are ALL non-muslims abided in HELL...(completely explained here)

**al-fateh** · 04-11-2007

Originally Posted by Al-Fateh

are ALL non-muslims abided in HELL...(completely explained here)

Originally posted by hacyec

I believe it says in the Qur'an that there are Muslims even withing the people of the book, people who are considered Muslims. Remember that the biggest sin is to commit Shirk, do Jews do this? I was Catholic and the only time I commited something Shirk was when I was a child, but then learned to think otherwise. Personally, yes I believe that Jew's, Christians, and of course Muslims will go to heaven as long as they deserve it of course, a pious Jew is much more deserving of heaven than a murderous Muslim, you get what I mean? But all is in Allah's hands in the end brother's and sisters, salaam.

Answer by Al-Fateh

not Jew, no Christian, no other religion will have its followers go to heaven

this is agains the Quran

At-Tahreem - (The Prohibition)

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English Yusuf Ali: [66:7]
(They will say), "O ye Unbelievers! Make no excuses this Day! Ye are being but requited for all that ye did!"

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7 36 1 - are ALL non-muslims abided in HELL...(completely explained here)

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But those who reject Our signs and treat them with arrogance,- they are companions of the Fire, to dwell therein (for ever).

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"But those who reject Faith and belie Our Signs, they shall be companions of the Fire; they shall abide therein."

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Allah is the Protector of those who have faith: from the depths of darkness He will lead them forth into light. Of those who reject faith the patrons are the evil ones: from light they will lead them forth into the depths of darkness. They will be companions of the fire, to dwell therein (For ever).

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They will cry: "O Malik! would that thy Lord put an end to us!" He will say, "Nay, but ye shall abide!"

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English Yusuf Ali: [64:10]
But those who reject Faith and treat Our Signs as falsehoods, they will be Companions of the Fire, to dwell therein for aye: and evil is that Goal.

moreover....

Originally Posted by Al-Fateh

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One day will He gather them all together, (and say): "O ye assembly of Jinns! Much (toll) did ye take of men." Their friends amongst men will say: "Our Lord! we made profit from each other: but (alas!) we reached our term - which thou didst appoint for us." He will say: "The Fire be your dwelling-place: you will dwell therein for ever, except as Allah willeth." for thy Lord is full of wisdom and knowledge.

this verse is very misunderstood by MANY muslims....

Tafsir Al-Jalalayn

و اذكر يوم نحشرهم بالنون والياء أي الله الخلق جميعا ويقال لهم يا معشر الجن قد استكثرتم من الإنس بإغوائكم وقال أولياؤهم الذين أطاعوهم من الإنس ربنا استمتع بعضنا ببعض انتفع الإنس بتزيين الجن لهم الشهوات والجن بطاعة الإنس لهم . وبلغنا أجلنا الذي أجلت لنا وهو يوم القيامة وهذا تحسر منهم قال تعالى لهم على لسان الملائكة: النار مثواكم مأواكم خالدين فيها إلا ما شاء الله من الأوقات التي يخرجون فيها لشرب الحميم فإنه خارجها كما قال تعالى ثم إن مرجعهم لإلى الجحيم وعن ابن عباس انه فيمن علم الله أنهم يؤمنون فما بمعنى من إن ربك حكيم في صنعه عليم بخلقه

Al-Qurtubi

خالدين فيها إلا ما شاء الله استثناء ليس من الأول. قال الزجاج : يرجع إلى يوم القيامة، أي خالدين في النار إلا ما شاء الله من مقدار حشرهم من قبورهم ومقدار مدتهم في الحساب، فالاستثناء منقطع. وقيل: يرجع الاستثناء إلى النار، أي إلا ما شاء الله من تعذيبكم بغير النار في بعض الأوقات. وقال ابن عباس: الاستثناء لأهل الإيمان. فــما على هذا بمعنى من. وعنه أيضاً أنه قال: هذه الآية توجب الوقف في جميع الكفار. ومعنى ذلك أنها توجب الوقف فيمن لم يمت، إذ قد يسلم. وقيل: إلا ما شاء الله من كونهم في الدنيا بغير عذاب. ومعنى هذه الآية معنى الآية التي في هود. قوله: فأما الذين شقوا ففي النار وهناك يأتي مستوفىً إن شاء الله. إن ربك حكيم أي في عقوبتهم وفي جميع أفعاله عليم [هود: 106] بمقدار مجازاتهم.

* تفسير Tafsir al-Jalalayn

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{ وَيَوْمَ يِحْشُرُهُمْ جَمِيعاً يَامَعْشَرَ ٱلْجِنِّ قَدِ ٱسْتَكْثَرْتُمْ مِّنَ ٱلإِنْسِ وَقَالَ أَوْلِيَآؤُهُم مِّنَ ٱلإِنْسِ رَبَّنَا ٱسْتَمْتَعَ بَعْضُنَا بِبَعْضٍ وَبَلَغْنَآ أَجَلَنَا ٱلَّذِيۤ أَجَّلْتَ لَنَا قَالَ ٱلنَّارُ مَثْوَاكُمْ خَالِدِينَ فِيهَآ إِلاَّ مَا شَآءَ ٱللَّهُ إِنَّ رَبَّكَ حَكِيمٌ عَليمٌ }

