The Rights of a Dhimmi (non muslim) & Muslim in an Islamic State. (OP)
Rights of Citizens in an Islamic State
Islam protects the rights belonging to the citizens of an Islamic state, whether they are Muslims or non-Muslims.
The first is the right to security of life and property. Islam prohibits killing except for that which is done in the due process of law at the hands of a God-fearing court. No government has the right to murder its citizens, openly or secretly, because they oppose its unjust policies and actions or criticize it. Furthermore, Islam confers the right of security of ownership of property.
Another right is that of the protection of honor. Under Islamic Law, if one is proved to have said things that could have damaged the reputation and honor of the plaintiff, the accused is declared guilty of defamation — regardless of whether or not the plaintiff is able to prove that he is respectable and honorable in the first place.
Citizens of an Islamic state have the right to the sanctity and security of private life. Thus spying on others, reading their mail, tapping their phones, etc., is illegal. Espionage on the life of the individual cannot be justified on moral grounds. In fact, when a government does begin to spy on its own people, the common citizens cannot speak freely even in their own homes, and society begins to suffer from a state of general distrust and suspicion — which in turn leads to more dissatisfaction and eventually unrest.
No citizen can be imprisoned unless his guilt has been proven in an open court in which he has the opportunity to defend himself.
Citizens have the God-given right to protest against the government’s tyranny, whether that abuse is directed against individuals, groups, or the entire population.
Citizens have absolute and complete equality in the eyes of the law regardless of their religion
Islam grants the right of freedom of thought and expression on the condition that it should be used to propagate virtue and truth, not to spread evil and wickedness. Further, no one has the right to use abusive or offensive language in the name of criticism. In fact, the citizen not only has the right of freedom of expression in order to propagate virtue, but also the duty to propagate virtue and stop the spread of evil.
Islam gives people the right to freedom of association and formation of parties or organizations, provided that this right is exercised to spread virtue and righteousness, not to spread evil and mischief.
Citizens of an Islamic state have the right to freedom of conscience and conviction. Non-Muslim citizens cannot be forced to accept Islam, and no moral, social, or political pressure can be put on them to make them change their minds.
Religious sentiments are to be protected. Discussion and debate on religious matters can be held, but these must be conducted in decency with no abusive language. This applies to followers of all faiths.
An individual cannot be arrested or imprisoned for the offenses of others. Every person is responsible for his own acts.
Citizens have the right to the basic necessities of life. It is the responsibility of the State to provide the basic necessities for the poor and needy, invalid, orphaned, elderly, unemployed, et cetera. Even a dead person with no guardian or heir has the right to a proper burial by the State.
The citizens of an Islamic state have absolute and complete equality in the eyes of the law, regardless of their religion.
In an Islamic state, the rulers are not above the law. All officials of the state, whether they are the head or ordinary employees, are equal in the eyes of the law. None can claim immunity. Even an ordinary citizen has the right to forward a claim or file a complaint against the highest executive in the country.
Citizens have the right to avoid sin. No government, or administrator, or head of a department can order another person to do wrong. A person who is so ordered has the right to refuse to comply, and this would not be seen as an offense under Islamic Law.
Islam grants the right to participate in the affairs of state. Thus every citizen has the right to have a direct say in the affairs of the state or a representative chosen by him and others.
Last edited by - Qatada -; 06-08-2007 at 02:50 PM.
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Joe, we know that there is no Islamic State in the world today ^ its mentioned in the 3rd post.
Regards.
Iran, Pakistan and Saudie Arabia call themselves Islamic countries. As a result the world can see what an Islamic state is like by watching the actions of these countries.
The thing is, if any of us non-believers critisize any of these countries, you will tell us we are critizing Islam - and in the same breath tell us they are not Islamic.
Re: The Rights of a Dhimmi (non muslim) & Muslim in an Islamic State.
If someone would create a true 100% democracy, it would be the most perfect state the world has ever seen.
