Hello,
Is God infinty loving and Just?
thanks
are ALL non-muslims abided in HELL...(completely explained here)
moreover....format_quote Originally Posted by Al-Fateh
are ALL non-muslims abided in HELL...(completely explained here)
Originally posted by hacyec
I believe it says in the Qur'an that there are Muslims even withing the people of the book, people who are considered Muslims. Remember that the biggest sin is to commit Shirk, do Jews do this? I was Catholic and the only time I commited something Shirk was when I was a child, but then learned to think otherwise. Personally, yes I believe that Jew's, Christians, and of course Muslims will go to heaven as long as they deserve it of course, a pious Jew is much more deserving of heaven than a murderous Muslim, you get what I mean? But all is in Allah's hands in the end brother's and sisters, salaam.
Answer by Al-Fateh
not Jew, no Christian, no other religion will have its followers go to heaven
this is agains the Quran
At-Tahreem - (The Prohibition)
Recitation:
[66:7]
English Yusuf Ali: [66:7]
(They will say), "O ye Unbelievers! Make no excuses this Day! Ye are being but requited for all that ye did!"
[7:36]
English Yusuf Ali: [7:36]
But those who reject Our signs and treat them with arrogance,- they are companions of the Fire, to dwell therein (for ever).
[2:39]
English Yusuf Ali: [2:39]
"But those who reject Faith and belie Our Signs, they shall be companions of the Fire; they shall abide therein."
[2:257]
English Yusuf Ali: [2:257]
Allah is the Protector of those who have faith: from the depths of darkness He will lead them forth into light. Of those who reject faith the patrons are the evil ones: from light they will lead them forth into the depths of darkness. They will be companions of the fire, to dwell therein (For ever).
[43:77]
English Yusuf Ali: [43:77]
They will cry: "O Malik! would that thy Lord put an end to us!" He will say, "Nay, but ye shall abide!"
[64:10]
English Yusuf Ali: [64:10]
But those who reject Faith and treat Our Signs as falsehoods, they will be Companions of the Fire, to dwell therein for aye: and evil is that Goal.
Salam!format_quote Originally Posted by Al-Fateh[6:128]
English Yusuf Ali: [6:128]
One day will He gather them all together, (and say): "O ye assembly of Jinns! Much (toll) did ye take of men." Their friends amongst men will say: "Our Lord! we made profit from each other: but (alas!) we reached our term - which thou didst appoint for us." He will say: "The Fire be your dwelling-place: you will dwell therein for ever, except as Allah willeth." for thy Lord is full of wisdom and knowledge.
this verse is very misunderstood by MANY muslims....
Tafsir Al-Jalalayn
و اذكر يوم نحشرهم بالنون والياء أي الله الخلق جميعا ويقال لهم يا معشر الجن قد استكثرتم من الإنس بإغوائكم وقال أولياؤهم الذين أطاعوهم من الإنس ربنا استمتع بعضنا ببعض انتفع الإنس بتزيين الجن لهم الشهوات والجن بطاعة الإنس لهم . وبلغنا أجلنا الذي أجلت لنا وهو يوم القيامة وهذا تحسر منهم قال تعالى لهم على لسان الملائكة: النار مثواكم مأواكم خالدين فيها إلا ما شاء الله من الأوقات التي يخرجون فيها لشرب الحميم فإنه خارجها كما قال تعالى ثم إن مرجعهم لإلى الجحيم وعن ابن عباس انه فيمن علم الله أنهم يؤمنون فما بمعنى من إن ربك حكيم في صنعه عليم بخلقه
Al-Qurtubi
خالدين فيها إلا ما شاء الله استثناء ليس من الأول. قال الزجاج : يرجع إلى يوم القيامة، أي خالدين في النار إلا ما شاء الله من مقدار حشرهم من قبورهم ومقدار مدتهم في الحساب، فالاستثناء منقطع. وقيل: يرجع الاستثناء إلى النار، أي إلا ما شاء الله من تعذيبكم بغير النار في بعض الأوقات. وقال ابن عباس: الاستثناء لأهل الإيمان. فــما على هذا بمعنى من. وعنه أيضاً أنه قال: هذه الآية توجب الوقف في جميع الكفار. ومعنى ذلك أنها توجب الوقف فيمن لم يمت، إذ قد يسلم. وقيل: إلا ما شاء الله من كونهم في الدنيا بغير عذاب. ومعنى هذه الآية معنى الآية التي في هود. قوله: فأما الذين شقوا ففي النار وهناك يأتي مستوفىً إن شاء الله. إن ربك حكيم أي في عقوبتهم وفي جميع أفعاله عليم [هود: 106] بمقدار مجازاتهم.
