Judge this shocking hadeeth by the Qur'an

[scentsofjannah]

And thou (stands) on an exalted standard of character. Surah Al-Qalam 68, Verse 4.

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Narrated Abu Qilaba: Anas said, "Some people of 'ukl or 'Uraina tribe came to Medina and its climate did not suit them. So the Prophet ordered them to go to the herd of (Milch) camels and to drink their milk and urine (as a medicine). So they went as directed and after they became healthy, they killed the shepherd of the Prophet and drove away all the camels. The news reached the Prophet early in the morning and he sent (men) in their pursuit and they were captured and brought at noon. He then ordered to cut their hands and feet (and it was done), and their eyes were branded with heated pieces of iron, They were put in 'Al-Harra' and when they asked for water, no water was given to them." Abu Qilaba said, "Those people committed theft and murder, became infidels after embracing Islam and fought against Allah and His Apostle ." ( Bukhari Book #4, Hadith #234).


Brother Ansar said theres no fabricated hadeeth at all in Sahih Bukhari..i wonder what he thinks of this hadeeth?

[lolwatever]

salamz.. actually that's very authentic... and infact there's a verse in quran that pretty much dishes out the same rulign to terrorists like that.

thievery gets hands cut off, but when u do highway robberies/rape etc.. and put the entire society at risk.. the punishment is multiplied

[scentsofjannah]

also what about this hadeeth?

Anas reported: Eight men of the tribe of 'ukl came to Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) and swore allegiance to him on Islam, but found the climate of that land uncogenial to their health and thus they became sick, and they made complaint of that to Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him), and he said: Why don't you go to (the fold) of our camels along with our shepherd, and make use of their milk and urine. They said: Yes. They set out and drank their (camels') milk and urine and regained their health. They killed the shepherd and drove away the camels. This (news) reached Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) and he sent them on their track and they were caught and brought to him (the Holy Prophet). He commanded about them, and (thus) their hands and feet were cut off and their eyes were gouged and then they were thrown in the sun, until they died.This hadith has been narrated on the authority of Ibn al-Sabbah with a slight variation of words. (Muslim Book #016, Hadith #4131).


I cannot stress enough how important it is for us muslims to have serious hadeeth criticisms..these are not the only hadeeths out there that are pure fabrications..ive seen loads of others..we have to seperate the wheat from the chaff.

[- Qatada -]

Bukhari: Some people from `Uraina tribe came to Medina and its climate did not suit them, so Allah's Apostle (pbuh) allowed them to go to the herd of camels (given as Zakat) and they drank their milk and urine (as medicine) but they killed the shepherd and drove away all the camels. So Allah's Apostle sent (men) in their pursuit to catch them, and they were brought, and he had their hands and feet cut, and their eyes were branded with heated pieces of iron and they were left in the Harra (a stony place at Medina) biting the stones. (Volume 2, Book 24, Number 577)

This narration is often quoted in order to present the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) as someone who delivered exceedingly cruel and barbaric punishments.
Let us examine the narration more closely along with other narrations of the same event. The narration states the following:

-Some people from Urayna (or Ukil) tribe came to Madinah after accepting Islam

-They acquired an illness due to the climate, for which the Arabs used to drink milk and urine of camels as medicine
-The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) allowed them to go to the herds of camels for their medicine
-After recovering from their illness, they killed the sheperd and drove away the camels
-The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) ordered their hands and feet cut off, their eyes branded with heated pieces of iron, and they were left in the desert

It is clear that the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) prescribed the hands and feet to be cut off in accordance with the Islamic laws concerning hiraabah (armed robbery). What doesn't appear in this narration is the reason for branding their eyes with heated pieces of iron. This is explained in other narrations where it states that this was the punishment because they had done the same thing to the sheperd whom they killed. As Shaykh Abdul Khaliq Hasan Ash-Shareef states about this narration:

It should be made clear that those people who came to the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) were Muslims and they were sick. The Prophet advised them to go to the herd of camels and to drink their milk and urine (as a medicine). When they became healthy, they killed the herder of the Prophet and drove away all the camels that were allocated for sadaqah (charity). When the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) came to know about this, he applied the punishment for Hirabah on them. Hiraba means killing people, robbing their money or raping women by an armed group of people. The punishment for Hirabah is mentioned in the Qur’an. Allah says:

“The only reward of those who make war upon Allah and His Messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be that they will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. Such will be their degradation in the world, and in the Hereafter theirs will be an awful doom” (Al-Ma’idah: 33).

