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    If drawing is Haram and Muhammad (SAW ) said so, why did they make this?

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    Re: Drawing

    drawing is not haram, but drawing of faces of living creatures is prohibbted!
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    Re: Drawing

    format_quote Originally Posted by AbdullahAziz View Post
    drawing is not haram, but drawing of faces of living creatures is prohibbted!
    So they have drawn living creatures in this movie so if Muhammad SAW said drawing of living creatures is haraam then why did they make this?
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    Re: Drawing

    format_quote Originally Posted by Mohammedmhg View Post
    So they have drawn living creatures in this movie so if Muhammad SAW said drawing of living creatures is haraam then why did they make this?
    it's ok to do it to educate children
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    Re: Drawing

    format_quote Originally Posted by AbdullahAziz View Post
    it's ok to do it to educate children
    If Muhammad SAW said it's Haram then how it's permissible to draw living creatures even to educate children? Any reason?
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    Re: Drawing

    format_quote Originally Posted by Mohammedmhg View Post
    If Muhammad SAW said it's Haram then how it's permissible to draw living creatures even to educate children? Any reason?
    According to reliable contemporary Hanafi scholars whom I have consulted–including Shaykh Hassaan al-Hindi of Damascus and Shaykh Qasim al-Ta’i of Baghdad–it is permitted to make cartoons and other drawings for children’s educational and recreational materials, basing it on the permission of making, buying, and giving dolls for children, which the Hanafi jurists have affirmed (e.g. in Ibn Abidin, Radd al-Muhtar).And Allah alone gives success.
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    Re: Drawing

    format_quote Originally Posted by AbdullahAziz View Post
    drawing is not haram, but drawing of faces of living creatures is prohibbted!
    Though not all scholars follow this opinion for example the Maliki Madhaab
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    Re: Drawing

    format_quote Originally Posted by AbdullahAziz View Post
    According to reliable contemporary Hanafi scholars whom I have consulted–including Shaykh Hassaan al-Hindi of Damascus and Shaykh Qasim al-Ta’i of Baghdad–it is permitted to make cartoons and other drawings for children’s educational and recreational materials, basing it on the permission of making, buying, and giving dolls for children, which the Hanafi jurists have affirmed (e.g. in Ibn Abidin, Radd al-Muhtar).And Allah alone gives success.
    Faraz Rabbani

    http://islamqa.org/hanafi/qibla-hanafi/35033
    Do you know the opinion of salaf on this matter?
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    Re: Drawing

    format_quote Originally Posted by AbdullahAziz View Post
    it's ok to do it to educate children
    no, don't change the rulings of shariah. What you or I like to do is different matter, what Islam injuncts is important. To educate the children you can use other means...
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    Re: Drawing

    format_quote Originally Posted by Mohammedmhg View Post
    So they have drawn living creatures in this movie so if Muhammad SAW said drawing of living creatures is haraam then why did they make this?
    we can't stop others......
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    Re: Drawing

    format_quote Originally Posted by Mohammedmhg View Post
    Do you know the opinion of salaf on this matter?

    It is well known that Islam has forbidden image-making, drawing and sculpting every animate being that Allaah has created; there are stern warnings issued to those who do that.

    Islam makes an exception from this prohibition in the case of images with which children play.

    It was narrated that ‘Aa’ishah (may Allaah be pleased with her) said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) came back from the campaign to Tabook or Khaybar, and in her alcove there was a curtain. The breeze came and lifted the edge of the curtain, uncovering the “daughters” of ‘Aa’ishah, i.e., her dolls. He said: “What is this, O ‘Aa’ishah?” She said: “My daughters.” And among them he saw a horse with two wings of cloth. He said: “What is this that I see among them?” She said: “A horse.” He said: “What is this on it?” She said: “Two wings.” He said: “A horse with wings?” She said: “Have you not heard that Sulaymaan had horses with wings?” She said: And he smiled so broadly that I could see his eye teeth.” Narrated by Abu Dawood (4932), classed as saheeh by al-Iraaqi in Takhreej al-Ihya’ (2/344) and by al-Albaani in Saheeh Abi Dawood.

    Al-Haafiz ibn Hajr said in Fath al-Baari (10/527):

    This hadeeth is taken as evidence that it is permissible to have dolls and toys for girls to play with. This is an exception to the prohibition of images. This was stated by ‘Iyaad, and it was narrated from the majority that they allowed the sale of toys and dolls so that girls might learn from a young age how to take care of their houses and their children. End quote.

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    Re: Drawing

    format_quote Originally Posted by azc View Post
    no, don't change the rulings of shariah. What you or I like to do is different matter, what Islam injuncts is important. To educate the children you can use other means...