* تفسير Tafsir al-Jalalayn{ وَيَوْمَ يِحْشُرُهُمْ جَمِيعاً يَامَعْشَرَ ٱلْجِنِّ قَدِ ٱسْتَكْثَرْتُمْ مِّنَ ٱلإِنْسِ وَقَالَ أَوْلِيَآؤُهُم مِّنَ ٱلإِنْسِ رَبَّنَا ٱسْتَمْتَعَ بَعْضُنَا بِبَعْضٍ وَبَلَغْنَآ أَجَلَنَا ٱلَّذِيۤ أَجَّلْتَ لَنَا قَالَ ٱلنَّارُ مَثْوَاكُمْ خَالِدِينَ فِيهَآ إِلاَّ مَا شَآءَ ٱللَّهُ إِنَّ رَبَّكَ حَكِيمٌ عَليمٌ }
And, mention, the day when He, God, shall gather them (yahshuruhum, may also read nahshuruhum, 'We shall gather them'), that is, creatures, all together, and it will be said to them: 'O assembly of jinn, you have garnered much of mankind', by your misleading [them]. Then their friends, those who obeyed them, from among mankind will say, 'Our Lord, we enjoyed one another, mankind enjoyed what the jinn adorned for them of passions, while the jinn [enjoyed] mankind's obedience to them; but now we have arrived at the term which You have appointed for us', that is, the Day of Resurrection - this [statement] expresses extreme regret on their part. He, exalted be He, will say, to them, by the tongues of the angels: 'The Fire is your lodging, your abode, to abide therein' - except what God wills, of those times when they will exit from it in order to drink boiling water, which is located outside it, as God, exalted be He, has said: Then they shall return to the Hell-fire [Q. 37:68]; according to Ibn 'Abbās, this [proviso] pertains to those whom God knows will believe (mā, 'what', thus has the sense of man, 'whom'). Surely your Lord is Wise, in His actions, Knowing, of His creatures.
* تفسير Tanwîr al-Miqbâs min Tafsîr Ibn ‘Abbâs{ وَيَوْمَ يِحْشُرُهُمْ جَمِيعاً يَامَعْشَرَ ٱلْجِنِّ قَدِ ٱسْتَكْثَرْتُمْ مِّنَ ٱلإِنْسِ وَقَالَ أَوْلِيَآؤُهُم مِّنَ ٱلإِنْسِ رَبَّنَا ٱسْتَمْتَعَ بَعْضُنَا بِبَعْضٍ وَبَلَغْنَآ أَجَلَنَا ٱلَّذِيۤ أَجَّلْتَ لَنَا قَالَ ٱلنَّارُ مَثْوَاكُمْ خَالِدِينَ فِيهَآ إِلاَّ مَا شَآءَ ٱللَّهُ إِنَّ رَبَّكَ حَكِيمٌ عَليمٌ }
(In the day when He will gather them together) the Jinn and human beings ((He will say): O ye assembly of the Jinn! Many of humankind did ye seduce) how many human beings have erred by seeking help in you. (And their adherents) the adherents of the Jinn (among humankind) who sought help in the leaders of the Jinn upon camping at a valley or hunting a beast of theirs, used to say: 'we seek refuge in the master of this valley from the foolish among his people', and used to feel safe after saying this, (will say: Our Lord!) O our Lord! (We enjoyed one another) we benefited from one another; the benefit of the human beings was safety from the Jinn, and that of the Jinn, their status and position among their people (but now we have arrived at the appointed term which Thou appointedst for us) i.e. death. (He) Allah (will say) to them: (Fire is your home) is your dwelling, O group of Jinn. (Abide therein for ever) abiding in the Fire, (save him whom Allah willeth (to deliver)) but Allah wills that they abide therein for eternity. (Lo! thy Lord is Wise) He decreed that they will abide in Hell for ever, (Aware) of them and of their punishment.