And, mention, the day when He, God, shall gather them (yahshuruhum, may also read nahshuruhum, 'We shall gather them'), that is, creatures, all together, and it will be said to them: 'O assembly of jinn, you have garnered much of mankind', by your misleading [them]. Then their friends, those who obeyed them, from among mankind will say, 'Our Lord, we enjoyed one another, mankind enjoyed what the jinn adorned for them of passions, while the jinn [enjoyed] mankind's obedience to them; but now we have arrived at the term which You have appointed for us', that is, the Day of Resurrection - this [statement] expresses extreme regret on their part. He, exalted be He, will say, to them, by the tongues of the angels: 'The Fire is your lodging, your abode, to abide therein' - except what God wills, of those times when they will exit from it in order to drink boiling water, which is located outside it, as God, exalted be He, has said: Then they shall return to the Hell-fire [Q. 37:68]; according to Ibn 'Abbās, this [proviso] pertains to those whom God knows will believe (mā, 'what', thus has the sense of man, 'whom'). Surely your Lord is Wise, in His actions, Knowing, of His creatures.

* تفسير Tanwîr al-Miqbâs min Tafsîr Ibn ‘Abbâs

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{ وَيَوْمَ يِحْشُرُهُمْ جَمِيعاً يَامَعْشَرَ ٱلْجِنِّ قَدِ ٱسْتَكْثَرْتُمْ مِّنَ ٱلإِنْسِ وَقَالَ أَوْلِيَآؤُهُم مِّنَ ٱلإِنْسِ رَبَّنَا ٱسْتَمْتَعَ بَعْضُنَا بِبَعْضٍ وَبَلَغْنَآ أَجَلَنَا ٱلَّذِيۤ أَجَّلْتَ لَنَا قَالَ ٱلنَّارُ مَثْوَاكُمْ خَالِدِينَ فِيهَآ إِلاَّ مَا شَآءَ ٱللَّهُ إِنَّ رَبَّكَ حَكِيمٌ عَليمٌ }

(In the day when He will gather them together) the Jinn and human beings ((He will say): O ye assembly of the Jinn! Many of humankind did ye seduce) how many human beings have erred by seeking help in you. (And their adherents) the adherents of the Jinn (among humankind) who sought help in the leaders of the Jinn upon camping at a valley or hunting a beast of theirs, used to say: 'we seek refuge in the master of this valley from the foolish among his people', and used to feel safe after saying this, (will say: Our Lord!) O our Lord! (We enjoyed one another) we benefited from one another; the benefit of the human beings was safety from the Jinn, and that of the Jinn, their status and position among their people (but now we have arrived at the appointed term which Thou appointedst for us) i.e. death. (He) Allah (will say) to them: (Fire is your home) is your dwelling, O group of Jinn. (Abide therein for ever) abiding in the Fire, (save him whom Allah willeth (to deliver)) but Allah wills that they abide therein for eternity. (Lo! thy Lord is Wise) He decreed that they will abide in Hell for ever, (Aware) of them and of their punishment.

Salam!

**- Qatada -** · 04-12-2007

Originally Posted by England

I've done good throughout my life, done deeds. God won't send me to hell because I didn't go down on my knees 5 times a day. God, I am sure, is proud of the way I have lived my life and my way of life.

Any religion that preaches that God will send you to hell because you didn't get down and pray to Him is false. I can say that with full confidence because like I said, God isn't evil.

Did you do good to please God alone? Sincerely to gain His reward? If a person does deeds in order to gain favours off others besides Allaah, then they're in a way associating partners with God in the acts of worship that they're performing.

So for example if you do a favour for someone hoping to get a favour in return from them in the future - then that isn't really hoping for God's reward is it? It's more as in you want to get a reward off that person in the future.

Also - if you've read the bible, you'll see many situations where Jesus son of Mary, Moses, and all the other prophets of God fell down on their faces - you know why? Because they were bowing down to God. God tells us how He wants to be worshipped, and this is a fact - in paradise God will continously ask His servants what they want since these people are guests of Allaah in His Paradise, the ordering is only in this life so we become successful in this life & the hereafter. So justice and fairness is established among mankind.

Regards.

**DAWUD_adnan** · 04-12-2007

Originally Posted by cali dude

Does it really make sense to say that no other religion will be accepted? Apparently there have been religions before Islam. Are you saying that those religions didn't know about God and just made up stories about God?

Islam Means submission to the Will of God, if you dont submit yourself to the will of God why would He accept you ?

Get this:

Islam was sent to:
Noah Abraham, Lot,Salih, Shuaib(jethro), Musa(Moses),Isa(Jesus),yusuf(joseph),Jaqub(Jacob), Ishaq(Isaac),Idris,Ismail,Ayub,
Harun(Aaron),Dawud(David)Sulayman(Solomon), Ilyas(Elijah) Al-Yasa (Elisha) Yunus(Jonah) Zakariya,Yahya(Joshua)

ALL Prophets of God

Jesus's message was misunderstood, he came to re-establish what Moses was given, he was rejected. and a people whom he came NOT to( christians) accepted him but in a wrong way.

These 'other' religions were in fact ALL Islam but in different times and ages.

