salam all, one of the worst arguments against Islam is that its god is a moon god! what a funny claim indeed, this is perhaps the most easiest argument to refute:
i never said jesus said Quran, i said jesus made a criteria to let us know whethor SOMETHING is from satan or not, and the Quran happens to pass that criteria making it not from satan.
and i like your deception, you claim the verses from the bible only mean satan doesnt cast satan out, as in excorsism, WRONG, the context and meaning of that which christian scholars agree on is that satan basically does not oppose himself, whethor it be in excorsim, or whatever thing it may be. for instance stopping evil and so on cannot be from satan because satan makes evil and does bad things so he wouldnt stop it since it opposes himself and divides him. so plz dont come give twisted answers.
Re: The Quran CANNOT be from Satan, Jesus said so!
and lets play along with your claim, that the verse only means in term of excorsism, that satan doesnt cast himself out etc, well the Quran has been used in excorsisms and the prophet Muhammad also once healed a demon possesed boy. so EVEN UNDER YOUR CRITERIA THE QURAN AND THE PROPHET MUHAMMAD CANNOT BE INSPIRED BY SATAN, SO THE SUPER-NATURAL FOUND IN THE QURAN AND MIRACLES PERFORMED BY MUHAMMAD ARENT FROM SATAN. thank you.
Re: The Quran CANNOT be from Satan, Jesus said so!
format_quote Originally Posted by Sami Zaatari
i never said jesus said Quran,
just reading the title of your thread
format_quote Originally Posted by Sami Zaatari
SO THE SUPER-NATURAL FOUND IN THE QURAN AND MIRACLES PERFORMED BY MUHAMMAD ARENT FROM SATAN. thank you.
I never said that they were. I am not one of those who desires to attack either Islam or the Qu'ran. I don't even mind honest attacks against Christianity. However, I found your attacks to be something less than noble efforts, and I will dispute with you when you make outrageous statements creating strawmen of your own devising to attack and then claiming that defeating them is a defeat of Christianity. Others may be fooled by such tactics, but I am not, and I'll gladly point it out that is what you nearly always attempt to do.
And though you have termed me an "idiot" (he did not do this publically and show his true colors, but do it he did), I still wish you peace.
Last edited by Grace Seeker; 03-06-2007 at 06:42 PM.
none told me, why those Arabs say Kitaab al-Muqadas which they translate to English as The Holy Bible
why they(arabs) translate God to Allah?
why they translate Christos >> Christ to Masih
and I have many words, these so called linguists here, could be asked to translate but I shant be doing that since so many of all faith and no faith are ever-ready to twist and distort to suite their games of rebuttal/counter rebuttal << *read* abuse and counter abuse
Sorry, if you are refering to me as one of the "so called linguists" of other faiths, I don't have an answer for you. I bleieve you are asking the same question I am trying to ask in a different way.
But I don't think anyone is being abusive. I certainly didn't read that in Woodrow's post, and didn't intend that in my response to his.
Last edited by Grace Seeker; 03-06-2007 at 09:22 PM.
Re: The Quran CANNOT be from Satan, Jesus said so!
Mr. Zaatari's response to me in another thread where I called him on his word selection, claiming that somebody said something that never appeared in the text of what was posted was as follows:
this is what the missionary titled his article! so therefore grace seeker you are a LIAR in claiming i made that up and put words in his mouth, you see why you are a joke?
I am not trying to sell you on anything. Indeed I read the first post, I also read the link. What I have done follow Mr. Zaatari's lead, and simply make reference to how Mr. Zaatari has titled his article.
Again, I assert, that Jesus never once said "The Quran CANNOT be from Satan.". Mr. Zaatari infers it from other comments that Jesus did say. Whether such an inference is true or false I have chosen not to comment on. But the title is what I would expect to find in a supermarket tabloid, not from a scholar, for those are not Jesus' words. If he had not falsely ascribed that position to Jesus in the title, I would have simply ignored the entire thread.
Last edited by Grace Seeker; 03-06-2007 at 09:43 PM.
Sorry, if you are refering to me as one of the "so called linguists" of other faiths, I don't have an answer for you. You are asking the same question I am in a different way.
No Brother, It is not you pesonally, I am afraid I can't tell you for I may get into more trouble. I suggest you read my first post in this thread and follow all the replies and all will become apparent (I have already been banned from 2 forums in past 3 days) Here every time I find a falsehood by some kid/psuedo scholar, I seem to get hassle (even lost rep points) in one thread which is deleted now, my opponents rep went up by over 200 points within minutes despite him being on falsehood.
Ah well, My six children have "wasted" time and money on reading arabic, ancient greek/greek, english and I have "failed" to prove a single word. I may as well get them to throw away our collections, since it is obvious we know nothing
Since I and my family are ignorant and Know nothing, someone should tell me why
Allah = God
Mesih = Christ
Yayah = John the baptist
Musa = Moses
Tahrif = corruption, forgery
Jonah = Younas
What formulae were used?
Peace and out (hopefully not permanently)
You would have to tell me.
All of those words existed long before the first word of English was ever spoken. I do not know why the English speaking people Anglicized them into English sounding words.
none told me, why those Arabs say Kitaab al-Muqadas which they translate to English as The Holy Bible
why they(arabs) translate God to Allah?
why they translate Christos >> Christ to Masih
and I have many words, these so called linguists here, could be asked to translate but I shant be doing that since so many of all faith and no faith are ever-ready to twist and distort to suite their games of rebuttal/counter rebuttal << *read* abuse and counter abuse
none told me, why those Arabs say Kitaab al-Muqadas which they translate to English as The Holy Bible
You would have to ask why did the Chrisian missionaries that introduced the KJV to Arabs why they decided to call the Bible, Kitaab al-Muqadas
why they(arabs) translate God to Allah?
