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    Women participation in Masjid: A textual examination
    By Shah Abdul Halim
    Thu, 21 Sep 2006, 07:54:00




    Women constitute fifty percent of the population. Without the active participation of women no society can make any meaningful progress, neither materially nor spiritually. Our society however hardly realizes this. We therefore see that women, with a few exception, are still not been allowed to enter the Masjid (mosque) in Bangladesh although nobody can think of changing this morbid society without the active participation of the half of its population.

    Women, being mothers, are the first teachers to impart moral teachings to the new born babies. Unless they have access to the mosque how they can learn the teachings of Islam. It is important that when the general curriculum is secular, imparting no ethical values to the new generation of students, we open the door of the mosque to the women so that they can learn the primary teachings of Islam from the mosque Imams and keep the home environment essentially close to Islam. Only the vibrant Islamic families can guarantee the renaissance of Islam in the days ahead and salvage Muslim societies from the onslaught of materialism and consumerism. It is also important that we keep alive the age old tradition of teaching the fundamentals of Islam to the children in the family in view of the U.S. agenda to destroy the Islamic seminaries, the Madrasas which it thinks are the breeding ground of Islamic fundamentalists, militants and terrorists The reality however is that it is these centers that have kept the Islamic culture alive in the society. U.S. is pressing the government of Pakistan to change the curriculum of the religious schools, and urging President Pervez Musharraf to divert all donations from religious seminaries and at the same time asking the government of Pakistan to takeover the endowment properties, the Walkf, that belongs to these institutions. U.S. is also trying to influence the leadership in Bangladesh to materialize its agenda.

    Two-three years back my friend Dr. Muhammad Ataul Karim, Dean, School of Engineering, City University, New York came to visit Bangladesh, his home country. It so happened that Dr. Karim and his daughter were at Sonargaon Hotel at the time of Maghrib prayer. Leaving his daughter, Dr. Karim wanted to go to nearby Kawran Bazar mosque to pray Salatul Magrib, but the daughter insisted that she will also pray Magrib at that mosque. Dr. Karim fully aware of the socio-cultural and religious scenario of the country went to the mosque Imam for permission so that his daughter could offer Salatul Magrib at that mosque. But the girl raised a very pertinent question: Why such permission shall at all be needed when she can pray in any mosque in U.S. and no permission is required.

    Every year thousands of women of our country visit Saudi Arabia to perform Umra and Hajj. They pray both at Baitullah at Makkah and Masjid An Nawabi at Madina. Our women leaders, notably Begum Khaleda Zia and Sheikh Hasina, perform Umra and Hajj and our television channels broadcast these religious rituals and we see them performing Umra and Hajj and praying at Masjid An Nawabi. We see in the television screen ladies performing Salat in the mosque during two Eid festivals in Indonesia, Malaysia, Morocco and other Muslim countries, but still we do not encourage our women participation in the mosque.

    Why is this sorry state of affairs? Why are the ladies barred from entering mosque? Is there any Shariah bar on women entering the mosque? This needs in-depth study and misgiving, if any, need to be removed.

    If we look at Baitullah we find that even today women pilgrims have complete access to this mosque and women can pray wherever and whenever they like, no barriers separated the men and women. In the Masjid An Nawabi built by Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) prayers were conducted in the vast empty courtyard and significantly there appears to have no walls or other barriers separating men and women, and there was no other partition or screen as evidence of gender segregation at least at the time of noble Prophet. This will be clear if any one consults the early books on the architectural design of Masjid An Nawabi, a simple rectangular structure. The description of the mosques' layout and the Quran indicate women's complete access and participation.

    Here in this article I shall examine the verses of the Quran and Hadiths - sayings, actions and tacit approval of the Prophet, things happening before him but he did not oppose- which supports women's access to the mosque and also those verses of the Quran and Hadiths which often misquoted to discourage the presence of the women in the mosque.

    QURAN

    A close examination of the Quran shows and depicts that some verses address man in general terms that include woman, male plural which in Arabic grammar and lexicography can include women. Female plural does not include men. Some verses address woman specifically either by the female plural or by referring to particular woman as Hazrat Marayam.