Hello,
Is God infinty loving and Just?
thanks
i see where your going with this.format_quote Originally Posted by AB517
God is just, and he loves those who do righteous good deeds.
How can a man be doing righteous good deeds when he rejects the one who gives him the very air he breathes and lets him free through all his sins till the last breath which is the last chance.
Gods justice is he makes it clear to the people of what is right and wrong, its people who transgress themselves.
I am happy that you know because that means your mind is open and your heart feels what is true from him. He awaits you with open arms and a loving heart. This brings me, but more importly, him (or her) great joy.format_quote Originally Posted by IbnAbdulHakim
This sounds crazy, no it is crazy. I preyed for gods help in forgiving someone. He answered … I know ... I am a sinner and quite frankly a loser.
“Do you want me to punish them forever?”
This got me thinking, what sins are punishable for eternity.
Believing another religion?
I don’t have the answer, that is why I am even here, I am a lost soul seeking answers.
Thank you for taking the time to even answer me.
AB
Hi,
Allah is ready to offer guidance at any time, all a heart has to do is seek. Every human is born upon the fitrah (a natural inclination towards good/islam)
tell me, do you want to worship only one God who gives all good and offers heaven?
or do you want to worship three gods in one ? or idols? or a god who u kno exists but just doesnt wanna send signals (agnostics)... does any of this make sense?
i wouldnt be a muslim if islam wasnt so crystal clear
its nice discussing with you
Hey AB517.
I posted this in another thread, maybe you could check it out because there may be some things which are irrelevant in this post - however, it will be of some benefit to you inshaa Allaah [God willing]:
format_quote Originally Posted by Fi_Sabilillah
The Messenger of God, peace be upon him said that all the children of Adam sin - but the best of sinners are those who repent. Part of repentance is to feel regret for ones mistakes, and to have the intention not to fall into that sin again.
The Messenger of Allah (Peace be upon him) said: Allah the Almighty said:
O son of Adam, so long as you call upon Me and ask of Me, I shall forgive you for what you have done, and I shall not mind. O son of Adam, were your sins to reach the clouds of the sky and were you then to ask forgiveness of Me, I would forgive you. O son of Adam, were you to come to Me with sins nearly as great as the earth and were you then to face Me, ascribing no partner to Me, I would bring you forgiveness nearly as great at it.
It was related by at-Tirmidhi (also by Ahmad ibn Hanbal). Its chain of authorities is sound.
The Prophet (Peace be upon him) said: Allah the Almighty said:
I am as My servant thinks I am (1). I am with him when he makes mention of Me. If he makes mention of Me to himself, I make mention of him to Myself; and if he makes mention of Me in an assembly, I make mention of him in an assemble better than it. And if he draws near to Me an arm's length, I draw near to him a fathom's length. And if he comes to Me walking, I go to him at speed.
(1) Another possible rendering of the Arabic is: "I am as My servant expects Me to be". The meaning is that forgiveness and acceptance of repentance by the Almighty is subject to His servant truly believing that He is forgiving and merciful. However, not to accompany such belief with right action would be to mock the Almighty.
It was related by al-Buhkari (also by Muslim, at-Tirmidhi and Ibn-Majah).
Allaah says:
“O My slaves, all of you are astray except those whom I guide, so ask Me for guidance, and I will guide you. O My slaves, all of you are hungry except those whom I feed, so ask me for food and I will feed you. O My slaves, all of you are naked except those whom I clothe, so ask Me for clothing and I will clothe you. … O My slaves, if the first of you and the last of you, your humans and your jinn, were to stand on a single plain and ask of Me and I were to give each one what he asked for, that would not cause any loss to Me greater than what is lost when a needle is dipped into the sea.”