And Muhammad (SAW), the Final one...

Got it ???
Peace

**AB517** · 04-12-2007

Originally Posted by Fi_Sabilillah

Did you do good to please God alone? Sincerely to gain His reward? If a person does deeds in order to gain favours off others besides Allaah, then they're in a way associating partners with God in the acts of worship that they're performing.

So for example if you do a favour for someone hoping to get a favour in return from them in the future - then that isn't really hoping for God's reward is it? It's more as in you want to get a reward off that person in the future.

Also - if you've read the bible, you'll see many situations where Jesus son of Mary, Moses, and all the other prophets of God fell down on their faces - you know why? Because they were bowing down to God. God tells us how He wants to be worshipped, and this is a fact - in paradise God will continously ask His servants what they want since these people are guests of Allaah in His Paradise, the ordering is only in this life so we become successful in this life & the hereafter. So justice and fairness is established among mankind.

Regards.

You are right about quoting, so that means you have a good memory. That’s not what he meant. Perception is the evils one's way to distort lies so that they appear truthful. Christians, Jews, and Moslem alike do this.

He meant people doing good for the sake of being good to a fellow child (or any creation) of god. We fear no reprisals from God when we walk together in the light of God.

How joyous will it be when a Jew, Moslem, Christian, Buddhist, and all others walk arm in arm and stand before God as one being to sing its praises?

AB517

**England** · 04-12-2007

Originally Posted by Fi_Sabilillah

Did you do good to please God alone? Sincerely to gain His reward? If a person does deeds in order to gain favours off others besides Allaah, then they're in a way associating partners with God in the acts of worship that they're performing.

So for example if you do a favour for someone hoping to get a favour in return from them in the future - then that isn't really hoping for God's reward is it? It's more as in you want to get a reward off that person in the future.

Also - if you've read the bible, you'll see many situations where Jesus son of Mary, Moses, and all the other prophets of God fell down on their faces - you know why? Because they were bowing down to God. God tells us how He wants to be worshipped, and this is a fact - in paradise God will continously ask His servants what they want since these people are guests of Allaah in His Paradise, the ordering is only in this life so we become successful in this life & the hereafter. So justice and fairness is established among mankind.

Regards.

I don't expect favours for people in return. Most of them I have never seen again therefore there isn't a chance of a returned favour but nevertheless hell isn't coming my way. I don't pray to God unless I need His help. "God tells us how He wants to be worshipped" is a fact? It isn't fact. It's religion. There is no facts in religion but beliefs.
My beliefs are all spiritualism. The people I've known to have passed away weren't muslims and they're not in hell either. You should check through spiritualism, you'll be surprised.

I'll tell you who will go to hell though.... terrorists.

**al-fateh** · 04-12-2007

Originally Posted by Philosopher

Dont trust Al-Fateh. Only God can judge.

have i quoted anything but the Quran?

u dont need to trsut me, for i look for no praise, i am simply a humble servant of Allah and my loyalty is to Islam

like i said, u dont need to trust me, but trust in the words of the Quran, which is the words of Allah.

**al-fateh** · 04-12-2007

Originally Posted by IbnAbdulHakim

and God has set certain requirements for jannah. if you dont meet them you dont get admittance into heaven.

ofcourse akhi...but some people refuse to admit it, and they think religion is a play for the mean time. Allah (swt) clearly said:

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English Yusuf Ali: [55:60]
Is there any Reward for Good - other than Good?

subhanallah

Allah has clearly said

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English Yusuf Ali: [3:19]
The Religion before Allah is Islam (submission to His Will): Nor did the People of the Book dissent therefrom except through envy of each other, after knowledge had come to them. But if any deny the Signs of Allah, Allah is swift in calling to account.

we dont doubt in what Allah has ordained to us in the Quran

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English Yusuf Ali: [2:2]
This is the Book; in it is guidance sure, without doubt, to those who fear Allah;

there is exceptions on youth , and people who died without hearing the name of Islam, they are not accountable, for they dont know the message. Allah will judge them accodringly to what good or bad they did in their life, Allah is most Just.

like Moses replied to Pharoah

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English Yusuf Ali: [20:51]
(Pharaoh) said: "What then is the condition of previous generations?"

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20 52 1 - are ALL non-muslims abided in HELL...(completely explained here)

English Yusuf Ali: [20:52]
He replied: "The knowledge of that is with my Lord, duly recorded: my Lord never errs, nor forgets,-

**- Qatada -** · 04-12-2007

Originally Posted by England

I don't expect favours for people in return. Most of them I have never seen again therefore there isn't a chance of a returned favour but nevertheless hell isn't coming my way.

If you believe in God, then do you do these favours in order to get His reward?

I don't pray to God unless I need His help. "God tells us how He wants to be worshipped" is a fact? It isn't fact. It's religion. There is no facts in religion but beliefs.

So you believe that God would create us and then not tell us how we should live our lives, what is good/bad etc? Or would he leave it upto our cultures which are continouslly changing all the time in their 'morals' anyway?

My beliefs are all spiritualism. The people I've known to have passed away weren't muslims and they're not in hell either. You should check through spiritualism, you'll be surprised.

