Wife beating?

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Wife beating is not allowed in Islam in any case!

http://www.answering-christianity.com/beating_no.htm


The Arabic word used in Noble Verse 4:34 above is "idribuhunna", which is derived from "daraba" which means "beat". The thing with all of the Arabic words that are derived from the word "daraba" is that they don't necessarily mean "hit".


The word "idribuhunna" for instance, could very well mean to "leave" them. It is exactly like telling someone to "beat it" or "drop it" in English.



Allah Almighty used the word "daraba" in Noble Verse 14:24 "Seest thou not how Allah sets (daraba) forth a parable? -- A goodly Word Like a goodly tree, Whose root is firmly fixed, And its branches (reach) To the heavens". "daraba" here meant "give an example". If I say in Arabic "daraba laka mathal", it means "give you an example".



Allah Almighty also used the word "darabtum", which is derived from the word "daraba" in Noble Verse 4:94, which mean to "go abroad" in the sake of Allah Almighty:




"O ye who believe! When ye go abroad (darabtum) In the cause of Allah, Investigate carefully, And say not to anyone Who offers you a salutation: 'Thou art none of a Believer!' Coveting the perishable good Of this life: with Allah Are profits and spoils abundant. Even thus were ye yourselves Before, till Allah conferred On you His favours: therefore Carefully investigate. For Allah is well aware Of all that ye do. (The Noble Quran, 4:94)"

So "daraba" literally means "beat", or "go abroad", or "give" but not in the sense to give something by hand, but rather to give or provide an example.

Important Note: Notice how Allah Almighty in Noble Chapter (Surah) 4 He used "daraba (4:34" and "darabtum (4:94)", which are both derived from the same root. He used both words in the same Chapter, which tells me that "daraba" in Noble Verse 4:34 means to desert or leave, since that's what its derived word meant in Noble Verse 4:94. The next section below will further prove my point.

I am sure there are more Noble Verses that used words derived from "daraba" in the Noble Quran, but these are the only ones I know of so far. In the case of Noble Verse 4:34 where Allah Almighty seems to allow men to hit their wives after the two warnings for ill-conduct and disloyalty, it could very well be that Allah Almighty meant to command the Muslims to "leave" the home all together and desert their wives for a long time in a hope that the wives would then come back to their senses and repent.


...Conclusion:

According to the Noble Quran and the Sayings of Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him above, wife beating in Islam is definetly prohibited, possibly even in the case where the wife fails after she was warned twice for her ill-conduct and disloyalty.

It is definetly a valid interpretation for Noble Verse 4:34 that Allah Almighty commanded the Muslim men to desert and leave their wives, and not to physically beat them as many scholars believe.

I personally favor this non-violent interpretation, because (1) It is very well supported in Islam as clearly and unquestionably shown above; and (2) It makes more sense and seems more practical in dealing with the bad wife who insists on showing ill-conduct and disloyalty toward her husband and family.

And Allah Almighty knows best, and may He forgive me if I made any mistake here.



http://www.answering-christianity.com/beating_no.htm

Thank you for this post, I thought it did mean hit, because I thought there was a Hadith where the Prophet said somethink like he didn't want to hit women, but God made it permissible or something like that. Plus if it doesn't actually mean "hit" why all that stuff about the toothbrush?

This is an honest question for Muslims - Do you really expect English-speaking Non-Muslims to not completely reject the Quran based on the translation of the verse "and Beat them..." I mean if you read a book that said this would you even bother coming to all these Islamic Refutation websites?

I don't think Non-Muslims need to try anything, the verse in my translation says "If you fear disobedience etc etc beat them." This seems pretty clear to me. Its only because I had some prior knowledge of Islam that I bothered to come on these websites to find out the real meaning. If someone doesn't know anything/only knows bad things about Islam they are not going to bother even coming to these site to find out that it doesnt actually mean beat.

Maybe its the translators that are tryinig to make Islam look bad? I wonder if Muslims have any control over the translation of the Quran?

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Yes they do, in some cases. And no its not the translators trying to make Islam look bad, some truly hold the view that beating is allowed, so they would translate it as beating, but would they not be scared of turning potential Muslims away?

Eesa - I have come very far the past few days. Please Please Please don't tell me that "Wife beating is allowed" is an acceptable Islamic view point.