Narrated by Muslim (2577).
I have to go off now, but if you have any questions - then please don't hesitate to PM me!
Peace.
Dont trust Al-Fateh. Only God can judge.
and God has set certain requirements for jannah. if you dont meet them you dont get admittance into heaven.format_quote Originally Posted by Philosopher
format_quote Originally Posted by IbnAbdulHakimHi,
Allah is ready to offer guidance at any time, all a heart has to do is seek.
Every human is born upon the fitrah (a natural inclination towards good/islam)
tell me, do you want to worship only one God who gives all good and offers heaven?
or do you want to worship three gods in one ? or idols? or a god who u kno exists but just doesnt wanna send signals (agnostics)... does any of this make sense?
i wouldnt be a muslim if islam wasnt so crystal clear
its nice discussing with you
It mean we seek for knowledge and seek for Allah's rewards to us, InshAllah!
We've discussed the issue in depth earlier in this thread, and the reason why the people who don't submit to Allaah [Islaam means submission] don't get rewarded is due to the fact that they rejected Allaah's signs/messengers, and favours which He sent upon them. They chose disbelief over belief even though the proof had become clear and manifest to them.
English Yusuf Ali: [2:257]
Allah is the Protector of those who have faith: from the depths of darkness He will lead them forth into light. Of those who reject faith the patrons are the evil ones: from light they will lead them forth into the depths of darkness. They will be companions of the fire, to dwell therein (For ever).
OH MY …
Just like the bible it seems we can pick verses that point the way. Even though man can not handle the flow of God through him, we can pick parts of it up.
Faith is different from religion. I do submit to this being! I reject and I am so … so … sorry for my transgressions and am trying, all-be-it unsuccessfully, trying not to repeat them.
I will buy this Koran and read it. We Christians have different translations of the bible but the center piece of most is the King James Version. Is there the equivalent of the Koran?
Thank You
AB517
Hey AB517.
The praise is for Allaah Almighty who revealed to His final Messenger the Criterion [The Qur'an], it confirms what came before it (Of Moses [Tawrah] and Jesus's message [the Gospel].) It clears the mistakes which man made when trying to pass on that message.
You may notice that they're are many many denominations within christianity, they even differ on which is the original Gospel revealed to Jesus son of Mary, however the Qur'an confirms what Jesus truely came with, and it clears the misconceptions people had regarding Jesus, that he is the son of God, because we know that God does not have children, He is way above that, the Most Praised, Most Merciful.
The muslims only have One Book - the Qur'an and no muslim differs on that, which is sent down by Allaah to His Final Messenger, Muhammad peace be upon him. We don't reject Jesus son of Mary - the Messiah, nor do we reject Prophet Noah, Abraham, Moses, Jesus etc. We believe that all these great prophets called to the worship of God, my Lord and your Lord, the Cherisher and Sustainer of all that exists.
I posted this in another thread, and i hope you don't mind me copying and pasting what i have said earlier:
Let's start off with the fact that the majority of the world believes in a God, or 'Higher being.' The difference between islaam and all other faiths is that instead of just recognising that there is a God, we believe that the Creator created us with the purpose of submitting to Him, worshipping Him alone sincerely without any associates.
These associates can be stone idols, it can be humans (or human legislations) it can be a person's desires etc.
Islaam call's to the worship of God, known as Allaah in arabic. If you're confused about why God is Allaah in arabic, realise that people from spain call God - Dios, the french call God - Dieu etc. Therefore we call God, Allaah in arabic.
Allaah has sent messengers to convey the same message of calling to the worship of God since the beginning of time, since Adam (peace be upon him) the first person to ever live. All the messengers came to call to Allaah's worship, and this is the purpose of our creation - to worship Allaah, without no associates, so no idols, no humans, no law which opposes the law which Allaah has revealed to His messengers.
We as muslims believe that Noah, Moses, Jesus, Muhammad (peace be upon them all) were prophets. There have been a total of 124,000 prophets that have come to mankind to call to the worship of Allaah Alone. However, the majority of mankind has fallen astray, because they do believe in a Creator, but they reject the fact that He should be worshipped alone.
