are ALL non-muslims abided in HELL...(completely explained here)

For a meadow to be so beautiful it must contain the creatures of god’s creation. The trees, grass, flowers, creators, and wind. What is the grass that said, "I am the only true beauty here?

format_quote Originally Posted by England

You're sending me all these passages but I'm not reading them. I don't follow Islam and I don't believe in the Quran, especially if it says we're deemed for hell if we don't worship God. We are put on this earth to experience life not to worship and no way will I be sent to hell because of that. God knows I'm thankful and I'm sure he's happy with the way I've lived my life. The only way to get me to believe that we are put here to submit to God will be by God Himself telling me.

When Allaah sends revelations to mankind, He sends them in order to bring together mankind in peace and unification.

It doesn't really matter what propaganda you see on tv, but what they show isn't the true islaam since this is exactly what Islaam calls against. If you don't want to see the proof for it - then that's upto you. However you will be resurrected infront of your Lord and be questioned on your actions that you performed in this life. Jesus son of Mary bowed down to God, he worshipped him and if you truely believe in him, and he is more pious than any of us here - then why shouldn't we be thankful to our Creator either? Isn't He the One who gives us all we got?

Submitting to God is a sign that you're grateful to Him for all the good that He has given you. Imagine one day God says that i can't be bothered giving you your sight, your food, your clothes, your house and everysingle thing you got. Will you be happy? Well these are all favours of God which you take for granted, and if you truely are thankful to God then you should atleast be prepared to search for the truth. If you don't understand anything - ask away since God gives the answers. Ask God to guide you to what is right and He will do so. There is a great reward in store for God's believing servants, and there is a great punishment for those who feel that they are not in need of being thankful to God.



Regards.

format_quote Originally Posted by AB517

For a meadow to be so beautiful it must contain the creatures of god’s creation. The trees, grass, flowers, creators, and wind. What is the grass that said, "I am the only true beauty here?

If you taught a child that you should do good for your own benefit in order to be rewarded. Would you tell them to do what is right? You would wouldn't you? Since you know better than them since you're more wiser.

God sends His Prophets to tell us what is wrong and right in order to gain His reward and Mercy.


If we all do whatever we want and what we feel is right, isn't that saying we know better than God? God tells us through His Messengers what is wrong and right, and if we do that - then mankind will be at peace with one another. However, man can be rebellious and oppose that out of his/her own desires. But why does man heedlessly turn away when God is calling them towards His Mercy and reward (of this life and the hereafter)?

format_quote Originally Posted by AB517

England:

I cant PM so I posted this.

I am a Chemistry and Physics guy. I had an awaking that can only be described as “spooky”. There is a huge difference between spirituality and religion.

Thank you

Are you spiritual?
As I said I'm not religious, I believe in spirituality and that this body of ours is an egg. Once we pass away our sole hatches out of this "egg" and then our spirit is seperated from the good and the bad. The good enters the spirit world but the bad isn't granted access. I've witnessed spiritual things going off in my life. I've also had extremely accurate readings from spiritualists. So accurate that not even I had known until after confirmation.

format_quote Originally Posted by Fi_Sabilillah

And because there message was distorted, we can't really follow a distorted message now can we, since that would mean we're following something which isn't even true.

This is why the Qur'an was revealed - it is the Criterion [Furqaan] to confirm the message of the previous prophets [i.e. none is worthy of worship except Allaah] since the people of the other scriptures are in doubt in regard to what the true message of Allaah was. The final messenger confirmed it and Allaah will save it from being distorted till the Day of Judgement.

How do you really know that the message was distorted? Just because it says in Quran or something? Have the Christians and Jews confirmed this?

I personally think Christianity has had more positive effect on humanity than Islam.

format_quote Originally Posted by Fi_Sabilillah

There is nothing better since only God's messengers recieve divine revelation from Him, no-one else does since this is what Prophets and Messengers are - those who convey God's whole message. And as stated in Surah Al-Ahzaab [33] in the Qur'an - Muhammad (peace be upon him) is Allaah's final Prophet and Messenger and there will be no more prophets after him.

You simply assume there is nothing better because you think Quran is word of God and there couldn't be anything better than what it says in Quran.

Let's take eating meat for example. Could being a vegetarian be practically more merciful than killing a goat? If I understand it correctly what you call Halaam meat, you kill an animal and then you read some religious stuff (Kalam or something). Do you actually think it pleases God to kill, even if it's goat? I think you also something called Bakar Eid when they do the same.

format_quote Originally Posted by Fi_Sabilillah

When Allaah sends revelations to mankind, He sends them in order to bring together mankind in peace and unification.

