If and when an Islamic system is established,the Islamic State is obliged to cut off a Thief's Hand.
One may say,that is unjust or brutal.
The answer to this is that you lack knowledge.
I mentioned above that it requires an Islamic System to be established.
So I ask.
What does an Islamic System consist of?
The Islamic System,when implemented in its ideal form,contains something called 'Bait-ul-Mal'.
It is state treasury and it provides free food and daily necessities to the poor.
Meaning that under any ideal Islamic System,Any poor man will have access to Food atleast.
SECONDLY.
Under an Islam System.Muslims are obliged to pay Zakaat to the poor.So that person is getting Food from Bait ul Mal.And he is also getting money from Zakaat.Something that may even enable him to live a happy life.
So I ask you.
When he has access to all these things and it is certain that he will get food and he may even live happily,
WHY IS HE STEALING?
To rob other people of their property?
Keep in Mind,that a person who STEALS OUT OF NEED IS EXEMPTED.Meaning if he stole to get money for a medical operation for his mother,HE IS EXEMPTED.
THIRDLY.
This punishment has to be carried out by the State only and not by Normal People.
FORTHLY.
There is a fixed amount for cutting hand.Meaning if he steals under that specefic amount,His Hand will not be cut.
This amount for which a thief's hand is cut is given in the link below. https://islamqa.info/en/239920
Hitler is in a class of his own. He suspended the democratic process of his country by bringing it into a "state of emergency" (edit: to be precise, it was called the "Enabling Act" or the "Law to Remedy the Distress of People and Reich" and was to last 4 years but was renewed twice). Trump and Erdogan are fools in many respects, but they don't enjoy watching people getting burned at stakes as far as I know, and there are limits to what they can do... There is talk of Trump getting impeached if he crosses certain lines. Trump does what he thinks is "right for America", but he forgets to weigh the (long-term) consequences of many of his actions, likely out of ignorance to a large extent. Erdogan... he barely won the referendum in his country despite all the propaganda (and the "no" side being virtually absent). I doubt that he will be able to do too much real damage to his own country or neighboring countries as he has lukewarm support (at best) from his population, assuming that the referendum was fair and that there weren't gross anomalies.
Imagine how much worst the situation would be in Turkey or the US if instead of having an "indirect democracy", there was a "dictatorship" led by Erdogan/Trump. Indirect democracies still offer some protection from despots, though I don't consider either to qualify as a despot yet (just as idiotic politicians).
Edit #2: A quote from Erdogan himself on democracy: "According to this view, democracy is a product of western culture, and it cannot be applied to the Middle East which has a different cultural, religious, sociological and historical background". He is clearly not too hot for democracy.
I can say many things.
And I can beat you on all forums.
But the thing is,they will delete my comments again.
What we have are indirect democracies where we choose representatives that are suppose to speak towards our interests for the next 4-5 years or so. Ideally, in a very advanced society, we should have more referendums and opportunities to vote on more issues, therefore a more direct democracy, but an indirect democracy is still a step up from most authoritarian regimes (from monarchies to dictatorships). I am optimistic in believing that overall, the human society is gradually improving... people are becoming more educated, poverty is slowly decreasing, people are getting better access to primary healthcare and so forth. We need to continue to work towards making our societies better, however.
EDIT: Medieval Europe is certainly not a role-model to follow... it is setting the bar very low.
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I know very well what the term 'democracy' means. I am letting you look it up for yourself as I find that there is nothing better than self-education for people like you.
It's not about people choosing someone who can voice their needs it's about who can deceive the people the most that gets to choose what the people need and what they don't.
The problem is that not everybody is a Muslim, and not all Muslims abide to the islamqa Salafi perspective. It is unfair to impose your personal convictions onto others, especially if you are the minority in the area. At least in a democracy, everybody gets to have a voice, and education is strongly encouraged since better informed citizens tend to make better decisions.
Its not really unfair to impose views, methods of thinking or methods of action.
...if you had a job.. if you have a job.. then you obviously have to think differently.
The objective is differing.
The ways people behave at work influences the business and customers of the business..
Does it not?
...almost relevant to the thread..
And opposing interests.
...and then reality tv came along.
Also i am... non.. denominational..
I cant argue about the fairness of life.
Only that the term "life" is indiscriminate of faith..
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