As for branding their eyes, the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) branded the eyes of the people of `Ukl or `Uraina with iron because they killed the herder and branded his eyes with iron. Imam Ibn Hajar stated the differences of opinions among scholars and he said, “The killing that took place (that is, in reference to the above hadith) was in retaliation and Allah Almighty says,

‘And one who attacketh you, attack him in like manner as he attacked you’ (Al-Baqarah: 194).”

All in all, using this story as evidence in favor of the permissibility of torturing people in Islam is refuted by the fact that the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) applied the punishment for Hirabah on them and that he did not do so for personal vengeance. (SOURCE, emphasis added)

Likwise, Moiz Amjad writes:

There is only one part of the referred narrative, which raises a question-mark in one's mind. It apparently seems strange that after having implemented the punishment prescribed in the Qur'an for crimes committed against the society, in general, why did the Prophet (pbuh) ordered their eyes to be branded. Most of the narratives do not provide an answer to this question. However, in one of the narratives reported in Ibn Al-Jarood's Al-Muntaqaa, Anas (ra) is reported to have explained the reason for this punishment as well. The companion of the Prophet (pbuh) is reported to have said:

The Prophet (pbuh) branded their eyes because they had branded the eyes of the herdsmen. (volume 1, Pg. 216)

This explanation adequately clarifies the fact that the Prophet (pbuh) ordered the branding the eyes of the culprits, in compliance with the Qur'anic directive of Qisaas (Al-Baqarah 2: 178, Al-Maaidah 5: 45) for the punishment of murder and inflicting physical injury on someone. In view of the foregoing explanation, I find no reason to consider the incident narrated in the referred narrative to be unauthentic. (SOURCE)

Shaykh Muhammad al-Qannâs, a Professor at Al-Imam University (Riyadh, Saudi Arabia), places the narration in perspective by presenting the views of the various Muslim scholars:

The above mentioned hadîth is narrated in Sahîh al-Bukhârî (6802) and Sahîh Muslim (1671). It reads:
Some people belonging (to the tribe) of `Uraynah came to the Prophet (peace be upon him) at Madînah, but they found its climate uncongenial. So the Prophet (peace be upon him) said to them: If you so like, you may go to the camels that are part of the charity and drink their milk and urine. They did so and were all right. They then fell upon the shepherds and killed them and turned apostates from Islam and drove off the camels of the Prophet (peace be upon him). This news reached Allah’s Apostle (peace be upon him) and he sent (people) on their track and they were (brought) and handed over to him. He got their hands cut off, and their feet, and put out their eyes, and threw them on the stony ground until they died.

The scholars disagree among themselves on this punishment:

1. Some said: This punishment was in retaliation for their act and the Prophet (peace be upon him) punished them in the same way that they killed the shepherds. It is mentioned in Sahîh Muslim


“The Prophet (peace be upon him) put out their eyes because they put out the eyes of the shepherds”.

The people concerned in studying the Prophet’s (peace be upon him) military career said: They dismembered the shipyards. Ibn al-Qayyim said: “It is extracted from the story of al-`Arâniyîn tribe that the criminal will be subject to the same act similar to the one he perpetrated, when they put out the shepherd’s eyes, he put out their eyes.” [Zâd al-Mâ`âd: (3/286)]

2. Other scholars said what is mentioned in the hadîth is abrogated, according to the prohibition of mutilation.

Accordingly, what took place in this hadîth was abrogated. This was adopted by al-Bukhârî. He narrated from Qatâdah that: “It is been narrated to us from the Prophet (peace be upon him) after that the Prophet (peace be upon him) encouraged charity and prohibited mutilation.” [Sahîh al-Bukhârî (4192)].

It was narrated by Qatâdah through Muhammad b. Sîrîn that this took place before the revelation on the ruling of punishments. [Sahîh al-Bukhârî (5686)]

Al-Hâzimî said: “This hadîth was abrogated” and he set a chapter “Mutilation and its abrogation”. He said: “A group of people adopted the opinion that these ruling were fixed in the beginning and then were abrogated when Allah sent: “The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger…” [Sûrah al-Mâ’dah: 33]

[Al-I`tibâr fi al-Nâsikh wa al-Mansûkh, page 196].