It doesn't really matter what propaganda you see on tv, but what they show isn't the true islaam since this is exactly what Islaam calls against. If you don't want to see the proof for it - then that's upto you. However you will be resurrected infront of your Lord and be questioned on your actions that you performed in this life. Jesus son of Mary bowed down to God, he worshipped him and if you truely believe in him, and he is more pious than any of us here - then why shouldn't we be thankful to our Creator either? Isn't He the One who gives us all we got?

Submitting to God is a sign that you're grateful to Him for all the good that He has given you. Imagine one day God says that i can't be bothered giving you your sight, your food, your clothes, your house and everysingle thing you got. Will you be happy? Well these are all favours of God which you take for granted, and if you truely are thankful to God then you should atleast be prepared to search for the truth. If you don't understand anything - ask away since God gives the answers. Ask God to guide you to what is right and He will do so. There is a great reward in store for God's believing servants, and there is a great punishment for those who feel that they are not in need of being thankful to God.



Regards.

Prove to me what you all you have said is true. Don't send me passages of the Quran, the bible, the scroll or whatever. I'm not religious. I feel you look too deeply into things. I give favours but I don't do it to get thanked or repaid. My parents have fed me since birth but they didn't do it for the thanks or to be repaid or to worship.


God isn't evil. I can say this 100% without doubt... I am not going to hell.

format_quote Originally Posted by cali dude

How do you really know that the message was distorted? Just because it says in Quran or something? Have the Christians and Jews confirmed this?

I personally think Christianity has had more positive effect on humanity than Islam.

Ask the christians on which is the book of God, they won't come upon a common agreement. Infact it's not even in the language which Jesus son of Mary spoke. The earliest manuscripts found are in greek whereas Jesus spoke the Aramaic tongue (Syrian.)


By the way, history has proved that Islaam has had a great impact on the world as a whole compared to christianity. When muslims were at their peak - Islaam made Europe what it is today, infact it brought the whole world out of the middle ages.

At a time when London was a tiny mud-hut village that "could not boast of a single streetlamp" (Digest, 1973, p. 622), in Cordova

"there were half a million inhabitants, living in 113,000 houses. There were 700 mosques and 300 public baths spread throughout the city and its twenty-one suburbs. The streets were paved and lit." (Burke, 1985, p. 38)

This rich and sophisticated society took a tolerant view towards other faiths. Tolerance was unheard of in the rest of Europe. But in Muslim Spain,

"thousands of Jews and Christians lived in peace and harmony with their Muslim overlords." (Burke, 1985, p. 38)



Muslim Spain and European Culture
http://www.load-islam.com/artical_de...lamic%20histor

The only time christianity had an impact at the social level was when they separated the state from the church. In other words - when they threw the bible behind their backs.

You simply assume there is nothing better because you think Quran is word of God and there couldn't be anything better than what it says in Quran.

Yeah, that's what i believe, with billions of others from different races and nationalities also.

Let's take eating meat for example. Could being a vegetarian be practically more merciful than killing a goat? If I understand it correctly what you call Halaam meat, you kill an animal and then you read some religious stuff (Kalam or something). Do you actually think it pleases God to kill, even if it's goat? I think you also something called Bakar Eid when they do the same.

Did you know God made animals out of meat, so we could eat them. Then He made some cattle which we could use for riding [i.e. horses, donkeys], others for eating and drinking their milk [cows, goats, sheep etc.]


Before sacrificing them - yes we recite Allaah's name over it, this shows that this animal is being sacrificed in the name of God and not any other deity.


The issue of slaughtering it is much more human compared to todays western standards, since they place the animals in water and electricute them till death.

Whereas in Islaam:

format_quote Originally Posted by Fi_Sabilillah

This method of slaughtering animals is done by many people around the world.

I think what they do is cut the main artery (the aorta) which is specifically in the neck area. When this is cut, the blood that reaches the other parts of the body is stopped, so the signal sent to the brain is limited to a really short time span only. And once the animal has been slaughtered, it doesn't die a slow death, but instead it dies on the spot. So the pain is kept to a minimum [since the link of pain has been cut off] and the sacrifice is swift without causing too much pain to the animal.

Hope that makes sense.

Also, we are told to sacrifice with a sharp knife [as the example of Prophet Ibraheem] since that causes the least pain to the animal because its swift/quick and to the point.