Any deeds we do, we do them sincerely to gain Allaah's Mercy, and if we gain it - we will enter the eternal paradise which all the prophets have called to also. However, if someone rejects the worship of the One God - without any associates, they will be punished in the hellfire. This is the only sin which God does not forgive, why should He, if the person is saying that a stone is God? Or a human is God etc.
We all will die and be raised back on the day of recompense, when Allaah/God will judge between us on all that we did. No-one will be judged unfairly because Allaah is the Most Just. Allaah can bring the dead back to life, the same way He brings the dead land back to life by sending down rain.
If you feel that God is being unfair to His servants by punishing those that associate partners with Him, then the justice for this will also be balanced out. Allaah will ask those who associated partners with Him to ask the one's they worshipped for reward. So if someone worshipped a stone idol, they will ask that for recompense on the day of judgement (obviously the stone won't be able to do anything.) If someone worships a human, even if the human is pious, the person will have to get their reward from this human [but obviously everything is dependant on the Creator.] The one's who worshipped God Alone, sincerely without no associates - they will be rewarded by Allaah, the Exhalted with an eternal paradise where they can have all that they desire, and more.
If anyone feels that it is unjust, then they have to stop being unjust to their own Creator. If Allaah created man so he should worship Him, then why worship the stone idol, or why worship a human when you can turn towards your Creator?
Allaah Almighty knows best.
If you have any questions - please don't hesitate to ask.
PS: The Qur'an is only Qur'an if it is in the arabic language, there are many other translations which are simply translations - therefore they are prone to error. However there are no contradictions whatsoever in the Qur'an, Muhammad (peace be upon him) never called people to worship him, he called to the worship of God, our Creator of all that exists. This was the same message of all the prophets, from Adam all the way to Muhammad, peace be upon them all.
Peace.
Last edited by - Qatada -; 04-12-2007 at 12:18 PM.
PS: The Qur'an is only Qur'an if it is in the arabic language, there are many other translations which are simply translations - therefore they are prone to error. However there are no contradictions whatsoever in the Qur'an, Muhammad (peace be upon him) never called people to worship him, he called to the worship of God, our Creator of all that exists. This was the same message of all the prophets, from Adam all the way to Muhammad, peace be upon them all.
Can this be said for bible too?
I only know one langue so ill go to the library.
Thank You AB517
There were three child eating dinner. One child said "eat the vetables that will make you healthy. His friend said "no no no ... eat the potatoes that will make you healthy. The third child said "both of you are wrong ... just eat the meat!" The mother standing over them them said in a loving mannor "my children ... eat your dinner."
Very interesting a lot of people want to believe in Allah SWT and not follow Islam. Well in the Holy Quran one verse comes to mind clearly, that no other religion except Islam will be accepted.
Hey AB517.
God would want mankind to follow what He wills right? And if that is the case, He would send us messengers who with come with clear proofs to explain to us what is wrong or right.
If we simply defined what is wrong or right ourselves, do you think that this is okay in the sight of God?
Maybe if we put it this way, it may make more sense. If you were looking after some children and told them that they should do certain acts in order to be rewarded, and the reason for these acts would be to better ones relationship with the Sustainer and Provider, while helping one build their relationship with others among mankind. If they followed what you told them, you would be pleased with them right?
However, now imagine some child comes upto you and starts saying that you have to reward me for what i do, and i'm going to disobey you since i know what is right and i prefer my own laws over what you have told me to do. Would you be pleased with this person? And if they disobeyed you - do they deserve your reward?
Allaah is the Most Merciful and He continues bestowing blessings upon mankind even though the majority are ungrateful to Him since they disbelieve in Him and His Messengers [who all called to the worship and obedience of Him.] The word 'kufr' in the arabic language means disbelief, that is why you may have heard many disbelievers being called 'kaafir (singular) /kuffaar' (plural.) However, in the arabic language - the same word means to be ungrateful. To be ungrateful to God for all that He has given you, yet you still prefer disbelief over belief?