It could be that this severe punishment was at the beginning because the Prophet (peace be upon him) knew that some of the tough and hardened Bedouins who live around Madînah would not refrain from attacking others unless they heard of some of these severe punishments. The desert Bedouins living in the surrounding wilderness were warlike tribes used to toughness and to causing harassment. Allah says: “The dwellers of the desert are very hard in unbelief and hypocrisy, and more disposed not to know the limits of what Allah has revealed to His Messenger; and Allah is Knowing, Wise” [Sûrah al-Tawbah: 97] (IslamToday fatwa service)


Therefore, the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) did not punish them any more than the harm they inflicted upon the sheperd and the Muslim community. He also sent a strong message to other desert tribes who were accustomed to raiding and attacking nearby villages and tribes. This punishment was done for the security of the Muslim community, living in a very dangerous time with no formal legal system governing the arabian tribes. The situation is incomparable to modern times where governments have strong control over their territories - in arabia there existed a tribalistic anarchy.
As Shaykh Muhammad 'Ata Al Sid Sid Ahmad writes:

When the criminals of 'Urainah betrayed the community of Madinah which had met them with all love and respect -- by torturing and killing the herder of their camels and escaping with the Muslim's camels as their booty -- the Prophet quickly marshalled all his powers, arrested and dealt with them in the severest manner as the law allowed him. (Al-Sid, Islamic Criminal Law: The Hudud; Malaysia, Eagle Trading Sdn. Bhd., 1995, p. 132)

It should also be noted that many critics of the punishments in Islam are themselves believers in an afterlife in which people will be punished for their crimes, often with eternal torment in Hell. Eternal torment is far more servere than any temporary punishment delivered in this life. The punishments prescribed in Islam are intended to purify the offender of their sin in order that they may be saved from a far greater punishment in the next life. It seems that when one defers a punishment to the afterlife, there is a subconcious belief that such a punishment is not as "real" and consequently it is not as bothering to sentence someone to eternal torture in Hell as it is to prescribe a painful punishment here and now. Such thinking is inherently flawed.

Some writers have also claimed that the punishment delivered to the Ukil/Urayna tribe was prescribed for their apostasy. This is clearly rejected by the text of the hadith as well as the consensus of all Muslim jurists. Shaykh Muhammad S. Al-Awa explains this as well:

On the other hand, the prevalent view among Muslim jurists is that the case of this group of 'Ukal and 'Urayna was a case of hiraba (armed robbery) and it was for this crime that they were punished (fn. See Tabari, Tafsir, vol. VI, pp. 132-146; Ibn al-Qayyim, Zad al-Ma'ad, vol. III, p. 78; Ibn Hajar, Fath Al-Bari, where he criticises Bukhari's view). The text itself demonstrates this very clearly. (El-Awa, Punishment in Islamic Law; US American Trust Publications, 1993, p. 51)

To conclude, this narration refers to an event of Hiraabah (armed robbery), where the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) implemented the law of Qisas (retribution), and the offendors were punished exactly as they had punished the sheperd. The Prophet did not exceed this limit at all in his prescribed punishment, but rather purified the offenders so that the punishment in the next life would be averted.


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[scentsofjannah]

salamz.. actually that's very authentic... and infact there's a verse in quran that pretty much dishes out the same rulign to terrorists like that.

thievery gets hands cut off, but when u do highway robberies/rape etc.. and put the entire society at risk.. the punishment is multiplied

they are guilty of murder and theft from my understanding..the punishment for murder is death ..the punishment for theft is cutting of hands..what about the cutting of the feet? and the poking of eyes with heated iron? isnt this a transgression? torture?

[Malaikah]

serves them right, that was just plain evil of them to betray the muslims in such a terrible way!

[scentsofjannah]

Fisabillah thanks..that was very helpful...i still don't understand the cutting of the feet..in your reply it says thats the punishment for armmed robbery..why then does Saudiarabia prescribe death for armed robberers..and in my view i think this is a better judgement??

JazkAllah khair

[afriend]

You must look at a few things when looking at ahadeeth. Even in Bukhaari, there may be 1 or 2 out of hundred thousands that may be a little changed/twisted.#

Ra'wee-Chain of narrators [VERY IMPORTANT], at the moment will just leave it at the ra'wee.

Who are the narrator(s) in the chain? research their lives, what other ahadeeth have they reoprted? Alhtough it has been thoroughly checked by Bukhari, everyone is human.