Only God knows who will be rewarded or punished, and we hope for His reward. However, we keep our duty to God and obey His Messengers' since we can only find out what truely is good and bad by seeing their example. Without an example to follow - we're simply wandering in the darkness with no light. But Allaah has sent us a guidance [the Qur'an] which is a light that guides man to the truth.

If we're good to the creation, shouldn't we also be thankful to God for the good He bestowed upon us? We should, so we follow the examples of the Prophets like Jesus son of Mary, Moses, Abraham, Noah, refer to the christian scripture and you'll see that they submitted to God. Since being good to the creation isn't sufficient on its own. Being thankful to the Creator and doing good expecting His reward is also important. Since one will only get their reward off the one they did the good for on the Day of Recompense.

I'll tell you who will go to hell though.... terrorists.

Depends on what you mean by terrorists, since many acts we see on the media today aren't a part of islaam anyway. But yeah - those who kill innocents should repent sincerely to God and submit to Him whole-heartedly, and they will find God the Most Forgiving, Most Merciful.

Regards.

**England** · 04-12-2007

Originally Posted by Fi_Sabilillah

If you believe in God, then do you do these favours in order to get His reward?

No I do it because it is the person I am. I don't always think about God. I'm not religious.

Originally Posted by Fi_Sabilillah

So you believe that God would create us and then not tell us how we should live our lives, what is good/bad etc? Or would he leave it upto our cultures which are continouslly changing all the time in their 'morals' anyway?

Of course we have rules but I don't think worshipping is one of them. There is "the spirit world." If you're bad you do not enter and that would be a murderer, paedophile etc.

Originally Posted by Fi_Sabilillah

If we're good to the creation, shouldn't we also be thankful to God for the good He bestowed upon us? We should, so we follow the examples of the Prophets like Jesus son of Mary, Moses, Abraham, Noah, refer to the christian scripture and you'll see that they submitted to God. Since being good to the creation isn't sufficient on its own. Being thankful to the Creator and doing good expecting His reward is also important. Since one will only get their reward off the one they did the good for on the Day of Recompense.

I'm thankful to God and He knows it but I don't think it's imperative for me to get down on my knees and worship Him. Same with my parents. I'm thankful they gave birth to me but I don't worship them, they know I'm thankful.

Originally Posted by Fi_Sabilillah

Depends on what you mean by terrorists, since many acts we see on the media today aren't a part of islaam anyway. But yeah - those who kill innocents should repent sincerely to God and submit to Him whole-heartedly, and they will find God the Most Forgiving, Most Merciful.

Anyone that kills for no reason at all will go to hell.

**------** · 04-13-2007

Anyone that kills for no reason at all will go to hell.

Except those who repent sincerely and don't do it again.

Allahu Aalim. (Allah knows best.)

**- Qatada -** · 04-13-2007

Originally Posted by England

No I do it because it is the person I am. I don't always think about God. I'm not religious.

O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that ye may know each other (not that ye may despise (each other). Verily the most honoured of you in the sight of Allah is (he who is) the most righteous of you. And Allah has full knowledge and is well acquainted (with all things). [Qur'an 49:13]

Righteous in that verse refers to the one who has the most taqwa.

Taqwa: piety, "God-consciousness." Taqwa involves constant awareness and remembrance of Allah, and conscious efforts to adhere to His commandments and abstain from whatever He has forbidden.

Of course we have rules but I don't think worshipping is one of them. There is "the spirit world." If you're bad you do not enter and that would be a murderer, paedophile etc.

So you keep your duty to the creation and not to the Creator? The only reason you can do good is because God bestowed upon you all that you have, so shouldn't you be thankful to Him for that and therefore submit to Him?

And remember! your Lord caused to be declared (publicly): "If ye are grateful [by believing and obeying the Messenger], I will add more (favours) unto you; But if ye show ingratitude [and disbelieve], truly My punishment is terrible indeed." [Qur'an Abraham 14:7]

I'm thankful to God and He knows it but I don't think it's imperative for me to get down on my knees and worship Him. Same with my parents. I'm thankful they gave birth to me but I don't worship them, they know I'm thankful.

Who is more pious in the sight of God, you or Jesus son of Mary (peace be upon them)? If Jesus bowed down to God, and other prophets did also - don't you think you need to bow down and worship God also?

Anyone that kills for no reason at all will go to hell.

However if they repent, submit and do righteous deeds - Allaah will forgive them and grant them an endless reward. Even if george bush did the same, and even if osama bin ladin did. Allaah is prepared to forgive mankind for their mistakes, so long as they submit to Him and obey His final Messenger (peace be upon him) before death overtakes them.

**cali dude** · 04-13-2007

Originally Posted by Fi_Sabilillah

Some of the social laws probably differed, like i said previously - due to the different circumstances.

Are you purposelly ignoring what i say? I've mentioned that the social laws differed due to the different circumstances, however Allaah told His Messengers how He wanted to be worshipped - and the call of the Messengers was the same. To shun all false deities and to obey Allaah and the Messenger, the Messenger who had clear proofs and told the people to obey for their own benefit, while the messenger asked for no profit from his people.

No, I wasn't ignoring what you said, simply trying to get you to be on the same page because I have seen in past that you would say something and then you would ask to prove it you that you said it even though I would paste the quote right in front of you.

