However, can anyone provide me with a verse, or verses from the Quran that forbid marital rape?
Ive never seen any that permit it, but with nutters like the one on link removed about, I was just curious to know.
Shaykh Ibn Baaz was asked about a man who has intercourse with his wife when she does not want to. He replied:
… If the woman is forced to do it then there is no sin on her and her fast is still valid, but if she let him do it then she has to make up that day and also repent, but she does not have to offer expiation.
There's a hadith that if a husband asks his wife to bed and she refuses, and he goes to sleep angry, the Angels curse her. The hadith doesn't say that he should just force her.
There's a hadith that if a husband asks his wife to bed and she refuses, and he goes to sleep angry, the Angels curse her. The hadith doesn't say that he should just force her.
is that hadith "o7ad" or "twater"? in other words does it have more than five sources validating it?
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while searching for the exact words "angels curse" I only came up with:
shahi book 8 (marriage) 3368 and 3366.
For such searches it's handy to use special software like "the hadeeth software" by islamasoft solutions. Since it's quite challanging to look this up manually.
But this is getting of topic, as mentioned before this hadeeth does not justify rape, far from it.
Allah says in the Quran "Treat your woman well for they are your committed partners and helpers" i dunt remember the surah, but ive read it several times. so correct me if i left anything out..kk thnx..
there are a few verses in sura number 2 ".....then either retain them in good fellowship or set them free with liberality, and do not retain them for injury, so that you exceed the limits," from sura 2 verse 31
along with many others to do with divorce... I wanted to know of this hadith b/c I think it is a weak one... not many sources backing it... so was curious
thank you
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Shaykh Ibn Baaz was asked about a man who has intercourse with his wife when she does not want to. He replied:
… If the woman is forced to do it then there is no sin on her and her fast is still valid, but if she let him do it then she has to make up that day and also repent, but she does not have to offer expiation.
This is talking about the validity of a woman's fast if she has relations, so it is not directly related to the discussion.
format_quote Originally Posted by soulsociety
There's a hadith that if a husband asks his wife to bed and she refuses, and he goes to sleep angry, the Angels curse her. The hadith doesn't say that he should just force her.
format_quote Originally Posted by PurestAmbrosia
is that hadith "o7ad" or "twater"? in other words does it have more than five sources validating it?
The hadith is sahîh (authentic). The Prophet Muhammad pbuh did say this about the wife who spurns her husband for no reason, just as he described a man who quarrels with his wife as being driven by the most evil of devils:
Iblîs (Satan) sets up his throne on water, then he sends out his armies of devils (to incite humans to do evil). The closest to him of these troops are the ones who cause the most tribulation. One of them comes and says, 'I have done such and such.' Iblîs says, 'You have not done enough.' Then another one comes and says, 'I never left him alone until I created trouble and caused division between him and his wife.' Then Iblîs comes close to this devil and says, 'How excellent you are!' (Sahîh Muslim)
The fact is that the Prophet Muhammad pbuh emphasized the rights of both the husband and the wife. And he rebuked both the husband and the wife who fail to uphold these rights.
The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: "Surely I was sent to perfect the qualities of righteous character" [Musnad Ahmad, Muwatta Mâlik]
Thank you.... btw I just read your post of Islam wasn't spread by the sword.... it was 18 pages long and my eyes are now blood shot but that was well worth it and most impressive... I saved it and I thank you from the bottom of my heart for a job well done
jazaka Allah khyran =)
Text without context is pretext If your opponent is of choleric temperament, seek to irritate him
This is talking about the validity of a woman's fast if she has relations, so it is not directly related to the discussion.
The hadith is sahîh (authentic). The Prophet Muhammad pbuh did say this about the wife who spurns her husband for no reason, just as he described a man who quarrels with his wife as being driven by the most evil of devils:
Iblîs (Satan) sets up his throne on water, then he sends out his armies of devils (to incite humans to do evil). The closest to him of these troops are the ones who cause the most tribulation. One of them comes and says, 'I have done such and such.' Iblîs says, 'You have not done enough.' Then another one comes and says, 'I never left him alone until I created trouble and caused division between him and his wife.' Then Iblîs comes close to this devil and says, 'How excellent you are!' (Sahîh Muslim)
The fact is that the Prophet Muhammad pbuh emphasized the rights of both the husband and the wife. And he rebuked both the husband and the wife who fail to uphold these rights.
But if you read the rest of the stuff on the pge from the link it has more about rape, It was just too much to post so I posted only a small part and included the link.
is that hadith "o7ad" or "twater"? in other words does it have more than five sources validating it?
Sahih Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 54, Number 460:
Narrated Abu Huraira:
Allah's Apostle said, "If a husband calls his wife to his bed (i.e. to have sexual relation) and she refuses and causes him to sleep in anger, the angels will curse her till morning."
yes Mrr agreed..no religion on the face of the earth gives a license to husbands to rape..
soul please stop repeating yourself..if you have even bothered to read the thread from the begining ..that point was addressed..after all this thread IS about marital rape..so if you want the answers its there..if you're looking for something else..then you can leave this forum.
Mods please delete such repetitive posts..from insincere people.
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and consider deliverance abundant good fortune
or so they may dwell in the gardens , and reach to the meadows of paradise and there drink from its rivers
of gardens or fire i have no opinion
I seek no exchange for my Dearest Love
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