We know that there have been many messengers sent by God, all with the same message - there is none worthy of worship - obedience besides God. Yet mankind has differed, even though the clear proofs have come to them.
God's Messengers warned the people that there would come a day when God would raise us all back to life, the final hour. On the day when mankind would be like scattered moths, and every person would be questioned about his/her actions in this life. Did they obey the Messenger sent to them by Allaah? Those who obeyed the Messenger would have a great reward from their Lord, gardens beneath which rivers flow, in the presence of their Lord, God is pleased with them and they are pleased with Him. Whereas those who belied the truth and rejected the messengers would be punished a severe punishment, the fire is a humiliating punishment for those who felt too arrogant to submit to their Lord.
You may accept the bible as a holy book, however you have to ask yourself why you use the king james version? Is it because someone told you to, why not use another version? Why would God's revelation be in many different languages yet not remain in the original?
The praise is for Allaah who sent His final Messenger with the truth, a book which clarified what came before, and cleared the misconceptions the people of old had. This book is the Criterion, the Qur'an. The Qur'an is the speech of God conveyed to His final messenger, through the ark Angel Gabriel.
You may want to read some translations, here's some good links which may be of some benefit:
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/
http://www.beconvinced.com/
http://islamtomorrow.com/
http://www.load-islam.com/wel_islam.php?topic_id=3
If you need any help or have any questions, please do ask. I hope i'm not dragging this on too long, maybe you could explain the main areas which you're confused about and we could focus on giving you the true islamic stance to it.
Thanks again for your patience.
Regards.
Last edited by - Qatada -; 04-12-2007 at 03:23 PM.
Does it really make sense to say that no other religion will be accepted? Apparently there have been religions before Islam. Are you saying that those religions didn't know about God and just made up stories about God?format_quote Originally Posted by NobleMuslimUK
format_quote Originally Posted by cali dude
There have never been religions before Islaam - Islaam means submission, and the religion of the first human Adam was also Islaam, so was the religion of Noah, Abraham, Moses, Jesus son of Mary and all the 124,000 prophets of Allaah. Submission to your Creator and Provider.
All the true Prophets of Allaah called to Islaam, none is worthy of worship except Allaah Alone, and to Him you will be returned to be judged on all your deeds. Then those who obeyed the Messengers and submitted to Allaah will be rewarded for their good, whereas those who disbelieved and rejected the Messenger will be punished since their deeds were in vain, why? Because they took God's Message in jest and never did any good to please their Creator. Instead they were ungrateful and attributed partners to Him in worship.
Last edited by - Qatada -; 04-12-2007 at 03:38 PM. Reason: sp.
So when you refer to Islam, you are not necessarily talking about following footsteps of Mohammad, instead you are simply talking about submitting to God.
Is this correct?
Islam is a combination of submitting yourself to God, and then following in the footsteps of Muhammad (SAW).
format_quote Originally Posted by cali dude
To submit to God, you need to obey His final Messenger, Muhammad (peace be upon him.) There are no more prophets of Allaah after him and therefore we need belief aswell as action for a deed to be accepted in the sight of Allaah. If either is missing - then it shows that the person hasn't truely submitted to God since they are taking a pick and mix of God's message.
Regards.
No, thank you for your patients, all of you.format_quote Originally Posted by Fi_Sabilillah
Do I as a Christian fit this description? Do other religions fulfill these requirements?
I submit to its greatness, I listen to the profits, and I try and do good deeds for all of his creation. Submission is an important piece in Christianity.
About the only difference I see (so far … I am new) is that I think God will keep talking, showing, and hopefully guiding us so that we may grow into the loving beings he wants us to be. I also believe this is only a small difference, and that the love and good deeds of all enlightened people and those that follow them are the actions that bind us to the likeness of our father.
Would a loving God condemn a person for such a slight difference?
I await my judgment with a childlike anticipation, for I know we all will walk into heaven arm and arm singing the praise’s god, each in their own voice. Our father will welcome us home in the manor that each of his children’s hearts, minds and bodies will embrace like a child embraces their mother.
Am I way off with this?
AB517
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