But this is my point. A prophet's life style would not be affected by social circumstances. A true prophet would preach and practice only the truth. So, if Jesus and Mohammad were both true prophets, then they would both teach exactly the same thing. It simply could not be true that one of them said that drinking alcohol was OK and the other one said that alcohol was not OK.

So, if we know the truth, why would it matter which prophet you followed or followed no prophet at all as long as you practice the truth?

Originally Posted by Fi_Sabilillah

Because Allaah chose His final messenger to be the One whose law we follow after him, all the previous laws have been distorted as we can see today. And due to that - we can't follow something which has been distorted by the people since the prophets only came to their own people, unlike Allaah's final Messenger.

For example if we take the bible, we see that Jesus son of Mary, peace be upon him is being ordered to:

“Go to the lost sheep of the House of Israel!” Matthew 10:6]

Whereas Muhammad (peace be upon him) is being told:

"Say: 'O mankind! I am sent unto you all, as the Messenger of Allah, to Whom belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth." (Qur'an 7:158)

You see the difference?

Regards.

I am a little confused here. Mohammad did go his own people as well, or at least the people who believed him. In Islam, non-Muslims are not to be treated the same way as Muslims. So, Islam is designed only for the benefit of Muslims, Mohammad's "own people".

**cali dude** · 04-13-2007

Originally Posted by Fi_Sabilillah

However if they repent, submit and do righteous deeds - Allaah will forgive them and grant them an endless reward. Even if george bush did the same, and even if osama bin ladin did. Allaah is prepared to forgive mankind for their mistakes, so long as they submit to Him and obey His final Messenger (peace be upon him) before death overtakes them.

This for sure caught my eye. So what you are saying is that you could commit any crime in the world as long as you repent.

What an excuse to commit crimes on humanity!!!

**- Qatada -** · 04-13-2007

Originally Posted by cali dude

No, I wasn't ignoring what you said, simply trying to get you to be on the same page because I have seen in past that you would say something and then you would ask to prove it you that you said it even though I would paste the quote right in front of you.

You never, thats why i used to ask.

But this is my point. A prophet's life style would not be affected by social circumstances. A true prophet would preach and practice only the truth. So, if Jesus and Mohammad were both true prophets, then they would both teach exactly the same thing. It simply could not be true that one of them said that drinking alcohol was OK and the other one said that alcohol was not OK.

I've explained before that the historical and social context differed a great deal, thats why laws within a certain nation were different. For instance God may have known that the spoils of war will make the children of Isra'eel extravagant and therefore it should be forbidden for them so there is less harm.

The same way God knows that alcohol may be a big trial for the whole world, and therefore the prohibition was more strict in this regard. Because alcohol may not have been such a big problem for the Israelites for example compared to people from different areas of the world. You'll see that there are many accidents and harmful effects when people take alcohol, even in countries like the US. So the prohibition was more important in the sight of Allaah for this ummah in this regard compared to an ummah of the past which was for a specific set of people only.

So, if we know the truth, why would it matter which prophet you followed or followed no prophet at all as long as you practice the truth?

Because all other Prophets revelations have been distorted, and the only divine revelation which remains the truth is the message revealed to Allaah's final Messenger, Muhammad (peace be upon him.)

If you want proof if it still exists, heres the copy in the Museum of Turkey today:
http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Qur...s/topkapi.html

I am a little confused here. Mohammad did go his own people as well, or at least the people who believed him. In Islam, non-Muslims are not to be treated the same way as Muslims. So, Islam is designed only for the benefit of Muslims, Mohammad's "own people".

You really think so?

Try looking at the rights of non muslims and also muslims in an Islamic State:

http://www.islamicboard.com/refutati...mic-state.html
http://www.islamicboard.com/refutati...democracy.html
http://www.islamicboard.com/refutati...em-rights.html

Muhammad (peace be upon him) came to all of mankind as Allaah has stated in the Qur'an:

"Say: 'O mankind! ! I am sent unto you all, as the Messenger of Allah, to Whom belongeth the dominion of the heavens and the earth: there is no god but He: it is He That giveth both life and death. So believe in Allah and His Messenger, the Unlettered Prophet, who believeth in Allah and His words: follow him that (so) ye may be guided." (Qur'an 7:158)

And Allaah Almighty knows best.

Regards.

**- Qatada -** · 04-13-2007

Originally Posted by cali dude

This for sure caught my eye. So what you are saying is that you could commit any crime in the world as long as you repent.

Originally Posted by cali dude

What an excuse to commit crimes on humanity!!!

Part of repentance is to feel regret for your sin, imagine you had commited many sins and you felt that you had wronged yourself and others.

Well thats when Allaah shows to His servants that He is prepared to forgive them so long as they are sincere. The Messenger of Allaah peace be upon him said that all the children of Adam sin, but the best of sinners are those that repent. Don't tell me that you've never sinned in your life.

To repent means to have the intention not to commit the sin again, its to be regretful for ones errors. And if the person turns to Allaah in forgiveness and submission before death overtakes them - then Allaah is the Most Merciful. No matter who the person is. Since we are all the servants of Allaah.