    Al Quran states: … you should face Him only in each and every place of worship in prayers … [7(Surat Al Araf):29]. In another verse Al Quran states: O children of Adam wear your beautiful apparel at every time and place of prayer … [7(Surat Al Araf):31]. Here in these two verses all Muslims are commanded to pray at every mosque and take adornment, beautiful attire - clothing, attar etc.

    Several verses talk negatively of those who prevent believers from mosque and warn them of severe punishment as for example Al Quran states:

    And who is more unjust than he who forbids mention of God's name from any of His houses of worship and strive for their ruin although they have no right to enter them save in fear of God. For them, in this world, there is ignominy in store; and for them, in life to come, awesome suffering [2 (Surat Al Baqarah):114].

    In another verse Al Quran states: But what have they now in their favor that God should not punish them- seeing that they bar the believers from the Sacred Mosque, although they are not its rightful guardians? None but the God-conscious can be its guardians; but most of them do not know [8 (Surat Al Anfal):34].

    In another verse Al Quran states: Behold, as for those who are bent on denying the truth and bar others from the path of God and from the Sacred Mosque which We have set up for all people alike - both those who dwell there and those who come from abroad - and all who seek to profane it by deliberate evildoing, all such shall We cause to taste grievous suffering in life to come [22 (Surat Al Hajj):25].

    Al Quran in another verse states: They are the ones who disbelieved and hindered you from the Sacred Mosque and the sacrificial animals, detained from reaching their place of sacrifice. Had there not been believing men and believing women whom you did not know that you were trampling down and whose account a guilt would have accrued to you without your knowledge, Allah would have allowed you to force your way, but He held back your hands that He may admit to His mercy whom He will. If they had been apart, We should certainly have punished the unbelievers among them with a grievous punishment [48 (Surat Al Fatah):25].

    The aforementioned verses [2:114, 8:34, 22:25 and 48:25] indicate the right and obligation of every Muslim to participate in the mosque activities. The context of these verses indicates and suggests that this applies to all believers regardless of gender although participation of women has not been mentioned in explicit terms in the aforementioned verses.

    Other verses however specifically mention women's participation in group prayer. Al Quran states: The believers, men and women, are protectors (Arabic word used awliya) of one another, they enjoin what is just and forbid what is wrong; they perform regular prayers, pay zakat and obey Allah and His Messenger. Allah will have His mercy on them. Surely Allah is All-Mighty, All-Wise [9 (Surat At Taubah):71].

    The above verse signifies togetherness in prayers as well as in enjoining good, forbidding evil, giving charity and obeying God and His Prophet. These activities clearly have a public aspect to their fulfillment and are mandated for both men and women.

    The term awliya have different meanings: helpers, allies, supporters, friends, protectors, neighbors, followers or close unto one another and also used to describe relationship between Ansar and Muhajirun [8 (Surat Al Anfal):72] and also relationship between God and His close ones [10 (Surat Yunus):62].

    This responsibility of counseling (awliya) is not restricted of giving advise by man to man and woman to woman but also man to woman and woman to man. This responsibility has been fulfilled by the woman who was present in the mosque when she opposed the fixation of dower mahr by Caliph Umar ibn al Khattab while giving sermon in the mosque on the ground that the Quran does not limit this [4 (Surat An Nisa):20]. This incident also indicates that women were present in the mosque during the time of Caliph Umar ibn al Khattab.

    In another verse Al Quran specifically addresses Hazrat Marayam to offer prayer in congregation. Al Quran states: O Mary! Worship your Lord devoutly, prostrate (Arabic word irkai) yourself and bow down in prayer with those who bow down (Arabic word ar-rakiun) [3(Surat Al Imran): 43].

    Here in this verse the term used with those who bow down is ma'a al rakiin. Rakiin is the masculine plural form. According to Arabic grammar and lexicography, as also mentioned earlier, it may or may not include women, but must include men.