That is backwards the question is why did the English change the Arabic Allah(swt) and it's Hebrew and Aramaic spellings to the German word God(swt)
why they translate Christos >> Christ to Masih
Same as above, why did the English and Greeks change the original Arabic/Hebrew/Aramaic words to Christ?
You would have to ask why did the Chrisian missionaries that introduced the KJV to Arabs why they decided to call the Bible, Kitaab al-Muqadas
That is backwards the question is why did the English change the Arabic Allah(swt) and it's Hebrew and Aramaic spellings to the German word God(swt)
Same as above, why did the English and Greeks change the original Arabic/Hebrew/Aramaic words to Christ?
Agreed, since i was pouting/sulking I jus putt them any/every where. all have retired for the nitgh thus none to help me ATm. too much effort is making me unwell
An anti-Islamic Ali Sina who i am sure many of you know who he is has asserted that the prophet Muhammad performed no miracles! quite funny, since this guy is supposedly an expert in Islam yet made such an error in his argumentation showing how little he does know. Sina isnt a christian, rather he is an atheist or agnostic, he doesnt say which one. either way this article shows several miracles performed by the prophet Muhammad which is helpful for muslims if they ever wanted to tell non muslims about the miracles performed by the last and blessed prophet:
Mr. Ali Sina is an idiot, how can he deny the miracles of the Holy Prophet (salallahu alaihi wa salam)? He uses the ahadith and the sirah to talk about how evil (God forbid) the teachings and actions of our Holy Prophet (salallahu alaihi wa salam) are, yet those same ahadith contains eye witness accounts of the Holy Prophet's (salallahu alaihi wa salam) miracles. So either Mr. Sina has to accept the miracles of the Prophet (salallahu alaihi wa salam) or stop using ahadith in his pathetic arguments against Islam. Of course since he is a dishonest satan and wicked dajjal he will probably continue to pick and choose, and therefore he has no credibility whatsoever.
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arrogant Ali Sina, in this article here attempts to show that the Holy Prophet (S) never commited miracles.
I agree 100% with text in bold
Assalamu alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuhu
On your profile it says you are a Muslim, yet is it true that you are saying that the Holy Prophet Muhammad (salallahu alaihi wa salam) never committed any miracles? If this is true I would like to know the basis for why you are saying such a thing. Jazak Allah Khair.
On your profile it says you are a Muslim, yet is it true that you are saying that the Holy Prophet Muhammad (salallahu alaihi wa salam) never committed any miracles? If this is true I would like to know the basis for why you are saying such a thing. Jazak Allah Khair.
I think it is maybe because someone might not know. I did not know once upon a time. or maybe he meant something else
Last edited by Skillganon; 03-07-2007 at 05:08 PM.
and the article says performed miracles as well, so from where you get commit or the prophet was the source of the miracles is beyond me since that is not what i said, nor what umar said in his rebuttal.
I think it is because someone might not know. I did not know once upon a time.
he does believe the prophet Muhammad performed miracles, but he tried to be too smart with words, saying Allah gave the miracles, the power etc, hence the prophet had no miracles because Allah gave them to him and so on, lol which is what we believe! yet that still doesnt mean the prophet had no miracles or performed non, Allah gives the miracle to the prophet, and the prophet carries it out by the will and permission of Allah hence the prophet Muhammad had and did perform miracles!
Okay, after rereading NoName55's posts on this thread, it seems he is saying that he does not believe Holy Prophet (salallahu alaihi wa salam) performed miracles, but rather Allah Taala bestowed these miracles as a Sign of the truthfulness of the Holy Prophet's (salallahu alaihi wa salam) claim to nabuwat and a Sign of the Power of Allah. NoName55 should know that ALL Muslims believe this. The dispute is only the way we are conveying this in terms of terminology. When I say the miracles of Holy Prophet (salallahu alaihi wa salam) for the sake of practicality I am saying the miracles of Allah Taala through the Holy Prophet (salallahu alaihi wa salam). He was after all a human being like us and had no power to perform ANY miracle of his own accord, and this is true for all Prophets. So I hope we have cleared up the misunderstandings. Jazak Allah Khair.
some people just like to make themselves look like a genious and argue, anyways i am going for now, enjoy the article and use it on anyone who asks you for miracles of the prophet Muhammad.
You would have to ask why did the Chrisian missionaries that introduced the KJV to Arabs why they decided to call the Bible, Kitaab al-Muqadas
haven't a clue
That is backwards the question is why did the English change the Arabic Allah(swt) and it's Hebrew and Aramaic spellings to the German word God(swt)
This one is easier. It is because the English are descendants of the Normans and Saxons which were Germanic tribes, hence they already had a word for god in their language when the Romans came and introduced them to Christianity.
Same as above, why did the English and Greeks change the original Arabic/Hebrew/Aramaic words to Christ?
Well the English word Christ is derived via the Latin Christus from the Greek word christos.
Paul, in taking the message of the Messiah (whether you think he perverted it or not is another story) to the Greeks used the term christos to talk about the Messiah. My best guess is he was following the pattern established some 200 years before, when the Jews translated the Tanakh into Greek, that Jews themselves used the Greek word christos as the equivalent of the Aramaic word mesiha, which in turn corresponds to the Hebrew word masiah.
(information regarding the translation of Hebrew and Aramaic into Greek taken from The New International Dictionary of New Testament Theoloy, Colin Brown, ed.)
Last edited by Grace Seeker; 03-07-2007 at 06:42 PM.
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