What are your fellow muslims exactly doing in my Island? (OP)
This is just meant as an honest question, no offense intended but...
I do have to ask you guys why are you coming to my Island and my hometown for?
The reasons for asking this will become clear so please bear with me...
This is the mosque that your fellow correligionaires whom most are from Palestine and Jordan and whom for the most part speak neither English nor Spanish have built using money from Saudi Arabia and a few well stablsihed wealthy palestinians such as the owner of El Amal Pharmacies Saleh Yassin.
Now the question is since they do not speak either of the main languages and can't hold jobs why are they here for? Why are the Saudis and the few Wealthy palestinians paying not just for the building of mosques but for the housing, food etc. of muslims brought from the aforementioned places?
Now that the reasons behind me asking are clear can anyone here give an answer?
Thx...
People can live without takeaways If it's there we will eat it, if not then there are alternatives...
I don't think multi-culturalism should be promoted. I believe Poland is correct in its immigration policy. Multi-culturalism doesn't work. It creates conflicts.
An example, I don't think our cultures mix too well.
lol...that was a joke.
It really depends who you let in, because...There have been some really useful immigrants.
I mean, if you keep a check on the ones you let in, and make sure they're useful people who will atleast contribute to society, but on the other hand, persuading a patriot/nationalist to agree to this sort of stuff is like talking to a brick wall.
Re: What are your fellow muslims exactly doing in my Island?
The problem I see with multiculturalism is that the melting pot theory has proven to be false. Instead of a melting pot we have a salad bowl, with distinct communities developing who have no interest in becoming part of the overall American culture. This will only cause problems and divisions. I agree that all immigration isn't bad, in fact I support immigration done legally and with the intention of becoming Americans, but this hasn't been happening in the past 20-30 years.
"Imagination was given to man to compensate him for what he is not, and a sense of humor was provided to console him for what he is."
Re: What are your fellow muslims exactly doing in my Island?
format_quote Originally Posted by Iqram
lol...that was a joke.
It really depends who you let in, because...There have been some really useful immigrants.
I mean, if you keep a check on the ones you let in, and make sure they're useful people who will atleast contribute to society, but on the other hand, persuading a patriot/nationalist to agree to this sort of stuff is like talking to a brick wall.
I'm not against immigration but at this moment I believe we've exceeded the amount of people we should have. I believe in immigrants that will fill in the jobs that Britons won't do, but Britons should be put 1st in line with everything. We should only have USEFUL immigrants but we should have none that are here just to seek a better life. It doesn't matter whether they face torture, face being charged etc. They should seek elsewhere. We should not bring in immigrants to create a multi-cultural society. I'm against multiculturalism.
Re: What are your fellow muslims exactly doing in my Island?
format_quote Originally Posted by England
I'm not against immigration but at this moment I believe we've exceeded the amount of people we should have. I believe in immigrants that will fill in the jobs that Britons won't do, but Britons should be put 1st in line with everything. We should only have USEFUL immigrants but we should have none that are here just to seek a better life. It doesn't matter whether they face torture, face being charged etc. They should seek elsewhere. We should not bring in immigrants to create a multi-cultural society. I'm against multiculturalism.
I agree with half of the things you said, but if you don't take them then the neighbouring country will...Who may learn to take advantage of the situation and turn it into something really productive, and then Britain will be losing out, sulking in the corner.
Re: What are your fellow muslims exactly doing in my Island?
format_quote Originally Posted by England
I'm not against immigration but at this moment I believe we've exceeded the amount of people we should have. I believe in immigrants that will fill in the jobs that Britons won't do, but Britons should be put 1st in line with everything.
Oh yes, even though that Indian over there is better in doing the job, has lived in Britan for some years, studied the language so he speaks it very well and as I said, is better in that job than the Briton? The Briton should still be first in line to have the job?
We should only have USEFUL immigrants but we should have none that are here just to seek a better life.
It doesn't matter whether they face torture, face being charged etc. They should seek elsewhere.
Yet again man is proven to be a very selfish creature.
We should not bring in immigrants to create a multi-cultural society. I'm against multiculturalism.
Are you also against saving people's lives? Like for example, if they go through a horrible war?
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Re: What are your fellow muslims exactly doing in my Island?
format_quote Originally Posted by SoyBoricua
I'd love too but there's no phone to reach them! And the one that apparently runs the mosque is not very fond of us anyway. He treated me with a lot of suspicion when I tried to contact him using the username he himself provided on emuslim.com and the minute I suggested that it would be preferable for the to use the method we ourselves used for Viequez he blocked me...