    The feminine plural would have been rakiat, which is not used in this verse. It is thus clear that Hazrat Marayam is ordered to pray with a group that includes men. The words used in the verse with those who bow down- Arabic words ma'a al rakiin. Rakiin is interesting. The word ma'a means with and not behind or away from or segregated from. Thus it is also crystal clear and established that Hazrat Marayam was asked to pray with men and not behind men or away from men or segregated from men.

    The presence of Hazrat Marayam in the mosque is further indicated in verse 3 (Surat Al Imran): 37. The word mihrab used in this verse is not the prayer direction commonly used but 'a place of praying or private room'. [Dr. Muhammad Taqi-ud-Din Al-Hilali and Dr. Muhammad Muhsin Khan, Interpretation of the meanings of The Noble Quran In the English Language, King Fahd Complex for the Printing of the Holy Quran, Saudi Arabia.] That a woman is depicted as being present in its inner most sanctum means that she had full access to the mosque.

    This verse also present Hazrat Marayam as not being segregated from men, since Prophet Zakariya entered the mihrab when she was there and talk to her and then offered prayer [3 (Surat Al Imran): 37-39]. This clearly illustrates the position of the Quran as regards the presence of women in the mosque.

    That Prophet Zakariya was praying in the mihrab [3 (Surat Al Imran): 39], he came out of mihrab [19 (Surat Marayam): 11] and Prophet Dawud was present in the mihrab [38 (Surat Sad): 21-22] establish that marhab was not a ladies' chamber.

    The Quran testifies to the legitimacy of the women's using the mihrab and entering with men in Masjid al Aqsa, the third major Muslim shrine. General and gender specific verses indicate that women had full access to the mosque and that praying next to men was considered normal and legitimate. The material and textual sources dating to Islam's ideal period point that women had full access to the mosque.

    We can conclude from the aforementioned evidence that material and textual records appear to support full female access to the mosque during the time of Prophet, both Makkan and Madinan periods. What is noteworthy is that at the two earliest and most important shrines, there were no barriers separating women from men and no separate entrances. Although some changes took place during the time of Caliph Umar ibn al Khattab, there was however no walls or barriers separating men from women within the courtyard.

    The first one in which partitions separating men and women was introduced was al Aqsa mosque for there were three maqsurat (separate enclosures or compartments shut off by wooden lattices or even by balustrades) for women in 912-913, the first maqsurah probably built during the early Umayyad era that was an enclosure near the mihrab that separated the ruler from the people and this was disapproved by the scholars.

    HADITH


    We shall now examine the Hadith literature which is often misquoted. Eminent Islamic scholar Muhammad Nasiruddin Albani in his book 'Sifatu Salatin Nabie Minat Taqbire Ilat Taslim Kaannaka Tarahu' quoted a Hadith from Muslim, Abu Dawud, Ibn Khojaimah in which Prophet is reported to have said: A dog, an ass and a woman interrupt prayer if they pass in front of the believer, interposing themselves between him and the qiblah [Muhammad Nasiruddin Albani, Rasulullahr Namaj, Shatabdi Prokashoni, 491/1 Moghbazar Wireless Rail Gate, Dhaka-1217, 1998, p 45]. This Hadith seems to aimed at placing women behind men during prayer. Hazrat Aisha, mother of the believers, however contradicted this Hadith saying: You compare us now to asses and dogs.

    In the name of God, I have seen the Prophet saying his prayers while I was there, lying on the bed between him and the qiblah and in order not to disturb him, I did not move [Fatima Mernissi, The Veil & The Male Elite: A Feminist Interpretation of Women's Rights in Islam, Perseus Books, Cambridge, Massachusetts, 1991, p 70]. She criticized the lumping together of women with dogs and donkeys which she regarded as insult on the person and personality of women.

    In another Hadith the Prophet is reported to have said: The better rows for men are front ones, and the worst are the last ones. The better rows for women are the last ones and the worst are the first ones.