The Noble Qur'an Al-Baqarah 2:30-38

30. And (remember) when your Lord said to the angels: "Verily, I am going to place (mankind) generations after generations on earth." They said: "Will You place therein those who will make mischief therein and shed blood, - while we glorify You with praises and thanks (Exalted be You above all that they associate with You as partners) and sanctify You." He (Allâh) said: "I know that which you do not know."

31. And He taught Adam all the names (of everything), then He showed them to the angels and said, "Tell Me the names of these if you are truthful."

32. They (angels) said: "Glory be to You, we have no knowledge except what you have taught us. Verily, it is You, the All-Knower, the All-Wise."

33. He said: "O Adam! Inform them of their names," and when he had informed them of their names, He said: "Did I not tell you that I know the Ghaib (unseen) in the heavens and the earth, and I know what you reveal and what you have been concealing?"

34. And (remember) when We said to the angels: "Prostrate yourselves before Adam." [in obedience to Allaah]. And they prostrated except Iblîs (Satan), he refused and was proud and was one of the disbelievers (disobedient to Allâh).

35. And We said: "O Adam! Dwell you and your wife in the Paradise and eat both of you freely with pleasure and delight of things therein as wherever you will, but come not near this tree or you both will be of the Zâlimûn (wrong-doers)."

36. Then the Shaitân (Satan) made them slip therefrom (the Paradise), and got them out from that in which they were. We said: "Get you down, all, with enmity between yourselves. On earth will be a dwelling place for you and an enjoyment for a time."

37. Then Adam received from his Lord Words. And his Lord pardoned him (accepted his repentance). Verily, He is the One Who forgives (accepts repentance), the Most Merciful.

38. We said: "Get down all of you from this place (the Paradise), then whenever there comes to you Guidance from Me, and whoever follows My Guidance, there shall be no fear on them, nor shall they grieve.

Our father is an example to us all that if we sin - we should regret it, repent and Allaah is prepared to forgive us for our errors.

The Messenger of Allah (Peace be upon him) said:

When Allah decreed the Creation He pledged Himself by writing in His book which is laid down with Him: My mercy prevails over my wrath.

It was related by Muslim (also by al-Bukhari, an-Nasa'i and Ibn Majah).

However if someone continously persists in sin, and disbelieves when the clear signs have come to them - then why should they be forgiven? If they shun their false deities and turn to Allaah in submission before death overtakes them - then Allaah will forgive them, however if they die in a state of associating partners with Allaah, then they are being unjust to themselves, being ungrateful to their Creator, and therefore why should they be rewarded from Him? Infact they should be punished since they were ungrateful and rebellious to the One who sustained them and gave them all they had in this world.

The Messenger of Allah (Peace be upon him) said: Allah Almighty has said:

The son of Adam denied Me and he had no right to do so. And he reviled Me and he had no right to do so. As for his denying Me, it is his saying: He will not remake me as He made me at first (1) - and the initial creation [of him] is no easier for Me than remaking him. As for his reviling Me, it is his saying: Allah has taken to Himself a son, while I am the One, the Everlasting Refuge. I begot not nor was I begotten, and there is none comparable to Me.

(1) i.e., bring me back to life after death.

It was related by al-Bukhari (also by an-Nasa'i).

**cali dude** · 04-13-2007

Originally Posted by Fi_Sabilillah

You never, thats why i used to ask.

No, actually it was more like that you never acknowledged even though I gave you the quotes...

Originally Posted by Fi_Sabilillah

I've explained before that the historical and social context differed a great deal, thats why laws within a certain nation were different. For instance God may have known that the spoils of war will make the children of Isra'eel extravagant and therefore it should be forbidden for them so there is less harm.

The same way God knows that alcohol may be a big trial for the whole world, and therefore the prohibition was more strict in this regard. Because alcohol may not have been such a big problem for the Israelites for example compared to people from different areas of the world. You'll see that there are many accidents and harmful effects when people take alcohol, even in countries like the US. So the prohibition was more important in the sight of Allaah for this ummah in this regard compared to an ummah of the past which was for a specific set of people only.

Because all other Prophets revelations have been distorted, and the only divine revelation which remains the truth is the message revealed to Allaah's final Messenger, Muhammad (peace be upon him.)

If you want proof if it still exists, heres the copy in the Museum of Turkey today:
http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Qur...s/topkapi.html

So what you are saying is that the message of prophets was the same but it was distorted because of social interpretations?

Still, if the message was the same, all people really need to do is to find out the true message was and follow the message. Then what's point of classifying yourself as Muslim or Christian or Jew as long as you know the true message and follow it?

Also what if someone practices something that's even better?

Originally Posted by Fi_Sabilillah

You really think so?

Try looking at the rights of non muslims and also muslims in an Islamic State:

http://www.islamicboard.com/refutati...mic-state.html
http://www.islamicboard.com/refutati...democracy.html
http://www.islamicboard.com/refutati...em-rights.html

Muhammad (peace be upon him) came to all of mankind as Allaah has stated in the Qur'an:

"Say: 'O mankind! ! I am sent unto you all, as the Messenger of Allah, to Whom belongeth the dominion of the heavens and the earth: there is no god but He: it is He That giveth both life and death. So believe in Allah and His Messenger, the Unlettered Prophet, who believeth in Allah and His words: follow him that (so) ye may be guided." (Qur'an 7:158)

And Allaah Almighty knows best.