Even their services at the mosque are at hours when most of us including myself are usualy working so they are deliberately avoiding as much contact with the locals as possible and as such there's no way to ask them!
Funny I only said it looked like a fortress not that it was a den of Jihadists as you have now suggested but thx for that heads up...
No I mean regular doors to the outside such as this:
Do not try to smart arse yourself out of this. That mosque does not look like most mosques that one would see all over the world and that is a fact...
I'm asking here because they are unwilling to provide any answers and because they are your fellow muslims after all are they not?
Even their services at the mosque are at hours when most of us including myself are ussualy working so they are deliberaty avoiding as much contact with the locals as possible and as such there's no way to ask them!
Apparantly you are not aware of our required prayers times.
For PR the times for this time of year are:
5:31AM 6:43AM 12:39PM 4:01PM 6:34PM 7:42PM
With the exception of the !2:39 Jummah prayer on Fridays, most Muslims will prayer either at work or at home. The Friday Jummah Prayer will most likely be the only time of the week that the Mosque will be open as Ponce does not have a very large Muslim Population.
As far as contacting the Imam of the Mosque, I would suspect he has a job and works to support himself. He probably is seldom at the Mosque.
Keep in Mind although the Mosque is important to us Muslims, it is not the center of our worship Allah(swt) alone is our center of worship. Our only required time for attendance at the Mosque is for Friday Jummah.
I believe the reason you will find it so barricaded is because of fear of vandalism as it would be unattended for much of the week. would you leave your home unlocked if you were only going to be in it one hour a week?
Re: What are your fellow muslims exactly doing in my Island?
format_quote Originally Posted by Iqram
I agree with half of the things you said, but if you don't take them then the neighbouring country will...Who may learn to take advantage of the situation and turn it into something really productive, and then Britain will be losing out, sulking in the corner.
Take advantage of what? Multiculturalism? Multiculturalism doesn't work. It creates problems. I don't see the Polish sulking and they have a zero-tolerance on immigration and they brag about it. I'd rather be in their position than of what we are in today.
We've lost track on how many immigrants are here. The NHS being stretched. Jobs being taken by immigrants. Threat of terrorism. Complaints of the British law that have been imposed since the 18th Century etc etc.
Immigration should be used to FILL jobs not taken, not to give someone a better way of life.
Re: What are your fellow muslims exactly doing in my Island?
format_quote Originally Posted by Al-Zaara
Oh yes, even though that Indian over there is better in doing the job, has lived in Britan for some years, studied the language so he speaks it very well and as I said, is better in that job than the Briton? The Briton should still be first in line to have the job?
Yes, of course. Turn it around. A good paying job in India comes up for a dozen professionals, technicians, etc. Should the jobs go to Britons that apply for the jobs even if they are better, or to the indians that already live there?
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oh god! u no what? ive met a Polish lady in my University here in London....& she looks ever so lost with 'whats going on in the world'...&....'whats true & whats not'..........but she's so innocent & lovely! ....me and few of my uni mates gave her dawah on Islam....but dnt worry England...it was because she was asking the questions.....she was intrested...& shocked to hear everything she did.....she concluded...that the media can mislead ppl....n definetly did to her in her own country!
another thing ENGLAND...have you noticed....a lot of polish ppl are entering England?
Re: What are your fellow muslims exactly doing in my Island?
format_quote Originally Posted by England
Take advantage of what? Multiculturalism? Multiculturalism doesn't work. It creates problems. I don't see the Polish sulking and they have a zero-tolerance on immigration and they brag about it. I'd rather be in their position than of what we are in today.
We've lost track on how many immigrants are here. The NHS being stretched. Jobs being taken by immigrants. Threat of terrorism. Complaints of the British law that have been imposed since the 18th Century etc etc.
Immigration should be used to FILL jobs not taken, not to give someone a better way of life.
Ah well...We're here now, and we're here to stay. Not to mention the mass loads of Bangladeshis that will be coming when the floods hit BD. Oooh yeah.....In 25 year's time I can see whole cities being renamed Dhakadon and Sylhetingham
Re: What are your fellow muslims exactly doing in my Island?
format_quote Originally Posted by Al-Zaara
Oh yes, even though that Indian over there is better in doing the job, has lived in Britan for some years, studied the language so he speaks it very well and as I said, is better in that job than the Briton? The Briton should still be first in line to have the job?
Yes. It is our country. If someone is useless at doing the job get rid and find a better Briton to do the job. No matter what, Britons should always be put 1st. If we had this control of immigration we could afford to increase the wage which would add incentive for the people to work harder.
format_quote Originally Posted by Al-Zaara
Yet again man is proven to be a very selfish creature.