    This Hadith however does not clearly prohibit women from the mosque and only seeks to place women behind men in prayers and not intended to prevent women from praying next to men in most crowded mosque. This Hadith also need to be reconciled with another Hadith in which the Prophet is reported to have said: The first rows [of the prayers] were perceived as superior, specially the first one, for God and the angles bless the first row and the first few rows. To interpret this Hadith in a way that goes against the principle of human equality as enshrined by Islam cannot be acceptable for this is against the very spirit of Islam and principle of natural justice of which Islam is exponent. Prophet in all fairness cannot deny blessings to women keeping them in the rear rows. In fact some scholars got confused and compared the best rows with the prayer rows. In fact the Hadith has been explained in a misplaced context. The best row is the first row of the battle. In other words, the Prophet encouraged women to stay behind the lines during the battles. This becomes clear if the aforementioned Hadith is read together with Quran. Al Quran states: God loves those who fight in His cause in row, as if they were an ordered structure [61 (Surat As Saff): 4]. The problem with this particular Hadith arose as later compiler of Hadith categorized this Hadith with the chapter of prayer, salat.

    That woman is not barred from the mosque is clear from the Hadith in which Prophet is reported to have said: O women. When the men prostrate themselves, then lower your gaze, so you do not see the private parts of the men due to tightness of their loin cloths.

    Al Fanjari cites a tradition showing that a beautiful woman used to pray behind the Prophet and in front of other men. [See al-Hafiz 'Amad al-Din Abi al-Fida' Ismail ibn Kathir al-Qurashi al-Dimashqi, Tafsir al-Quran al-Azim (Cairo: Dar Ihya al-Kutub al-Arabiyah), 548-50; and al-Fanjari, Ikhtilat, 46, quoted in Nevin Reda's Women in the Mosque: Historical Perspectives on Segregation, American Journal of Islamic Social Sciences, vol. 21, no. 2, spring 2004, p 88 ]

    Did any woman lead prayer in which male participated in any point of history. According to Hadith Prophet had commanded Umm Waraqah bint Abd Allah ibn al Harith al Ansari to lead people of her area (dar) in prayer. She had her own muadhdin, and she used to lead the people of her area (dar) [Al Banna, Fath, vol. 5, 3:1375, quoted in Nevin Reda's Women in the Mosque: Historical Perspectives on Segregation, American Journal of Islamic Social Sciences, vol. 21, Spring 2004, no. 2, p 91]. The use of muadhdin indicates that she lead prayer in which a good number of Muslims were present.

    The aforementioned Hadith of the Prophet is also recorded in the Hadith Compilation Sunan Abu Dawud which reads: The Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) used to visit her (Umm Waraqh daughter of Abd Allah b. al-Harith) at her house. He appointed a muadhdhin to call adhan for her; and he commanded her to lead the inmates of her in prayer. Abd al-Rahman said: I saw her muadhdhin who was an old man. On the basis of this tradition a group of scholars maintain that a woman can act as imam for the people who reside with her in her house, although they include males [Sunan Abu Dawud, vol. 1, Chapter 212-The Imamate of Women, Hadith No. 592, note 260, English tr. by Prof. Ahmad Hasan, Al-Madina Publications (P) Ltd, C 11 Preet Vihar, New Delhi- 110092, First Edition in India 1985, pp155-156].

    Eminent Nigerian Islamic scholar and jurist Barrister Adeleke Dirisu Ajijola commenting whether a woman can become Imam wrote: "There are no priests in Islam. … there is no ritual in Islam which cannot be performed by any believer of sound mind, either a man or a woman, some functions, such as that of prayer leader (Imam) may fall to a particular person because of knowledge, particularly of the Quran, respectable, of repute or age but could be performed by anyone, male or female with required qualification. … Therefore, during the Prophet's time, women prayed in the mosque. They were not separated from men by any screen or curtain in the mosque; they did not wear veils although they were dressed decently … In fact, they have acted as Imams while men followed them in prayers" [The Concept of Family in Islam, Chapter 3- Can a Woman Become an Imam? Adam Publishers & Distributors, New Delhi, 2002, pp 227-230].