    Brother valid differences are not condemned.
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    Re: Drawing

    format_quote Originally Posted by AbdullahAziz View Post
    Brother valid differences are not condemned.
    which leeway of valid differences is here..? Will you elaborate these valid differences in the light of ahadith...?
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    Re: Drawing

    format_quote Originally Posted by azc View Post
    which leeway of valid differences is here..? Will you elaborate these valid differences in the light of ahadith...?

    1 Al-Hafiz al-Bayhaqi in his book "al-Madkhal" and al-Zarkashi in his "Tadhkirah fi al-ahadith al-mushtaharah" relate: Imam al-Qasim ibn Muhammad ibn Abi Bakr al-Siddiq said: "The differences among the Companions of Muhammad (s) are a mercy for Allah's servants.Al-Hafiz al-`Iraqi the teacher of Ibn Hajar al-`Asqalani said: "This is a saying of al-Qasim ibn Muhammad who said: 'The difference of opinion among the Companions of Muhammad (s) is a mercy.

    2 Al-Hafiz Ibn al-Athir in the introduction to his "Jami` al-usul fi ahadith al-rasul" relates the above saying from Imam Malik according to al-Hafiz Ibn al-Mulaqqin in his "Tuhfat al-muhtaj ila adillat al-Minhaj" and Ibn al-Subki in his "Tabaqat al-Shafi`iyya."

    3 Bayhaqi and Zarkashi also said: Qutada said: "'Umar ibn `Abd al-`Aziz used to say: 'It would not please me more if the Companions of Muhammad (s) did not differ among them, because had they not differed there would be no leeway (for us).'"

    4 Bayhaqi also relates in "al-Madkhal" and Zarkashi in the "Tadhkira": Al-Layth ibn Sa`d said on the authority of Yahya ibn Sa`id: "the people of knowledge are the people of flexibility (tawsi`a). Those who give fatwas never cease to differ, and so this one permits something while that one forbids it, without one finding fault with the other when he knows of his position."

    5 Al-Hafiz al-Sakhawi said in his "Maqasid al-hasana" p. 49 #39 after quoting the above: "I have read the following written in my shaykh's (al-Hafiz ibn Hajar) handwriting: 'The hadith of Layth is a reference to a very famous hadith of the Prophet (s), cited by Ibn al-Hajib in the "Mukhtasar" in the section on qiyas (analogy), which says: "Difference of opinion in my Community is a mercy for people" (ikhtilafu ummati rahmatun li al-nas). There is a lot of questioning about its authenticity, and many of the imams of learning have claimed that it has no basis (la asla lahu). However, al-Khattabi mentions it in the context of a digression in "Gharib al-hadith" . . . and what he says concerning the tracing of the hadith is not free from imperfection, but he makes it known that it does have a basis in his opinion.'"

    6 Al-`Iraqi mentions all of the above (1-5) in his "Mughni `an haml al-asfar" and says: "What is meant by "the Community" in this saying is those competent for practicing legal reasoning (al-mujtahidun) in the branches of the law, wherein reasoning is permissible."

    http://www.masud.co.uk/ISLAM/misc/ikhtilaf.htm
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    Re: Drawing

    These statements of ulama you've mentioned have nothing to do with this thread unless animated pictures or images are proven as permitted by shariah or by some of the scholars
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    Re: Drawing

    format_quote Originally Posted by azc View Post
    These statements of ulama you've mentioned have nothing to do with this thread unless animated pictures or images are proven as permitted by shariah or by some of the scholars
    did you not see any scholars name on that article bro?
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    Re: Drawing

    format_quote Originally Posted by AbdullahAziz View Post
    did you not see any scholars name on that article bro?
    Do you think ulama have differences on animated pictures being halal or haram.. If yes, I wish to know which scholars declare animated pictures / images as halal...
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    format_quote Originally Posted by azc View Post
    Do you think ulama have differences on animated pictures being halal or haram.. If yes, I wish to know which scholars declare animated pictures / images as halal...
    it's only regarding childrens education; the fatwas were clear bro; contemporary Hanafi scholars say so based on hadith; i've posted from a salafi site too, in it they concur on this and say ibn Hajar held this view; they also quoted the hadith too
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    format_quote Originally Posted by AbdullahAziz View Post
    it's only regarding childrens education; the fatwas were clear bro; contemporary Hanafi scholars say so based on hadith; i've posted from a salafi site too, in it they concur on this and say ibn Hajar held this view; they also quoted the hadith too
    No, you couldn't understand what the issue is... Plz see this link http://islamqa.org/hanafi/daruliftaa/8290
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    Re: Drawing

    format_quote Originally Posted by azc View Post
    No, you couldn't understand what the issue is... Plz see this link http://islamqa.org/hanafi/daruliftaa/8290
    cartoons are not life-like bro

    basically we've seen different opinions and as i've said, valid differences are not condemned so you can take your pick but it is wrong to blame another
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