There would be no need to talk about the rights of this group or that group because they would all be the same.
If every country would adapt this democracy, surly all wars would end and for the first time since there have been two tribes, the world would be at peace.
Re: The Rights of a Dhimmi (non muslim) & Muslim in an Islamic State.
format_quote Originally Posted by Joe98
Iran, Pakistan and Saudie Arabia call themselves Islamic countries. As a result the world can see what an Islamic state is like by watching the actions of these countries.
The thing is, if any of us non-believers critisize any of these countries, you will tell us we are critizing Islam - and in the same breath tell us they are not Islamic.
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actually, i never heard anyone saying that you are criticizing islam when you criticize those countries.
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Re: The Rights of a Dhimmi (non muslim) & Muslim in an Islamic State.
format_quote Originally Posted by Ruggedtouch
I’m not sure why you would make this claim.
I would propose that an Islamic state is one where Moslems are the majority inhabitants, where islam is the mandated religion and where sharia is the legal system. By that definition, there are many Islamic states. I would suggest that it’s disingenuous to claim - - and unrealistic to expect that – there ever could be the prototypical Islamic paradise prophesized by the historical figure you revere as a religious figure.
Clearly, people are an incorporation of their religious beliefs, practices and customs. People get their religious beliefs, in this case, Islam, from somewhere. In this case, that “somewhere” is the Koran. I note that the states you claim are not Islamic states certainly do claim that they are Islamic states. Their religious perspectives are inclusive of their behavior, be it for power or destruction or material gains, that people are an integration of their politics and their religions and their traditions and their desires, etc. You simply can’t dismiss the religious connotations to their behavior. I incorporate them (and do so fairly on both sides of the question). These cultures have religion (islam), as their primary motivation so it is fair and accurate to judge islam by Islamic nations.
Curiously, however, folks who have not allowed a monopolistic spirit realm to develop, notably the folks of India and China, largely polytheistic nations, are on the rise. By dint of population, growing wealth, and political influence, their ascendancy portends an altered global mindset as all the gods shall be accorded a place in the ineluctable unfolding of human destiny.
You misunderstand, these are not True scotsman islamic state.
Now i am curious where these rules were established?
Where did Mohammad or Alah set up these rules?
Re: The Rights of a Dhimmi (non muslim) & Muslim in an Islamic State.
format_quote Originally Posted by Joe98
Iran, Pakistan and Saudie Arabia call themselves Islamic countries. As a result the world can see what an Islamic state is like by watching the actions of these countries.
The thing is, if any of us non-believers critisize any of these countries, you will tell us we are critizing Islam - and in the same breath tell us they are not Islamic.
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Well calling a country an Islamic state doesn't make it one. What you should do is see if there actions are in line with the Islamic teachings. I can tell you with certainty that this nations that you have mentioned don't even follow Islam fully. To be fair there are people who try to impelment Islam in their daily life but they are not the majority. As a muslim when i see those nations i don't see an Islamic state in action and many muslims could testify to that.
You are welcomed to criticize those nations and if you need company let me know. It is a common thing in our family to discuss and criticize them. While you are doing so, please learn to differentiate between Islam and the so called "Islamic states.".
format_quote Originally Posted by ranma1/2
do you got a link to this history? and what happened to this wonderful place of right action?
It disappeared when muslims abadoned their faith and started to put culture, nation, and other things before Islam. Hopefully, one day it will return when muslims are ready for it.
Re: The Rights of a Dhimmi (non muslim) & Muslim in an Islamic State.
format_quote Originally Posted by Joe98
perhaps if you provde an internet link to these laws we can all study them for ourselves.
I can not speak for Bro Ansar and he is a much better source for this then I am or ever will be. I am not very knowledgeable about Islam anr far from understanding Shariah.
I doubt if any comprehensive sites exist, particular English ones I doubt if any one scholar ever lived long enough to read all of the legal rulings of all the jf memory serves me right it takes about half a million books to hold all of the rules.