    In Islam women could be confined to home only as a measure of punishment if the charge of fornication is proved by four witnesses [4(Surat An Nisa):15]. This verse of the Quran need to be read together with saying of the Prophet: Do not stop Allah's women slaves from going to Allah's mosques [Sahih Al Bukhari, Vol. 2, Book of Jumua- XIII, Chapter 11, Hadith No. 23, Dar Al Arabia, Beirut, p 10]. Because of this tradition of the Prophet, Caliph Umar ibn al Khattab, despite personal dislike of his wife going to mosque, refused to prohibit her from going to the mosque and she continued to attend prayer in the mosque.

    I shall conclude the article narrating the prayer arrangement in one of the mosque in Toledo, Ohio, U.S. in which "the main prayer is conducted with women and men praying together separated by a three-foot partition that runs through the centre of the hall. The women therefore do not pray behind the men but along with them" [Akbar S. Ahmed (Ibn Khaldun Chair of Islamic Studies, American University, Washington, DC), Islam Under Siege, polity, U.K. in association with Blackwell Publishing Ltd., 2003, p136].
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    informaive post masAllaah.

    whoever say woman is forbidden in mosque is clearly not accurate.

    whoever say woman must participate her prayer in mosque is clearly not accurate also.

    u must understand it is close to impossible to concentrate while there are stranger opposite gender around you while u want a good concentration in the prayer.

    it is better for man to perform his paryer in mosque and woman at her home.
    unless there is a non islamic mahram presents in the familly and woman wants to be educated or other logical things.

    and ofcourse its a obligatory duty for the mahram of the family to make his family educated about islam.
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    format_quote Originally Posted by i_m_tipu View Post

    u must understand it is close to impossible to concentrate while there are stranger opposite gender around you while u want a good concentration in the prayer.

    it is better for man to perform his paryer in mosque and woman at her home.
    unless there is a non islamic mahram presents in the familly and woman wants to be educated or other logical things.
    .
    This would show that it is the man who is unable to practice self control, and this to me would also signify the lack of devotion the man has for God. If you concentrate on God nobody can distract you, and i mean NOBODY!
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    Bangladesh...has many social problems..first and foremost they should get rid of that president! or have they missed that hadith about women being leaders?

    AND...i went to Bangladesh last year, they have praying facilities for women in many local masjids, my relative who recently moved here from Bangladesh related to me how she used to pray Taraweeh in congregation at her local village masjid.
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    format_quote Originally Posted by AvarAllahNoor View Post
    This would show that it is the man who is unable to practice self control, and this to me would also signify the lack of devotion the man has for God. If you concentrate on God nobody can distract you, and i mean NOBODY!
    your point has logic but i m afraid it is not appropriate for all.

    Because a few percent of people can gives an unbroken concentration in prayer.

    Try it by urself u will understand surely.

    And I believe people should avoid what is not appropriate for the max.
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    ASALAMOALAIKUM
    offering salaat in mosque is for men ....not women ..the best place for a women to offer prayerz is her own place meanz her own home ....
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    Alaikumassalam,

    It is true that there are among men those for whom a woman's nearby presence can distract his prayer, and this fact needs to be taken into consideration. Will it not eventually become that there are among Mosque those which specialise in providing sancity for masculine concentration, and those which specialise in providing external providence of protection for women outside of our homes?

    In general it seems that the question which arises in respect of the ample material provided here is only that of whom is it that women will look to for leadership? It is a sign of a good Husband that a woman is not inclined toward promoting herself. Yet that can also be a sign of an abusive Husband, which is the obvious problem.

    Where are the men whom regard that they have a wife whom is worthy of being placed upon a public pedestal as a role model for other women in women's worship? Obviously women will always like best to worship in Allah through a man; but that is not to say that sisters are not needing role models in this. I guess that the best of wives are coveted a little overly by those among their Husbands who wish that their wife never become any more expensive that she is already. What Husband would want a famous wife? Hang on, I can improve that sentence: What good Husband would want a famous wife? He might even be a very Loving Husband, but in general there has been a regard that if a man promote his wife he is implicated in enforcing a minor level of prostitution upon her.