[lolwatever]

^ salamz sis

since when was saudiarabia a standard 4 nething :eek:

Allah's judgement is the best... plus u gotta remember, there's a difference between somoene steeling something of someone else, and gang crime, the first is an individual crime that puts individuals at risk.. the 2nd one is on a social scale.

the obvious reason 4 the crucifixion and amputation is to serve as a super severe deterrant... lol im sure we wouldnt hav the crime rates we do in the world today if rules like that where implemented (assuming everythign else is shareeah based)

salamz

[lolwatever]

You must look at a few things when looking at ahadeeth. Even in Bukhaari, there may be 1 or 2 out of hundred thousands that may be a little changed/twisted.#

Ra'wee-Chain of narrators [VERY IMPORTANT], at the moment will just leave it at the ra'wee.

Who are the narrator(s) in the chain? research their lives, what other ahadeeth have they reoprted? Alhtough it has been thoroughly checked by Bukhari, everyone is human.

bro no one can deny the authenticity of the hadith. and it makes perfect sense too. punishment for a gang rapist just can't be teh same as an adulterer.

salamz

[afriend]

bro no one can deny the authenticity of the hadith. and it makes perfect sense too. punishment for a gang rapist just can't be teh same as an adulterer.

salamz

I'm not saying this specific hadeeth is questionable. I'm pointing out in general.

[lolwatever]

ah k :X silly lolly..

[scentsofjannah]

What about these other hadeeths that seem to be putting our beloved Prophet pbuh in a very bad light.
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[lolwatever]

oh god.. you need to learn a bit abotu what sahih bukhari is and how it was collected b4 u start behaving like a judge around here.. visit cheeses blog for more info.

incase ur trying to launch sexism alarms around here regarding that hadith... a verse exists regarding both husbands and wives, 'ina min azwajikum wa awlaadikum '3aduwwan lakum fah-tharhum' (some of your spouses (husband or wife) and your children are enemies to you so beware)

salam

[- Qatada -]

Answering false claim nr.2:


‘an answer to the false claim that evil omen is in the women’

(misunderstood hadith) Volume 7, Book 62, Number 30:

Narrated Abdullah bin 'Umar: Allah's Apostle said, "Evil omen is in the women, the house and the horse.'

Answer: the Hadith mentioned above has come in most of the major books of Hadith in the words near to the ones quoted here. However, the following text of it contained in the sixth volume of Imam Ahmad Ibn Hambal’s Musnad presents the true picture in this regard:

* Abu-Hassan reports that two people came to A’ishah and said to her that Abu Hurayrah narrates that the Prophet used to say that bad luck is to be found only in women, horses and houses. At this A’ishah replied: By the God who revealed the Qur’an to the Prophet! The Prophet never said this; what he did say was that the People of the Jahilliyyah hold this opinion…

It is evident from this text of the Hadith that this saying has been erroneously attributed to the Prophet (sws). He had actually quoted the views held by the people of Jahilliyyah (age of ignorance).


source: http://www.answering-christianity.co...of_hadiths.htm

[Ghazi]

The Prophet said, “Bad luck, misfortune and doom can exist in a wife, a home and a horse” (Sahih Bukhari, Book of Nikah 3:60)

I've read this hadith in sahih bukhari, firstly i'd like to say i think what ever the source where u got it from has an agenda cause the version I read clearly explains whats ment by this hadith, it's talking about if there was such a thing as supersition, i suggest if u wanna read sahih hadiths read them from the books not online where people can easily take a hadith a twist the words around and place their own agenda on things.

[Snowflake]

I thought the punishment for first time offenders (thieves) was to have just one hand cut off? And the second time to have the opposite foot cut off. Not both hands and feet as the hadith about the shepherd?

Explain anyone?


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[lolwatever]

^ salamz sis

nah this is totally diff.. high way robbery has a totally different ruling compared to individual case theft n thigns like that..

so stealing zAk's computer for example is diff 2 raiding a ship cargo...

salamz

[Snowflake]

^Wa'salam.... Ahh maybe. But what's the punishment for stealing zAk's computer or inciting others to do so? lol. I tried searching the punishment for thieves but to no avail. OK what about this:

They did so and were all right. They then fell upon the shepherds and killed them

they killed the herder of the Prophet and drove away all the camels that were allocated for sadaqah

So was it one shepherd or more?

[akulion]

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Reading the above you will understand why the command was to run away - since there was no cure available in those days and infection of other non infected people could easily occur.

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