cartoons are not life-like bro basically we've seen different opinions and as i've said, valid differences are not condemned so you can take your pick but it is wrong to blame another
perhaps you are not interested to understand the issue... Anyways...
the type your talking about, without facial features, etc, are permitted anyway
Islam makes an exception from this prohibition in the case of images with which children play.
it is permitted to make cartoons and other drawings for children’s educational and recreational materials
the above two lines from the two fatwas posted imply that there is an EXCEPTION to the general rule of prohibbition when it comes to children’s educational and recreational materials
the type your talking about, without facial features, etc, are permitted anywayIslam makes an exception from this prohibition in the case of images with which children play. it is permitted to make cartoons and other drawings for children’s educational and recreational materialsthe above two lines from the two fatwas posted imply that there is an EXCEPTION to the general rule of prohibbition when it comes to children’s educational and recreational materials
yes, but provided that shariah guide lines are complied with
brother it is your rash understanding that is at fault; think carefully and consider the words carefully!
by this way, most of prohibited things can be proven as permitted e.g. Music, woman leading men's congregation salah etc. See mentality of progressive and liberal Muslims, they take the recourse of cherry picking and begin to prove what is against the established opinion
by this way, most of prohibited things can be proven as permitted e.g. Music, woman leading men's congregation salah etc. See mentality of progressive and liberal Muslims, they take the recourse of cherry picking and begin to prove what is against the established opinion
It's not a matter of making an exception by scholars, but the Prophet (saw ) himself made an exception on this by allowing the dolls of Ayesha (ra). An exception isn't made in everything. Kids need to learn and for learning to be made fun and enjoyable for them
Br if we as laymen can criticize the ijtihad of the 'Ulema then this implies we have better understanding then them so to criticize their rulings is really treading a dangerous and arrogant path
“The most severely punished on the day of Qiyamah will be those who make (animate) pictures.” (Sahih al-Bukhari)
according to this and similar ahadith animate pictures are not permitted
Therefore, if the dolls are fully structured, meaning they have the head with the eyes, ears, mouth, etc, then it will be impermissible to acquire them, give them as a gift or for small children to play with them.
if the dolls are fully structured, can't be given to children to play with
However, if the dolls do not have a head, meaning they do not have eyes, ears, nose and mouth which make them incomplete, then it will be permissible to make them and give them to small children
can children like such dolls ?
It has been narrated from Ibn Abbas, Abu Huraira (Allah be pleased with them) and others, that a picture without a head is not a picture, thus permissible.
it is manifested
The Hadith which indicates that Sayyida A’isha (Allah be pleased with her) used to play with dolls, recorded by Imam Abu Dawud and others, does not signify the permissibility of present-day dolls.
Here the door of leeway of permissibility is closed
Firstly, the dolls which A’isha (Allah be pleased with her) played with was not of the type we have today. Her dolls were made out of rags without any prominent features. Many commentators of Hadith have explained that the doll of A’isha (Allah be pleased with her) was not of the type that its features and organs of the body could be clearly seen; rather it was made from cloth and cotton, as how it is generally made in the villages.
Do the children now play with the dolls of rags...?
Secondly, some commentators of Hadith explain that A’isha (Allah be pleased with her) used to play with dolls before the prohibition of picture-making (taswir), and the Hadith was abrogated by the narrations which prohibit picture-making
no leeway of permissibility proven here too
“If the doll of A’isha (Allah be pleased with her) had clear features, then this was before the prohibition of picture-making, otherwise the doll did have prominent features.” (Fath al-Bari)
@AbdullahAziz : according to this and similar ahadith animate pictures are not permitted if the dolls are fully structured, can't be given to children to play with can children like such dolls ? it is manifestedHere the door of leeway of permissibility is closedDo the children now play with the dolls of rags...? no leeway of permissibility proven here too hafiz ibn hajar rh doesn't support you bro
i dont see anything to discuss or debate br as it really should be all clear now [if it weren't from the start] that there is differences of opinion on this and even scholars do not condemn other sunni opinions so it is foolhardy to use a lighter word for any laymen to do so!
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i dont see anything to discuss or debate br as it really should be all clear now [if it weren't from the start] that there is differences of opinion on this and even scholars do not condemn other sunni opinions so it is foolhardy to use a lighter word for any laymen to do so!
I wish to see the names of scholars especially classical ones who allow the animated things..?
Do you think ulama have differences on animated pictures being halal or haram.. If yes, I wish to know which scholars declare animated pictures / images as halal...
I wish to see the names of scholars especially classical ones who allow the animated things..?
ok so we've seen Ibn Hajar allowed it; he never said anything about not without facial features did he?; look at the differences of opinions; this is from a reputable salafi site; barbie, superman batman teddy's have facial features innit?:
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aselamu alaykum I've read your fetawa regarding the keeping of dolls. my question is, i share a room with my little sisters and it's full of dolls such as barbies, bears and the like....i tend to cover them with cloth or put them in wardrobes but it's still hard as my sisters play with it all the time. So is it a must to cover thos things at other times?is there age limite to keep dolls? how about older girls that keep their dolls which they used to play in thier childhood?can we let a boy play with boy's doll such as superman and the like?