Regards.

format_quote Originally Posted by AvarAllahNoor

I'm aware of it but reject it as I''m shown another path by Allah. And choose to follow that. Like you say Allah knows best!

If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter He will be in the ranks of those who have lost (All spiritual good). [Qur'an 3:85]

The message isn't a joke bro, there is only one path which leads mankind to God's Mercy and reward. That is in the obedience to His true Messengers.

format_quote Originally Posted by Fi_Sabilillah

Did you know God made animals out of meat, so we could eat them. Then He made some cattle which we could use for riding [i.e. horses, donkeys], others for eating and drinking their milk [cows, goats, sheep etc.]

Meat of what? Where did the meat come from out of which God made the animals?

format_quote Originally Posted by Fi_Sabilillah

Before sacrificing them - yes we recite Allaah's name over it, this shows that this animal is being sacrificed in the name of God and not any other deity.


The issue of slaughtering it is much more human compared to todays western standards, since they place the animals in water and electricute them till death.

Whereas in Islaam:





Also, we are told to sacrifice with a sharp knife [as the example of Prophet Ibraheem] since that causes the least pain to the animal because its swift/quick and to the point.




Regards.

If you are supposed to use sharp knife so that it does cause too much, you do understand that causing pain is wrong. Then isn't causing no pain at all better than causing some pain?

format_quote Originally Posted by Fi_Sabilillah

If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter He will be in the ranks of those who have lost (All spiritual good). [Qur'an 3:85]

The message isn't a joke bro, there is only one path which leads mankind to God's Mercy and reward. That is in the obedience to His true Messengers.

If Islam only means submission to God, then yes Sikhs follow Islam as well, but we don't necessarily follow Mohammad's path, although there could be some similarities...

format_quote Originally Posted by cali dude

Meat of what? Where did the meat come from out of which God made the animals?

Allaah is the Creator of all things.

If you are supposed to use sharp knife so that it does cause too much, you do understand that causing pain is wrong. Then isn't causing no pain at all better than causing some pain?

I said we use a sharp knife so it causes the least pain to the animal. And Allaah out of His eternal Wisdom has made certain meats permissible for us due to health benefits etc.


There are many benefits in eating meat:

- “According to nutritionists with the National Livestock and Meat Board, in general animal foods - meat, poultry, fish and eggs - contain top quality protein. This means all these foods supply the necessary amounts of all essential amino acids.”

- “it contains significant amounts of zinc and copper in their readily absorbable forms”

It is well established that eating meat improves the quality of nutrition, strengthens the immune system, promotes normal growth and development, is beneficial for day-to-day health, energy and well-being, and helps ensure optimal learning and academic performance.”

- “The long-term Bogalusa Heart Study finds that children who eat more meat are less likely to have deficiencies than those who eat little or no meat. Kids who don’t eat meat — and especially if they restrict other foods, as many girls are doing — are more likely to feel tired, apathetic, unable to concentrate, are sick more often, more frequently depressed, and are the most likely to be malnourished and have stunted growth. Meat and other animal-source foods are the building blocks of healthy growth that have made America’s youngsters among the tallest, strongest and healthiest in the world.”

http://www.healthyweightnetwork.com/zart6.htm

Anyway if you want to discuss the issue of meat further, i think its better to create a new thread since that is a totally different discussion.



Regards.

format_quote Originally Posted by AvarAllahNoor

I know! But I can't fathom, as the Guru Granth Sahib states otherwise. I can't obey the Quran or any other because of the my religion being the true path for me.

Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things.

Allah is the Protector of those who have faith: from the depths of darkness He will lead them forth into light. Of those who reject faith the patrons are the evil ones: from light they will lead them forth into the depths of darkness. They will be companions of the fire, to dwell therein (For ever).

[Qur'an 2: 256-7]

format_quote Originally Posted by Fi_Sabilillah

Submission to God means to submit to Allaah in the way He wants you to submit to Him. So it means to obey His Messenger (peace be upon him.) In our case, anyone who has lived after Muhammad (peace be upon him) recieved the revelation, then they will be brought forth and be responsible in the sight of God on whether they obeyed him or not. If they submitted and obeyed - their reward is with Allaah, if they rejected it when it became clear to them, then know that this life is only temporary, and you will without a doubt return to your Lord and be accountable for your ownselves.

Regards.

How do we know who is right. I have read Muslim and Christian texts and I see no difference. Can someone not just submit to God? The whole, I sent a book down, so whole world follow it, jst doesn't convince me. I'm sorry.