    However, if a man were to take no material advantage from his wife being in a position of social prominence, then the situation is within entirely different regard. I believe that women, and especially teenage girls, are in need of knowing the stories of contemporary women whom can role model for us all the behavioural patterns that are best to worship in. But also provide women with ideas around which to gravitate Prayer etc. In an ideal world such tasks will always be done by men, but the world is less than ideal at this time, and it is truly the case that in the most equitable societies that are male dominated, there is always a function for women's secrets that are of worship. For example: the skills of a midwife are necessarily skills in Allah.

    Who will be role modelling to women how to maintain practical worship whilst needing to engage in changing nappies and cooking meals. I read one thread about from a woman asking if she is allowed to answer the door if the door bell rings while she is in prayer. She was expecting an important visitor or she would not have asked. These sorts of questions are seemingly too obvious for men, and most would only condemn her Husband for not having ensured she had clarity. Yet I have also spoken to a Taxi driver whom told me that his wife had reverted and was praying regularly but he was not. How many Muslim women are in fact more devout than their Husbands? Perhaps they are even praying within a constant prayer also for their Husband?

    All these women need a role model of what is correct. What is it that a revert can cause around her home to make a space sanctified for worship when her husband is not inclined to pray. Certainly there are rules against a non-Muslim man marrying a Muslim woman, but if they both cease practise, and then she reverts, she is certainly not wrong to stay married to him, especially if there are children. Are there social structures existing in which these women can communicate their needs? Perhaps there are women whom regard their Husbands with a compassion in letting him fall into memory lapses about the relevant ahadith etc? Surely such women are in need of the support of the Ummah. Is there adequate Taqleed for that time we all fear when there will be one man to ever fifty women?

    I have raised more questions here than I am answering; but perhaps it will gradually naturally become that some men who are not distracted from prayer by women's company will manage Mosque in which women are overtly welcomed, so enabling space for men in Mosques devoted to space for men to concentrate apart from women.

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    format_quote Originally Posted by i_m_tipu View Post
    your point has logic but i m afraid it is not appropriate for all.

    Because a few percent of people can gives an unbroken concentration in prayer.

    Try it by urself u will understand surely.

    And I believe people should avoid what is not appropriate for the max.
    I've expereiced it myself brother. In a Gurdwara (Sikh place of worship) We have the Right handside for men only and the left handside for the women. To this day i've not seen any man/woman trying to attract each others attention, because when people go to the Gurdwara they go to worship and not pick up the opposite sex.

    So this 'avoid what is not appropriate ' is ridiculous as it show's the man as i said before, is showing his weakness and his lack of abilty of self control!
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    format_quote Originally Posted by AvarAllahNoor View Post
    I've expereiced it myself brother. In a Gurdwara (Sikh place of worship) We have the Right handside for men only and the left handside for the women. To this day i've not seen any man/woman trying to attract each others attention, because when people go to the Gurdwara they go to worship and not pick up the opposite sex.

    So this 'avoid what is not appropriate ' is ridiculous as it show's the man as i said before, is showing his weakness and his lack of abilty of self control!
    All humans have weaknesses.

    Allah the Almighty the all-wise, has commanded us to pray behind the men, for Allah knows and we do not.
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    format_quote Originally Posted by AvarAllahNoor View Post
    I've expereiced it myself brother. In a Gurdwara (Sikh place of worship) We have the Right handside for men only and the left handside for the women. To this day i've not seen any man/woman trying to attract each others attention, because when people go to the Gurdwara they go to worship and not pick up the opposite sex.

    So this 'avoid what is not appropriate ' is ridiculous as it show's the man as i said before, is showing his weakness and his lack of abilty of self control!
    All humans have weaknesses.

    Allah the Almighty the all-wise, has commanded us to pray behind the men, for Allah knows whats in every persons heart and we do not.
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    Re: women and the mosque

    format_quote Originally Posted by AvarAllahNoor View Post
    I've expereiced it myself brother. In a Gurdwara (Sikh place of worship) We have the Right handside for men only and the left handside for the women. To this day i've not seen any man/woman trying to attract each others attention, because when people go to the Gurdwara they go to worship and not pick up the opposite sex.

