Hi I'm Julie non muslim

format_quote Originally Posted by Juejue

Hi right don't start on me but. Sick of u so called Muslims not defending the evil of Islam!!! Sick of the rules in the uk , building mosques allowing head gear in shops banks but we are told to remove hoods or helmets , can't fly our flag , bacon is an insult???? Abide by us!!! Or go back!!

What problems do you have with Muslims in UK? What makes you feel that way?

And vegetarians too don´t like bacons. Should also they eat it?

I should add men or women of all faiths or not religious at all,shouldnt feel the guilt or burden of evil people in the world,when Anders breivik a Christian from Norway killed those children of mixed race in 2011 I didn't judge him because of his faith,his faith didn't make him kill,he was just an evil man.

Welcome to the forum!

I don't think bacon as an insult.

Bismillah Ir-Rehman Ir-Raheem
In the Name of God, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful

format_quote Originally Posted by Juejue

Look I'm Christian, I wanna know why the so called good Muslims are not making a stand, someone always knows when someone changes... I'm sick of the U.K. Making allowances for your faith!!! Why can we build mosques and u won't build churches ??? Why can you wear the head gear in shops but we have to remove helmets? Why can we not fly our flag???? Why is bacon an insult???

Julie, first, welcome to the forum. Julie, you are presuming that Muslims are not taking a stand? We have taken a stand. My question is have you been listening. And I want to answer each and every question of yours if I am able InshaAllah (God-willing) alongside my wonderful brothers and sisters here, some Muslims and some non-Muslims.

First, sister in humanity, we're taught as a Muslim to honor our neighbor and to be good to them. Prophet (peace and blessings to be upon him), “O Sa’ib, look at the character of your deeds in the time of ignorance and continue them in Islam: honor the guest, be generous to the orphan, and be good to your neighbor.” Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) did not specify as to the religion of the neighbor because we're supposed to be good to our neighbors regardless of their religion or lack thereof; this recommendation to be good to our neighbors applies to both our Muslim and non-Muslim neighbors.

Sister, I do not know why you imagine that we're preaching hatred and intolerance when that is not the objective truth. I take Allah (God) as My Witness that I have always been part of the efforts of trying to teach and spread the message of peace and unity to both Muslims and non-Muslims. Similarly, other Muslims here on IB I perceive have been making the same efforts to whatever extent they're able. However, us personally advocating respectful and peaceful coexistence does not mean that the extremists or would-be-terrorists are listening to and accepting our efforts.

I understand that you hate the evil and tragedy that has happened at the Adriana Grande concert, and it was indeed a travesty of the focus on mercy of Allah (God) that exists in Islam, which we have to have to extend to all humankind. I know personally I felt a resigned sadness as I heard the news - I felt resigned because unfortunately I have come to expect these types of tragedies to happen because terrorists do not care whom they hurt (Muslim or non-Muslim) as long as their purpose in wrecking havoc and destruction is fulfilled and I felt sadness because of the families of the victims and the people in the U.K. who will be hurting after this event.

I am not sure why you think banks and shops disallowing hoodies or helmets is a discriminatory practice when compared with Muslims who are obliged by scriptural mandate and understanding to cover their hair for love of Allah and Allah's Pleasure while also keeping in mind that modesty and carrying oneself with self-respect is elevated in Islam.

If you want to fly your flag, you're free to do so. Certainly, as an American, I have seen many flags being flown outside of the homes that I see as I go to and fro from work each day as part of Memorial Day weekend and celebration. In U.K., is there a law that proscribes you from flying your flag if you wish to do so? And what is the message that you'd like to send others who observe the flag-waving?

Bacon is not considered an insult. I am not sure where you've learned this information, but this is not true. Muslims are not allowed to eat pork, but that does not mean that any non-Muslim person eating bacon is considered an insult. It is not perceived as an insult. I am unsure how you came to arrive at the understanding that Muslims regard bacon as an insult. Muslims just find eating pork not part of their spiritual hygiene because it is specifically forbidden to us in Islam.

Also, sister, I'd like to highlight that there's a Yemeni genocide currently taking place led by a coalition of Muslim countries that is supported with the complete political blessing of both U.K. and U.S. To what extent are you as a U.K. citizen willing to take responsibility for the U.K. government's actions in this matter? 1.5 million innocent Yemeni children are starving, and approximately every 10 minutes a Yemeni child dies with approximately 4,000 dying each month. Is that not also your concern because these are non-Western children? If even one Western child dies due to terrorism, it is big news. And I do not reject the right of the news media to cover the tragedy, because such tragedies are big news in our time and à la mode to present as the only big tragedy of our time. Sister, where though is the wide media coverage for this tragedy in Yemen right beneath our noses? Where, sister, is your outrage for this genocide that is happening with the blessing of the U.K. government? Sister, you read and hear the news and rightly to you Western deaths matter and become a matter of concern, but do non-Western deaths not equally matter? I'd hope it does. "Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere," said the American civil rights activist Martin Luther King Jr. once.

Peace.

Sincere Regards & Best Wishes,

format_quote Originally Posted by Juejue

Look I'm Christian, I wanna know why the so called good Muslims are not making a stand, someone always knows when someone changes... I'm sick of the U.K. Making allowances for your faith!!! Why can we build mosques and u won't build churches ??? Why can you wear the head gear in shops but we have to remove helmets? Why can we not fly our flag???? Why is bacon an insult???