Regards.

Maybe....

**cali dude** · 04-13-2007

Originally Posted by Fi_Sabilillah

Well thats when Allaah shows to His servants that He is prepared to forgive them so long as they are sincere. The Messenger of Allaah peace be upon him said that all the children of Adam sin, but the best of sinners are those that repent. Don't tell me that you've never sinned in your life.

See this is where we are stuck.

When you say that all people sin, does that mean they sinner by nature? If so, it doesn't matter how many times they repent, they are going to keep sinning unless they change their nature, which in turn will change their behaviour. You can keep doing all of the religious stuff you want but unless you change yourself, your personality, your behaviour, the way you do things, it's all useless.

That's why it's important to first understand what you are doing wrong and then change it instead of blindly following a religion.

**England** · 04-13-2007

Originally Posted by Fi_Sabilillah

O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that ye may know each other (not that ye may despise (each other). Verily the most honoured of you in the sight of Allah is (he who is) the most righteous of you. And Allah has full knowledge and is well acquainted (with all things). [Qur'an 49:13]

Righteous in that verse refers to the one who has the most taqwa.

Taqwa: piety, "God-consciousness." Taqwa involves constant awareness and remembrance of Allah, and conscious efforts to adhere to His commandments and abstain from whatever He has forbidden.

So you keep your duty to the creation and not to the Creator? The only reason you can do good is because God bestowed upon you all that you have, so shouldn't you be thankful to Him for that and therefore submit to Him?

And remember! your Lord caused to be declared (publicly): "If ye are grateful [by believing and obeying the Messenger], I will add more (favours) unto you; But if ye show ingratitude [and disbelieve], truly My punishment is terrible indeed." [Qur'an Abraham 14:7]

Who is more pious in the sight of God, you or Jesus son of Mary (peace be upon them)? If Jesus bowed down to God, and other prophets did also - don't you think you need to bow down and worship God also?

However if they repent, submit and do righteous deeds - Allaah will forgive them and grant them an endless reward. Even if george bush did the same, and even if osama bin ladin did. Allaah is prepared to forgive mankind for their mistakes, so long as they submit to Him and obey His final Messenger (peace be upon him) before death overtakes them.

You're sending me all these passages but I'm not reading them. I don't follow Islam and I don't believe in the Quran, especially if it says we're deemed for hell if we don't worship God. We are put on this earth to experience life not to worship and no way will I be sent to hell because of that. God knows I'm thankful and I'm sure he's happy with the way I've lived my life. The only way to get me to believe that we are put here to submit to God will be by God Himself telling me.

**AB517** · 04-13-2007

Originally Posted by England

You're sending me all these passages but I'm not reading them. I don't follow Islam and I don't believe in the Quran, especially if it says we're deemed for hell if we don't worship God. We are put on this earth to experience life not to worship and no way will I be sent to hell because of that. God knows I'm thankful and I'm sure he's happy with the way I've lived my life. The only way to get me to believe that we are put here to submit to God will be by God Himself telling me.

England:

I cant PM so I posted this.

I am a Chemistry and Physics guy. I had an awaking that can only be described as “spooky”. There is a huge difference between spirituality and religion.

Thank you

**- Qatada -** · 04-13-2007

Originally Posted by cali dude

No, actually it was more like that you never acknowledged even though I gave you the quotes...

Okay, fair enough.

So what you are saying is that the message of prophets was the same but it was distorted because of social interpretations?

Yes.

Still, if the message was the same, all people really need to do is to find out the true message was and follow the message. Then what's point of classifying yourself as Muslim or Christian or Jew as long as you know the true message and follow it?

Because Moses nor Jesus son of Mary never called themselves christians or jews, they called themselves muslims [a muslim is someone who submits to God.]

And because there message was distorted, we can't really follow a distorted message now can we, since that would mean we're following something which isn't even true.

This is why the Qur'an was revealed - it is the Criterion [Furqaan] to confirm the message of the previous prophets [i.e. none is worthy of worship except Allaah] since the people of the other scriptures are in doubt in regard to what the true message of Allaah was. The final messenger confirmed it and Allaah will save it from being distorted till the Day of Judgement.

Also what if someone practices something that's even better?

There is nothing better since only God's messengers recieve divine revelation from Him, no-one else does since this is what Prophets and Messengers are - those who convey God's whole message. And as stated in Surah Al-Ahzaab [33] in the Qur'an - Muhammad (peace be upon him) is Allaah's final Prophet and Messenger and there will be no more prophets after him.

Maybe....

Kool.

**al-fateh** · 04-13-2007

Imaam Ibn Hazm said in his book Maraatib al-Ijmaa’: “Hell is real; it is an abode of torment that will never cease to exist, and its people will never cease to exist, they will remain there without end.”

Al-Tahhaawi said in his ‘Aqeedah: “Paradise and Hell are two created entities that will never cease to exist or come to an end.”

Al-Tahhaawi said in his ‘Aqeedah: “Paradise and Hell are two created entities that will never cease to exist or come to an end.”