Also - I don't think its necessarily close minded of people in the West not ask about Islam. All we've seen our whole lives on TV is Muslims beating women. We know they live by the Quran, so when we read the Quran, for many its like "Well I saw lots of Muslims doing that, and here it is right here in their book."

I've also read a translation saying "scourge them"!

I think beating is allowed, but not on the face or such that leaves a mark. Islam allows parents to smack their kids if the kids misbehave, Islam allows the state to beat it's citizen's if they misbehave. So why should the wife be exempt? The wife can't beat the husband, but she can via a court and state.

Also in the UK it's ok to smack kids, but not adults, even though adults should know better and not misbehave? The police also carry weapons to beat people with. The UK gov also goes to war with countries without provocation and on suspicion.

I saw Taliban beating a woman with a stick on the news. Didn't seem that bad compared to what a UK Police officer (caught on CCTV) done to a drunk woman, beating her with a stick for several minutes while she was lying on the street!

SoulSociety - Fortunetly according to Ansar in the thread below, "beating" is not allowed. Unless its just a question of different use of the word in English. Here in America, I have never heard the word "Beat" (as in the context of "beating someone") mean "use light physical force." The more appropriate words in American English would probably be hit, tap, push.

http://www.islamicboard.com/305540-post4.html

But you bring up an interesting point, does anyone know what Islam says about "beating" your children?

Eesa what is your position on the topic?

Salaam /peace to all specially to our non-Muslim sis who is so eager to learn about Islam ....Alhamdulillah ( praise be to God only )

Pl. remember that i m a very ordinary Muslimah. I sincerely hope that my reply won't make u feel frustrated or increase ur confusion or will turn u away from learning about Islam. May Allah forbid & forgive me.

I thought there was a Hadith where the Prophet said somethink like he didn't want to hit women, but God made it permissible or something like that

----Prophet Muhammed (p) is the role model for Muslims . He NEVER , i repeat never hit /beat any of his wives. I gave one example how he spent few days & night at the mosque but did not hit any of his wives.


In the Quran , Allah says,

The Women


[4.19]

O you who believe! it is not lawful for you that you should take women as heritage against (their) will, and do not straiten them m order that you may take part of what you have given them, unless they are guilty of manifest indecency, and treat them kindly; then if you hate them, it may be that you dislike a thing while Allah has placed abundant good in it.



http://www.hti.umich.edu/k/koran/simple.html

U see ,even if husband does not like wife , Allah says may be there is something good in the relationship ...so a husband must not misbehave with wife . After reading so many verses in Quran that husbands must treat wives with kindness even when they hate them & after the examples of the Last Prophet (p) who was so gentle to his wives , why we have to accept the translation ' hit/ beat and why not ''leave" them''?


Divorce is not encouraged in Islam but allowed when necessary.

Anyway , is there any Arabic speaking person ? Can u confirm the meaning of the Arabic word that it can be translated as leave ?

This is an honest question for Muslims - Do you really expect English-speaking Non-Muslims to not completely reject the Quran based on the translation of the verse "and Beat them..." I mean if you read a book that said this would you even bother coming to all these Islamic Refutation websites?

----honest answer

I read in a news that among western reverts , most are women....it really surprises me a lot & makes me so happy

Mahsa Allah ....how it's possible ? I think, while reading the Quran , non-Muslims can feel that it's the TRUTH & may be they explain the verse like that some disobedient women may need light beating ....sometimes husbands don't have any choice but to losse control & before divorcing wife ,it's the last resort. So, some husbans who want to keep the marriege alive apply this as a last resort to save the marrige & not for touturing wife....may be, it's my opinion.

Again i m reminding u that i m a very ordinary Muslimah & pl. don't let me keep u away from searching & finding the Truth.

Thank you very much Muslim Woman, I really appreciate your replies, and thanks for sharing some of your knowledge on Islam so that others might understand as well.

With kids I think there is a quote where you are meant to teach your kids prayer by age 7, and beat them if they don't by pray age 10. Teach children by play up to age 7-10, by discipline to age 15 and then by friendship afterwards. Someone can find the exact quotes?

i dont wnt to read throught the whole topic, but from what iv read, duz this mean that its permitable for a husband to hit his wife in any way?

nice car, needs some wheels on it, i just thinks thats really unfair if a man is given permission in any way to hit his wife