Hi Julie,

You claim Muslims are not making a stand but how do you know that? Have you checked every single Mosque? Have you asked Muslims what they think and feel about this? Or is it because the DailyMail or the Sun are not reporting it?

When it comes to extremists then a Muslim has no more chance of coming across an "extremist" than you have. Due to constant media lies, many non Muslims seem to think that "extremism" is common amongst Muslims and that many Muslims come across these people often. Well let me tell you a fact Julie. The vast majority of Muslims have never come across an extremist because they do not belong in our faith nor our Mosques. If they do exist then they are under ground away from the public. So how are Muslims supposed to "stand up" to people they have never come across?

You claim the Uk are making "allowances" for our faith. Can you explain how they are making allowances for Muslims compared to any other faith?

You claim why "we don't build churches", but have you actually been to every single Muslim country and seen that they are not building churches? Or is that something you read or were informed by the media?

Muslim countries have many churches and Christian populations. However in the Uk churches are increasingly being abandoned by people hence why so many of them are closing down. Christianity is on the decline in this country and most of the numbers of people who are counted as Christians don't even practise the faith nor believe in scriptures.

You claim we can wear headgear but you have to take helmets off. Firstly why would you want to wear a helmet indoors when the sole purpose is to protect the head driving a motorbile or riding a bycycle?

Sikhs wear turbans. Jews wear caps. Many women including older women wear head scarfs. Nuns wear heard gear. So is it just Muslims wearing headgear that is the issue?

Who says you cannot fly your flag? I see many houses and cars throughout the Uk that fly flags both big and large especially during England football games.

You say "Why is bacon an insult"? Why would it be insulting? Yes we do not eat it but nor do we consume alcohol or other intoxicants. So you need to explain your statements further.

Your hatred is clearly coming from your ignorance and misinformation of these matters you have been fed from media lies and your statements are totally nonsensical.

If you want to have a proper discussion about this then you need to calm down, put your guard down and discuss these matters sensibly.

Greetings and peace be with you Juejue; and welcome to the forum from another Christian.

I have been visiting this forum for the last twelve years, people here have called me brother, granddad, uncle and friend. I would ask you to take some time to get to know the sisters on this forum, before jumping to any conclusions.

As a Christian we are commanded to love all our neighbours as we love ourselves, we are even commanded to love and pray for our enemies. And when we say the Lord's prayer, we tell God what to do. We tell God to forgive us in exactly the same way that we forgive others.

You will never look into the eyes of anyone who does not matter to God. Everyone is special to God, we are all created by the same God, so we have a duty to care for each other, that has to include caring for people who are different to us.

Please be aware that our Muslim brothers and sisters are entering their most holy time of Ramadan, they will be fasting during daylight hours. This is a time of prayer for Muslims, and a time of reflecting on those less fortunate and giving to charity.

Please post again, and maybe pray a blessing for our Muslim brothers and sisters before you post.

In the spirit of searching for a greatest meaning of 'One God'

Eric

format_quote Originally Posted by Juejue

Look I'm Christian, I wanna know why the so called good Muslims are not making a stand, someone always knows when someone changes... I'm sick of the U.K. Making allowances for your faith!!! Why can we build mosques and u won't build churches ??? Why can you wear the head gear in shops but we have to remove helmets? Why can we not fly our flag???? Why is bacon an insult???

make a stand and end up dead????; so your telling us to be have a go heros against these dangerous nutters?; c'mon surely you can understand that we're human too and fear for our lives!

and they wouldn't give out any sings they're gonna carry our an attack so there is nothing to report on either

you should be proud that UK makes allowances; that it is a tolerant country and not a hateful racist one!

every muslim country allows building churches other than 1 or 2 ultra conservative ones; same with christianity; vatican wouldn't allow us to build mosque and there are vicously racist anti-muslim countries in eastern europe that wouldn't allow mosques ...helmets and hoodys are a 'robbery and theft threat' in shops while hijab is a sign of being saintly/pious so why should they ban hijab in shops?

er? who says you cant fly your flag???; you mean the racist edl and bnp using union jack/st george’s cross for racist purposes?; you dont want them nutters hijacking your flag do you?

we just don t eat bacon love, not consider dem an insult; you've been visiting them anti-islam nazi sites too much by the looks of it!

Well those kind of claims are typical in the racist sites like saying that because they (we Muslims) don´t eat pork, they also want to forbid every others to eat it and similar stuff. It´s their way to spread hate and prejudices and increase racism in the society. Some people believe their fictitious claims, some not.

Spreading kind of lies is sometimes easy when majority of people might not have very long memory. Like in my country some years ago atheists demended that in the schools non-Christian kids shouldn´t have to take part to religious celebrations and soon racists started to claim that they were Muslims whose wanted to forbid anyone celebrate any other religions in school.

Hi Juejue..

Point taken, but have you considered what the Brits did to natives when they landed in those far away lands not too long ago?

I think what is happening now is less than an ant bite compared to the treatment that the natives got for god knows how long... not only that, they raped the nation they went to and left behind secularism..

So what are you complaining about?