I believe many sharia scholars limit there studies just one area.
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I want to ask something. I know that christians and jews (people of the book) who live in lands conquered by muslims they have 3 options (as far as i know)- to accept the special tax and live peacefully in muslim controlled land, or to convert to islam and become full citizens or to resist the occupation and fight. So i wanna ask, whats the fate of atheists and agnostics (like Wilber or Snakelegs for example) in such lands. What options they have?
This country is dying because of a lack of men, not a lack of programs.
Re: The Rights of a Dhimmi (non muslim) & Muslim in an Islamic State.
format_quote Originally Posted by Aaron85
I want to ask something. I know that christians and jews (people of the book) who live in lands conquered by muslims they have 3 options (as far as i know)- to accept the special tax and live peacefully in muslim controlled land, or to convert to islam and become full citizens or to resist the occupation and fight. So i wanna ask, whats the fate of atheists and agnostics (like Wilber or Snakelegs for example) in such lands. What options they have?
i don't think atheists and agnostics are included under the term "dhimmi" so, yeah, it would be interesting to know the laws regarding them and how they differ.
(personally, i would never want to live in under any kind of theocracy, but it is not something i worry about.)
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Quote: So i wanna ask, whats the fate of atheists and agnostics (like Wilber or Snakelegs for example) in such lands. What options they have? Endquote
Quote: Execution. Endquote
And here we have the advocate of no-compulsion-in-religion.
Its true actually. You cant be non-compliant if your head is in a basket.
Thanks sister for showing us the sunny side of your religion.
Occupation: The term of control of a territory by foreign military forces: Iraq 2003-2005 Liberation:when something or someone is freed: Operation Telic 2003
Re: The Rights of a Dhimmi (non muslim) & Muslim in an Islamic State.
format_quote Originally Posted by Aaron85
I want to ask something. I know that christians and jews (people of the book) who live in lands conquered by muslims they have 3 options (as far as i know)- to accept the special tax and live peacefully in muslim controlled land, or to convert to islam and become full citizens or to resist the occupation and fight. So i wanna ask, whats the fate of atheists and agnostics (like Wilber or Snakelegs for example) in such lands. What options they have?
Hi
In any islamic country ,any non-muslim is as respectable citizen as any other person with exception of a few rights.Like he cannot become head of the state.
First Commander in Chief of the Pakistan Army was General Gracy a Christian,.One of Chief justice of Pakistan was Justice Carnaleus ,a christian. A few months back a Hindu took oath as Chief justice of Pakistan.
Though Pakistan is still not a true "islamic country".
Who can be more irrational than those who say: Design is possible without a designer ??
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format_quote Originally Posted by snakelegs
i don't think atheists and agnostics are included under the term "dhimmi" so, yeah, it would be interesting to know the laws regarding them and how they differ.
What do you mean they're not included as "dhimmi"? The full term used is "kaaffir dhimmi" (unbelievers under protection). Unbelievers who wage war and cause trouble against the Islamic State is termed "kaaffir harbi".
Jews and Christians are categorized as "ahle kitab" (People of the Book)
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format_quote Originally Posted by Muslim Knight
What do you mean they're not included as "dhimmi"? The full term used is "kaaffir dhimmi" (unbelievers under protection). Unbelievers who wage war and cause trouble against the Islamic State is termed "kaaffir harbi".
Jews and Christians are categorized as "ahle kitab" (People of the Book)
i have seen dhimmi defined as unbelievers or non-muslim (under muslim protection) and i have also seen in more narrowly defined as referring specifically to christians, jews and sometimes other religions too.
so i am not sure if an atheist or agnostic would come under the term dhimmi or not. i am really curious now - does anyone know for sure?
were there even atheists and agnostics around in the early days of islam?
i know there were people of the book and there were idolators, but were there atheists?
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