    So this 'avoid what is not appropriate ' is ridiculous as it show's the man as i said before, is showing his weakness and his lack of abilty of self control!
    I don't how u prays or how many hour u r praying.
    If u prove urself u r out of weakness than u belong to that percentage of people I said earlier.

    Allaah (SWT) created us as such where we fells attraction to our opposite gender and I believe no one argue with it. It’s not a matter of lack of ability.
    It only gives the evil (satan) to play a role in the mind of human. We all (Muslim) know satan trying his level best to distract the believer from the light. So it is ridiculous idea to give opportunity in the hand of satan.

    Muslim gives time for Allaah(SWT) greater than any other religions. So i and many scholar believe to implement complex thing would not be a wise thing to do while u have better solutions.
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    Re: women and the mosque

    Alah Almighty has made it really easy for Muslim women in terms of getting the same reward as men who pray in mosque when they (the women) pray at home.

    Just because the men are required to pray in the mosque does not mean that they are getting more reward. A woman gets the same reward for her prayer at home as the reward of a man who has to travel to mosque and pray there.

    Allah has made this matter easy for the women as they bear the children and usually raise them up and take care of the home. In other words they are really busy in their domestic affairs and with their children that they can pray at home so that they are not burdened too much.

    Just imagine if it was obligatory for women to pray in the mosque. Im sure most women with children would complain and see going to the mosque as a burden. In this respect, this matter has been made easier for them.

    However this is not to sya that they should not have the choice of praying in the mosque. If they have some spare time and they would like to pray in the mosque, that should be no problem. However they should not think that by going to the mosque they will be getting more reward, because they already get that reward when they pray at home.

    PLEASE COULS SOME1 FIND THIS HADITH THAT SAYS THAT WOMEN GET REWARED THE SAME WHEN THEY PRAY AT HOME AS A MAN WHO GOES TO MOSQUE.
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    Re: women and the mosque

    the hadith/s are in the "sisters attacked..."thread.

    as for the sikh geezers theory, maybe you yourself may be able to concentrate without being distracted but you cannot vouch for the rest of the people in your temple.
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    Re: women and the mosque

    format_quote Originally Posted by Kamilah View Post
    the hadith/s are in the "sisters attacked..."thread.

    as for the sikh geezers theory, maybe you yourself may be able to concentrate without being distracted but you cannot vouch for the rest of the people in your temple.

    Erm, like i say don't you think it would be noticeble if people were distracted? I think it would. If a small percentage of men have difficulty in controlling themselves, THEY should be disallowed access, and not the women!! - If Allah allows women to enter/pray in a mosque, then who are you to say otherwise?? - You or other people should not form your own opnion in the matter!
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    format_quote Originally Posted by i_m_tipu View Post
    I don't how u prays or how many hour u r praying.
    If u prove urself u r out of weakness than u belong to that percentage of people I said earlier.

    Allaah (SWT) created us as such where we fells attraction to our opposite gender and I believe no one argue with it. It’s not a matter of lack of ability.
    It only gives the evil (satan) to play a role in the mind of human. We all (Muslim) know satan trying his level best to distract the believer from the light. So it is ridiculous idea to give opportunity in the hand of satan.

    Muslim gives time for Allaah(SWT) greater than any other religions. So i and many scholar believe to implement complex thing would not be a wise thing to do while u have better solutions.
    Then brother that small percentage you seak of, should be banned and not the women! - We devote alot of time to Allah, we're told to contemplate on him 24/7, that means no matter what we do during the day, He should remain in our thoughts constantly!
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    format_quote Originally Posted by Kamilah View Post
    All humans have weaknesses.

    Allah the Almighty the all-wise, has commanded us to pray behind the men, for Allah knows whats in every persons heart and we do not.
    True he does, but from what i hear/read Allah allows women to attend mosque, your view on it is personal and not adherent of the Kuran!
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    format_quote Originally Posted by nishom View Post
    Alah Almighty has made it really easy for Muslim women in terms of getting the same reward as men who pray in mosque when they (the women) pray at home.

