-veil and hijab efforts.

    Then they wonder why there are so many french immigrant islamic state fighters in contrast to neighbouring countries?
    I'm not surprised one bit.
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    Re: Confused: Jihad and other questions

    Kufr of Allah SWT? Really ?

    Anyway, I will learn about Jihad in a few years in shaa' Allah.
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