Answer
All perfect praise be to Allaah, The Lord of the Worlds. I testify that there is none worthy of worship except Allaah, and that Muhammad is His slave and Messenger. We ask Allaah to exalt his mention as well as that of his family and all his companions.
The matter is as we mentioned in Fataawa 83314 and 84972 that it is permissible for young girls to play with and keep such dolls as the Prophet approved of 'Aa'ishah playing with them.
It is permissible for girls to play with such dolls as long as they are below the age of puberty; if it is said that it is permissible for them to play with dolls after reaching the age of puberty when there is a need, then this is something possible.
'Aa'ishah narrated: "When the Prophet arrived after the expedition of Tabook or Khaybar (the doubt is from the narrator on her behalf), the wind raised one end of a curtain which was hung in front of her store-room, revealing some dolls which belonged to her. He asked: ''What is this?'' She replied: "My dolls''. Among them he saw a horse with wings made of rags, and asked: ''What is this that I see among them?" She replied: "A horse". He asked: "What is this that it has on? She replied: "Two wings". He asked, surprisingly: "A horse with two wings?" She replied: "Have you not heard that Solomon had horses with wings?" She then said: "Thereupon the Prophet laughed so heartily that I could see his molar teeth". [Abu Daawood].
Ibn Hajar when interpreting the narration about 'Aa'ishah playing with dolls, said: ''Al-Khattaabi said: ''Playing with dolls is not like entertaining with all other kinds of portraits about which the prohibition is mentioned, rather, the Prophet permitted 'Aa'ishah to play with such dolls because she had not yet reached the age of puberty at that time. I [Ibn Hajar] said: ''We cannot be absolutely certain about this, but this is something possible, because 'Aa'ishah was fourteen years of age at the battle of Khaybar, she has either completed fourteen years, or passed it or nearly reached that age, as regards the battle of Tabook, she has definitely reached the age of puberty, so the narration which says that she reached the age of puberty in Khaybar is more preponderant, and this opinion can be reconciled with what Al-Khataabi said, as this is more appropriate in order to avoid any contradiction.''
It appears, Allaah knows best, that it is permissible as well for boys to play with dolls which suit their condition and because they are in need for playing with them.
The Kuwaiti Fiqh Encyclopaedia reads: ''We have already reported the statement of Al-Haleemi, that the boys are permitted to play with toys because this makes them happy, and this renders them active, strong and cheerful, and allows them to get a good cultivation and more education. Therefore, the matter is not only restricted to young girls, rather this also applies to young boys; this is the view of Abu Yoosuf who said: "It is permissible to sell toys, and it is permissible for boys to play with them." His evidence about the permissibility of boys playing with toys or dolls is the narration about the fasting of young boys, which is reported by Al-Bukhaari and Muslim and which reads: "We make them a toy made of wool, and when one of them cries for food, we give him the toy."
and the scholars who are hesitant to allow it; even they are afraid to say it's haraam:
With regard to that which does not have complete features and just has some limbs and a head, there is no doubt that this is permissible and that it comes under the same heading as the dolls with which ‘Aa’ishah (may Allaah be pleased with her) used to play. As for that which has complete features, as if you were looking at a person, especially if it can move or has a voice, then I feel hesitant to say that this is permissible, because it is imitating the creation of Allaah. It seems that the toys that ‘Aa’ishah used to play with were not like this, so it is better to avoid them. But I do not say that it is definitely haraam
I wish to see the names of scholars especially classical ones who allow the animated things..?
now let me just explain about rulings of contemporary scholars; we've seen that reliable contemporary Hanafi scholars including Shaykh Hassaan al-Hindi of Damascus and Shaykh Qasim al-Ta’i of Baghdad allow it too; they base their rulings on past views too; they cannot just come up with absolute new rulings without any basis; the four madhabs have been verified by consensus, thus it's workings of how contemporary fatwas are derives is verified too; for the scholars, different rulings are not all right but that 'critisism' is only relegated to the scholastic class
one other thing i'd mention is, since the laymens duty is to 'follow' this is why by chance if a mufti gets a ruling wrong, yet the follower will not be to blame as he is doing only what ALlah ordered in the Quran
both views are obviously clear but I will prefer prohibition to permission as the ahadith related to this issue warn of severe punishment for doll making.thanks for links
both views are obviously clear but I will prefer prohibition to permission as the ahadith related to this issue warn of severe punishment for doll making.thanks for links
You're welcome
follow what you think is right (what is stronger to you)
both views are obviously clear but I will prefer prohibition to permission as the ahadith related to this issue warn of severe punishment for doll making.thanks for links
MaashAllah it is infact better to always choose the more stricter choice; it's just like eating prawns in Hanafi madhab; it is more in line with taqwa to refrain, but if you eat it, no sin!
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cartoons are not life-like brobasically we've seen different opinions and as i've said, valid differences are not condemned so you can take your pick but it is wrong to blame another
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approved of 'Aa'ishah
playing with them.
when interpreting the narration about 'Aa'ishah
and which reads: "We make them a toy made of wool, and when one of them cries for food, we give him the toy."
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