5. Al-Maa'idah - (The Table spread with Food)

Recitation:

5 37 1 - are ALL non-muslims abided in HELL...(completely explained here)

[5:37]
English Yusuf Ali: [5:37]
Their wish will be to get out of the Fire, but never will they get out therefrom: their penalty will be one that endures.

43. Az-Zukhruf - (The Gold Adornment)

Recitation:

43 75 1 - are ALL non-muslims abided in HELL...(completely explained here)

[43:75]
English Yusuf Ali: [43:75]
Nowise will the (Punishment) be lightened for them, and in despair will they be there overwhelmed.

2. Al-Baqarah - (The Cow)

Recitation:

2 167 1 - are ALL non-muslims abided in HELL...(completely explained here)

[2:167]
English Yusuf Ali: [2:167]
And those who followed would say: "If only We had one more chance, We would clear ourselves of them, as they have cleared themselves of us." Thus will Allah show them (The fruits of) their deeds as (nothing but) regrets. Nor will there be a way for them out of the Fire.

7. Al-`Araaf - (The Heights)

Recitation:

7 40 1 - are ALL non-muslims abided in HELL...(completely explained here)

[7:40]
English Yusuf Ali: [7:40]
To those who reject Our signs and treat them with arrogance, no opening will there be of the gates of heaven, nor will they enter the garden, until the camel can pass through the eye of the needle: Such is Our reward for those in sin.

35. Faatir - (The Orignator)

Recitation:

35 36 1 - are ALL non-muslims abided in HELL...(completely explained here)

[35:36]
English Yusuf Ali: [35:36]
But those who reject (Allah) - for them will be the Fire of Hell: No term shall be determined for them, so they should die, nor shall its Penalty be lightened for them. Thus do We reward every ungrateful one!

In the Sunnah, the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Death will come on the Day of Resurrection like a black and white ram, and it will stand between Paradise and Hell. It will be said, ‘O people of Paradise, do you recognize this?’ They will crane their necks and look, and will say, ‘Yes, it is death.’

It will be said, ‘O people of Hell, do you recognize this?’ They will crane their necks and look, and will say, ‘Yes, it is death.’ Then the command will be issued and it will be slaughtered. Then it will be said, ‘O People of Paradise, it is eternal and there is no death. O people of Hell, it is eternal and there is no death.’” Then the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) recited the verse (interpretation of the meaning):

19. Maryam - (Mary)

Recitation:

19 39 1 - are ALL non-muslims abided in HELL...(completely explained here)

[19:39]
English Yusuf Ali: [19:39]
But warn them of the Day of Distress, when the matter will be determined: for (behold,) they are negligent and they do not believe!

This clear saheeh text leaves no room for doubt concerning this matter, which is that the people of Hell will abide therein forever, and will not die or come out, just as the people of Paradise will abide therein forever.

The commentator of al-Tahhaawiyyah said: “Many reports of the Sunnah indicate that those who said Laa ilaaha ill-Allaah will be brought forth from Hell. The ahaadeeth about intercession clearly indicate that the sinners among the people of Tawheed will be brought forth from Hell and that this applies only to them; if the kuffaar were to be brought forth from it, they would be like the believers, and that contradicts the exclusiveness indicated in the hadeeth.”

With regard to the aayah (interpretation of the meaning):

Recitation:

78 23 1 - are ALL non-muslims abided in HELL...(completely explained here)

[78:23]
English Yusuf Ali: [78:23]
They will dwell therein for ages.
Recitation:

78 24 1 - are ALL non-muslims abided in HELL...(completely explained here)

[78:24]
English Yusuf Ali: [78:24]
Nothing cool shall they taste therein, nor any drink,
Recitation:

78 25 1 - are ALL non-muslims abided in HELL...(completely explained here)

[78:25]
English Yusuf Ali: [78:25]
Save a boiling fluid and a fluid, dark, murky, intensely cold,
Recitation:

78 26 1 - are ALL non-muslims abided in HELL...(completely explained here)

[78:26]
English Yusuf Ali: [78:26]
A fitting recompense (for them).

what is meant, as al-Qurtubi (may Allaah have mercy on him) said, is “They will stay in the Fire for as long as those ages last, and these ages will never cease. Every time one age ceases, another will come. Huqub means a lifetime or an age, and (the plural) ahqaab means ages. Hiqbah means a year, the plural of which is hiqab. Huqb means eighty years, or it was said that it means more than that, as we shall see, and the plural is ahqaab. The meaning in this verse is that they will abide therein for the ages of the Hereafter, to which there is no end. The verse does not specifically mention the Hereafter (by saying “the ages of the Hereafter”) because it is clear that the context here is speaking of the Hereafter.

35. Faatir - (The Orignator)

Recitation:

35 37 1 - are ALL non-muslims abided in HELL...(completely explained here)

[35:37]
English Yusuf Ali: [35:37]
Therein will they cry aloud (for assistance): "Our Lord! Bring us out: we shall work righteousness, not the (deeds) we used to do!" - "Did We not give you long enough life so that he that would should receive admonition? and (moreover) the warner came to you. So taste ye (the fruits of your deeds): for the wrong-doers there is no helper."

Recitation:

[43:77]
English Yusuf Ali: [43:77]
They will cry: "O Malik! would that thy Lord put an end to us!" He will say, "Nay, but ye shall abide!"

Recitation: