URGENT: Why isn't Music allowed?

format_quote Originally Posted by Umm_Shaheed

If they aren't Muslim, then Music is the last of their worries. I think you should concentrate on more important things, like tawheed.
W'salaam

Thats what I been saying for last, i dont know how many minutes.

I even tried putting it in a nice imaginative way.

format_quote Originally Posted by czgibson

Not all movies contain music, but they do all manipulate your emotions to some degree. They also present you with an alternate reality, or at the very least a variation of the reality we know. By your reasoning I would have thought that all movies would be banned, whether they contained music or not.

Hmm I agree, if we were to use such logic it would mean things like going supermarkets would be banned soon.

Because they are now kinda starting to use methods of manupilation, like putting items in certain parts of the supermarket, so you have to walk through certain isle to get to them, and when u do u have impulses to buy other items.

So that would be a waste of time and it would manipulate how you feel with regards to purchasing stuff.

Interesting looks like its online shoppin for me. lol.

AsalamuAlaykum,

format_quote Originally Posted by czgibson

Greetings,


Sorry - I didn't mean to. Please accept my apologies. Let's discuss the issue rather than attacking people who hold different views from us.

It might have been harsh, but it's the truth. Having the word "Atheist" in my profile might seem harsh too. The Islamic prohibition on music is an issue I feel very strongly about. The fact is that there's no way to convince someone that all music is bad by using rational argument. Muslims don't believe music is bad because they have any valid, worldly reason for doing so - it's because of religious dogma, and all other arguments put forward in favour of the prohibition are just back-pedalling to try and justify that.

Peace

Dun worry forgiven, im sorry too. And no it doesn't seem harsh, don't be silly!

Peace

format_quote Originally Posted by IsaAbdullah

Whao sis tatasmiya...

mashallah good info.

Barak Allah Feek, AsalamuAlaykum baby bro

format_quote Originally Posted by Sohrab

Dear Sis,



I really appreciate your concern and you are trying to help bro Fishman, like us all. I agree with you that to start off for a new muslim isn't easy and needs a lot of help with queries regarding Halal and Haram. I also agree that most of the things in Islam are very congruent with Modern Science. For satisfaction of heart it's all fine. What I won't endorse is something like "i left music because it has following disadvantages" and "i pray because it gives me good excercise and i fast because is good for my health". "i keep a beard because it has these advantages" etc.

Please i'm not condemning anyone's effort to help new muslims. I'm very sure you all are doing much better than i am.

I'd end on this ayah from sura baqara:

The Messenger (Muhammad ) believes in what has been sent down to him from his Lord, and (so do) the believers. Each one believes in Allâh, His Angels, His Books, and His Messengers. They say, "We make no distinction between one another of His Messengers" - and they say, "We hear, and we obey. (We seek) Your Forgiveness, our Lord, and to You is the return (of all)."

Jazakellaha

AsalamAlaykum bro, jazakhala for the hadith, yes you are right brother, i guess the best we can do is make dua for brother Fishman.

WalaykumSalaam All.

Baby bro? escuse me im older than you!

Your only 19...don't complain..ovawise i'll start calling you grandad

format_quote Originally Posted by czgibson

Greetings,


Not all movies contain music, but they do all manipulate your emotions to some degree. They also present you with an alternate reality, or at the very least a variation of the reality we know. By your reasoning I would have thought that all movies would be banned, whether they contained music or not.

woops sorry i just got back now
umm yeh you're right.. most of them probably would be banned because of their content. It's not the movie or play that's illegal in principle, it's what's been projected or portrayed.
Film is a great way to teach people stuff or to even entertain, just like the way nasheeds (Islamicly ok songs) are.. Just like the way novels are ok so long as their content isn't haram.

Music is different, because the underlying effect is the same, whether its 'spiritual music' or non spiritual, it twists your emotions and makes you devoid of reality without really learning much (infact the tendency is that you'll digress instead of progress).

Ah, the old "atheists have no reason to be moral" argument. Is fear of hellfire really the only thing preventing you from going out and murdering people?

Peace

i didn't say 'athiests have no reason to be moral', you would have a reason (and it would be rational too) if the moral was in your personal interest (e.g. not taking drugs because it might damage your health), but otherwise, i pesronally don't see why an athiest should bother about things that would benefit him personally on a worldly scale... assuming the athiest is rational.

i didnt say hell was the only reason either, it's just that the whole notion of being brought to absolute justice doesn't exist. Budhists don't believe in hell, but they're idea of navana should be enough to keep them on the lookout for their actions... (im not making a judgement on them, im just saying how hell doesnt have to be in the equation). In the case of Muslims, Jannah alone is a great incentive to avoid bad and please Allah, Hell just makes it a greater incentive to run away from disobeying Allah. And as the hadith goes, believers are classified into categories, some of them behave like business people (they obey Allah because of the incentives), and others worship Allah because they look beyond Jannah and Hell, they actually love Allah SWT because of the wisdom in his commandments.

An athiest can't seem to master the obvious, the existance of God. let alone obey Allah's commands..

lol don't take it like im just taking a go at you.. you've got the blessings of economic theory behind you. we measure cost and benefit with the hereafter in mind, you don't, so obviously none of this should matter to you. And incase you are one of those rational athiests, don't take that to mean being a rational athiest is a good thing, not according to Islam atleast.

format_quote Originally Posted by tasmiyah_B

Your only 19...don't complain..ovawise i'll start calling you grandad

off topic someone give her a negative mark thing!

he started it.. mean people!

eh? where sis, quote

format_quote Originally Posted by tasmiyah_B

eh? where sis, quote

Abu Maalik Ash'ari (radhiyallahu anhu) says that he heard Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) say: "Most certainly, there will be in my Ummah people who will make lawful fornication, silk, liquor and musical instruments." (Bukhaari)

salamz

you got a point

Asalamulaikum Bro fishman.

Instead of telling ur parents the wisdoms behind why music is haram/prohibited, tell them its because Allah swt and his messanger Muhammed saw sed so.

Remember...for the first 10 years the prophet saw stressed upon tawheed/oneness of Allah swt...it was only after then that the rules n regulations came about. In order for ur parents to understand and also a big oportunity for giving them dawah is to tell them because Allah swt ses so.

If u always try to giv them reasons as to why god prohibits certain things, theyll always want reasons. And for somethings we dnt have any wisdoms as to why Allah swt prohibits certain things as only Allah swt knows.

Just tell them Allah swt and the prophet forbade it and thats gud enough for me.

Asalamulaikum.

der woz a family gatherin.. dat u wer invited 2.. or lyk a wedin.. n music woz bein playd.. is it posible 2 stil go for the reason of ur family n not da intention of the music..?

A very good question. yes, u r allowed to go if the family will break off ties with you as long as you dont take pleasure in lisnin 2 th music....



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