Why should we suffer? Our NHS is overstretched, struggling to cope with the amount of people and putting our people in danger. Why can't the likes Africans, middle easterners etc seek somewhere closer to home than Britain? What's wrong with France?
format_quote Originally Posted by Al-Zaara
Are you also against saving people's lives? Like for example, if they go through a horrible war?
Re: What are your fellow muslims exactly doing in my Island?
format_quote Originally Posted by England
Why should we suffer? Our NHS is overstretched, struggling to cope with the amount of people and putting our people in danger. Why can't the likes Africans, middle easterners etc seek somewhere closer to home than Britain? What's wrong with France?
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as far as i know...france is already in this boat...as for all the ppl above uv noted....well most of them now seem to be here because....they r born & bread here.....most africans & middle easterners r not migrating here...but uv got issues of others entering the country now such as Polish as ive mentioned b4....but hey im sure every1s paying Tax...so their also contributing towards NHS....
Re: What are your fellow muslims exactly doing in my Island?
format_quote Originally Posted by deen_2007
oh god! u no what? ive met a Polish lady in my University here in London....& she looks ever so lost with 'whats going on in the world'...&....'whats true & whats not'..........but she's so innocent & lovely! ....me and few of my uni mates gave her dawah on Islam....but dnt worry England...it was because she was asking the questions.....she was intrested...& shocked to hear everything she did.....she concluded...that the media can mislead ppl....n definetly did to her in her own country!
another thing ENGLAND...have you noticed....a lot of polish ppl are entering England?
I have. I've noticed alot of come here in England. I have Polish friends and close with a Polish gal. They are great people. I like them, I respect them. They support England as their second team. Alot of them wear England shirts, respect our culture and are very respectful. The Polish women are beautiful.
But still, I stand with my opinions on immigration. They should not be here unless they are filling in the jobs. There are more than enough here. I like the Polish, but it goes for them too.
Re: What are your fellow muslims exactly doing in my Island?
format_quote Originally Posted by Iqram
Ah well...We're here now, and we're here to stay. Not to mention the mass loads of Bangladeshis that will be coming when the floods hit BD. Oooh yeah.....In 25 year's time I can see whole cities being renamed Dhakadon and Sylhetingham
Your intentions are so obvious that I'm not going to bother lol Now stop being silly, this is a serious debate here
Re: What are your fellow muslims exactly doing in my Island?
format_quote Originally Posted by England
Yes. It is our country. If someone is useless at doing the job get rid and find a better Briton to do the job. No matter what, Britons should always be put 1st. If we had this control of immigration we could afford to increase the wage which would add incentive for the people to work harder.
So only a Briton is the solution. Doesn't that make your view racist?
Why should we suffer? Our NHS is overstretched, struggling to cope with the amount of people and putting our people in danger.
Many of those times why you are in danger, is because Britain all through history has too many times put his nose in business that isn't his, complicating problems which didn't need any more complication, taking lands and wealth, also having an enormous passion for "new lands".
Why can't the likes Africans, middle easterners etc seek somewhere closer to home than Britain? What's wrong with France?
They like snails. Kidding. See, they probably seek other countries but can't help getting attracted to your beautiful country.
“If only I had checked myself”
—
Guy who wrecked himself
True leaders don't create followers...
.... They create new leaders.
Re: What are your fellow muslims exactly doing in my Island?
An example, I don't think mine and your cultures mix too well.[/QUOTE]
I think the point is to adapt oneself to someone elses culture and respect it, but not mix it. It's so obvious our culture wont mix cuz it's not even meant to.
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lol...Not exactly good manners is it England?
Look at it this way, your ancestors must have been immigrants some time or another. I mean, there have been several periods in British history where there have been invaders and settlers, such as the Anglo Saxons, Celts, Normans, Romans...Your ancestors must have been among them, they can't have been here since the start of time.
And yes, I've studied your country's history very well...Just doing my part to clean the plate which I eat out of. Are you going to throw me out?
Re: What are your fellow muslims exactly doing in my Island?
format_quote Originally Posted by Woodrow
Really seems strange that you are even asking. Since That is the Picture of the Ponce Islamic Center in Peurto Rico. I assume you are either in Peurto Rico or NYC.
It is spelled Puerto Rico and so?
format_quote Originally Posted by Woodrow
I could be asking you Why do so many of your fellow Peurto Ricons come here to the US and don't even speak the language and have no desire to learn English? Why does NYC have a larger PR population than San Juan and why do they insist on living in there own barrios in NYC and are very secretive and hostile if any of us "Gringos" step on the PR turf in NYC?