    Just because the men are required to pray in the mosque does not mean that they are getting more reward. A woman gets the same reward for her prayer at home as the reward of a man who has to travel to mosque and pray there.

    Allah has made this matter easy for the women as they bear the children and usually raise them up and take care of the home. In other words they are really busy in their domestic affairs and with their children that they can pray at home so that they are not burdened too much.

    Just imagine if it was obligatory for women to pray in the mosque. Im sure most women with children would complain and see going to the mosque as a burden. In this respect, this matter has been made easier for them.

    However this is not to sya that they should not have the choice of praying in the mosque. If they have some spare time and they would like to pray in the mosque, that should be no problem. However they should not think that by going to the mosque they will be getting more reward, because they already get that reward when they pray at home.

    PLEASE COULS SOME1 FIND THIS HADITH THAT SAYS THAT WOMEN GET REWARED THE SAME WHEN THEY PRAY AT HOME AS A MAN WHO GOES TO MOSQUE.
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    this might help
    Umme Humaid the wife of Abu Humaid As-Sa’adi (ra) narrates that she came to the Prophet (pbuh) and said, “O Messenger of Allah, indeed I love to pray with you.” He replied, “I know that you love to pray with me, but your prayer in your bedroom is better than your prayer in your living room and your prayer in your living room is better than your prayer in your courtyard and your prayer in your courtyard is better than your prayer in your neighborhood masjid and your prayer in your masjid is better than your prayer in my masjid”. The narrators says, “So she gave an order and a masjid was constructed for her in the farthest and darkest corner of her house and she continued to pray there until she died.”

    (Sahidh Ibn Hibban hadith no. 2214 and Shahih Ibn Khuzaimah hadith no.1689).
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    Aisha (ra) narrated that Allah’s Messenger (pbuh) mentioned that he would perform I’tikaf in the final 10 days of Ramadhan. So she sought permission from him (to perform I’tikaf in the masjid) and he gave her permission. ( Later ) Hafsa (ra) asked Aisha (ra) to get permission for her so she did so. When Zainab bint Jahsh (ra) saw this, she ordered for a tent and it was pitched for her.” Aisha (ra) continued, “Whenever the Messenger of Allah (pbuh) would complete his prayer he would go to his tent. So he saw the tents and asked, “What is this?” They (i.e. his companions) explained, “The tents of Aisha Hafsa and Zainab” So Allah’s Messenger pbuh expressed, “Have they intended righteousness through this? I am not going to perform I’tikaf!” And he returned home.

    (Bukhari hadith no 2045)



    In a narration the Prophet asked, “What is this?” So he was informed about them. He then inquired, “What motivated them to do this? Is it righteousness? Remove them for I do not want to see them!” So they were removed.

    (Bukhari hadith no. 2041)

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    sorry, but your comments are baseless, do you have the ability to read peoples minds...how would you know outwardly what people think and do not think......your relating what your people SHOULD be doing....you have no knowledge of what they ARE thinking.

    Islam cuts things off at the roots, purity of intention.... purity of mind.

    Allah is the All-wise, we hold no authority to question his commandments, you may feel you do because you are a follower of another faith.
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    format_quote Originally Posted by AvarAllahNoor View Post
    Then brother that small percentage you seak of, should be banned and not the women! - We devote alot of time to Allah, we're told to contemplate on him 24/7, that means no matter what we do during the day, He should remain in our thoughts constantly!
    i m sure u didn’t understand the earlier post. Read again
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    Re: women and the mosque

    format_quote Originally Posted by Kamilah View Post
    sorry, but your comments are baseless, do you have the ability to read peoples minds...how would you know outwardly what people think and do not think......your relating what your people SHOULD be doing....you have no knowledge of what they ARE thinking.

    Islam cuts things off at the roots, purity of intention.... purity of mind.

    Allah is the All-wise, we hold no authority to question his commandments, you may feel you do because you are a follower of another faith.
    Refer to my last post! You're forming a personal opinion, and not what Allah instructs or allows!
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