Except that most Puertorricans do hold jobs in one form or another and as for Puertorricans living in what you call Barrios is the same reason most ethnic groups clustered in neighborhoods where most of their kin lived. Racial and ethnic segregation was the order of the day for centuries up to nearly more than half of the last one. Thankfully we do not live that in the Island most ethnic where most ethnic groups including Palestinian/Jordanian muslims live in the same neighborhoods and suburbs that we do. However that's where all the similarities with the other groups in the Island stop...
format_quote Originally Posted by Woodrow
Answer those questions and you will understand why some mideasterners are coming to PR.
I already have and none of it answers their behavior here...
format_quote Originally Posted by Woodrow
The Reason for the high security around the Mosque, is to be blunt, your fellow country men do have some hostile members that can be quite hostile towards anybody who is not PR and not Roman Catholic.
Now with all due respect that has to be the biggest pile of bologney (and that's not even the appropiate word for this which I won't use out of respect) that I have ever heard!
I would like you to name one instance of violence of Puertorricans on Muslims on the Island just one!
[QUOTE=Woodrow;674746]So I will say answer why so many of your country men insist on coming up here to the states and you will have answered part of your own question.
That's easy unlike your fellow muslims overhere they go to seek better job oportunities and so on...
format_quote Originally Posted by Woodrow
As a Texas Cowboy I have seen the bigotry my country men here in the States have shown against your relatives in PR. Now, please understand that seems to be the same bigotry you are showing. Reverse bigotry is still bigotry.
Except that I'm asking a very reasonable question and do not try to play the old bigot/racist card here...
format_quote Originally Posted by Iqram
So, we're supposed to keep a track on every single Muslim brother/sister in the world. Heck I can't even keep a track on myself at times. If we all had that closeness and knowledge for the actions of every Muslim in the world, the Muslims would definitely be different to what they are today
Not at all what I'm asking is for help since they are unwilling to answer any questions themselves...
format_quote Originally Posted by England
It's not the case in Britain nor many other countries that have opened their doors to multiculturalism. It's lead to battles, conflicts, debates of the laws and cultures. It's lead to an increasing threat of terrorism. I believe Poland will one of the last countries to face a terrorist attack because of their immigration control.
Precisely one of the reasons I'm concerned and unlike all other ethnic groups that have moved to the Island including even the Chinesse this people seem hell bent on keeping themselves apart.
Goku I know you as you know me and I know that your talk of "Multiculturalism" swings only one way and that toward your religion and your religion alone. I know very well how you want and desire to impose Sharia law on your own country of U.K even with it being a country that is overwhelmingly Christian/Secular etc. I have seen what has happened in Bali, Madrid & London and have no desire to see it here. Because if God forbid it ever does and I'm sorry but I have to be blunt and tell the Honest truth and it is that where it to happen. Muslims living on the Island would be soon wishing they could walk or run on water. You have no idea how ugly things could get if your people where to slaughter mine as you have in other places of the world. We are very friendly and amiable but the thing is and I hope you all understand is that we do not bow down to anyone.
We did not bow down to the U.S navy in Viequez and we would most certainly not bow down, lay over and play dead if something as awful as those incidents where to ever take place here...
I'm trying to save lives here... Mostly those of your own fellow muslims because in the end they would be the ones truly getting the short end of the stick...
So please if anyone can contact the mosque leader and ask him about all this I'd appreciate it!
Re: What are your fellow muslims exactly doing in my Island?
Ok, buddy...
Let me ask you a question. What are your fellow Christians doing in my beloved Dubai? Opening pubs, establishing hotels and stuff...And not bothering to learn the arabic language? huh?
Re: What are your fellow muslims exactly doing in my Island?
format_quote Originally Posted by England
I have. I've noticed alot of come here in England. I have Polish friends and close with a Polish gal. They are great people. I like them, I respect them. They support England as their second team. Alot of them wear England shirts, respect our culture and are very respectful. The Polish women are beautiful.
But still, I stand with my opinions on immigration. They should not be here unless they are filling in the jobs. There are more than enough here. I like the Polish, but it goes for them too.
lollllllllll i had to laugh when i saw this, this is just too funny and typical of you western men, again its BACK TO THE LOOKS, if middle eastern women in uk were going around naked for u and looking pretty im sure you wouldnt mind them in your country then now would you? now you cant say im just making things up or else why IN THE WORLD WOULD BRING UP A LADIES LOOK? sheeshhhhhhh louise cant you western non muslim men think of anything other than a ladies look and so on or is that all you think about? i sure as heck would never leave my wife (future wife when i get one) or daughter (if i get one) around you men, THATS FOR SURE.
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