Please shed light on these few verses for me please. So I can fathom them.
1- If you fear that you will not act justly towards the orphans, marry such woman' as seem good to you, two, three, four; but if you fear you will not be equitable, then only one, or what your right hands own;
2 - Oh Prophet, We have made lawful for thee thy wives whom thou hast given their wages and what thy right hand owns, spoils of war that God has given thee, and the daughter of thy uncles paternal and aunts paternal, thy uncles maternal and aunts maternal, who have emigrated with thee, and any woman believer, if she give herself to the Prophet and if the Prophet desire to take her in marriage, for thee exclusively, apart from the believers
3 - Does circumcision have to be carried out according to the Quran?
4 - What is this verse meant by? ''Al-Hasan al-Basri narrated: The Messenger of God said, "The only two things I cherish of the life of this world are women and perfume''
5 - Did Mohammed have thirteen wives?
6 - Explain this please ''Round about them will serve, (devoted) to them, Youths (handsome) as Pearls well-guarded. S. 52:24 Y. Ali
There wait on them immortal youths With bowls and ewers and a cup from a pure spring.
There wait on them immortal youths, whom, when thou seest, thou wouldst take for scattered pearls.
I'm trying to get a better understanding as these are the few things i'm having difficulty understandng. I get different responses from different people.
Don't mean any offence.
Ėk Gusā Alhu Mėrā
The One Lord, the Lord of the World, is my God Allah.
Dhan Guru Arjan Dev Mahraaj Ji!
Kal Meh Bėḏ Atharbaṇ Hū Nā Kẖuḏā Alhu Bẖa.
In the Dark Age of Kali Yuga, the Atharva Veda became prominent; Allah became the Name of God.
I'll try to get more info for the others inshaa Allaah.
About the issue of young servants going around in paradise - they will serve the people in paradise. And they'll resemble scattered pearls. Nothing confusing about that.
Last edited by - Qatada -; 04-22-2007 at 11:45 AM.
but as the above brother and sister said talk to a scholar..it will give you more of an understanding
Thanks
Is this bit true?
"The Messenger of God said, 'Gabriel met me with a pot, of which I ate, and I was given the kafit [sexual ability] of forty men.' "Salma narrated: "In one night, the Prophet had intercourse with his nine wives (who were to out-live him). When he would come out each time he would say, 'Pour water for me.' He would wash before having sex with the following one. I asked him 'O, Messenger of God, isn't one time of washing enough for you?' The Prophet replied, 'This is purer and better.' "
Ėk Gusā Alhu Mėrā
The One Lord, the Lord of the World, is my God Allah.
Dhan Guru Arjan Dev Mahraaj Ji!
Kal Meh Bėḏ Atharbaṇ Hū Nā Kẖuḏā Alhu Bẖa.
In the Dark Age of Kali Yuga, the Atharva Veda became prominent; Allah became the Name of God.
It may be true ^ i have heard in a lecture about the strength of 40 men narration, however - they havn't quoted the source for the rest of it so Allaah knows best.
It was reported from Salmaan ibn ‘Aamir (may Allaah be pleased with him) that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “For the boy there should be an ‘aqeeqah. Slaughter (an animal) for him and remove the harmful thing [i.e., the foreskin] from him.” (Narrated by al-Tirmidhi, 1515; al-Nasaa’i, 4214; Abu Dawood, 2839; Ibn Maajah, 3164. The hadeeth was classed as saheeh by al-Albaani, may Allaah have mercy on him, in al-Irwaa’, 4/396).
So it is done according to the Sunnah, i'm not sure the hows, but any doctor can tell you if you ask. Probably any average person knows.
You can get more info regarding the wives of the Messenger of Allaah (peace be upon him) from here:
And the issue of perfume and women has been explained in a previous link:
"These four are of the traditions of the Messengers [of God]: shyness, wearing perfume, brushing the teeth with siwak, and wedlock." A woman is the best object of enjoyment of this world: "Life is an object of enjoyment, and there is nothing better in the pleasures of the world than a good women." The conditions [or descriptions] of a good wife, however, are: She should bring delight to her husband whenever he looks at her, and obey him whenever he commands her to do something [so long as it doesn't oppose Islamic teachings.]
Last edited by - Qatada -; 04-22-2007 at 12:34 PM.
It was reported from Salmaan ibn ‘Aamir (may Allaah be pleased with him) that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “For the boy there should be an ‘aqeeqah. Slaughter (an animal) for him and remove the harmful thing [i.e., the foreskin] from him.” (Narrated by al-Tirmidhi, 1515; al-Nasaa’i, 4214; Abu Dawood, 2839; Ibn Maajah, 3164. The hadeeth was classed as saheeh by al-Albaani, may Allaah have mercy on him, in al-Irwaa’, 4/396).
So it is done according to the Sunnah, i'm not sure the hows, but any doctor can tell you if you ask. Probably any average person knows.
You can get more info regarding the wives of the Messenger of Allaah (peace be upon him) from here:
And the issue of perfume and women has been explained in a previous link:
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"These four are of the traditions of the Messengers [of God]: shyness, wearing perfume, brushing the teeth with siwak, and wedlock." A woman is the best object of enjoyment of this world: "Life is an object of enjoyment, and there is nothing better in the pleasures of the world than a good women." The conditions [or descriptions] of a good wife, however, are: She should bring delight to her husband whenever he looks at her, and obey him whenever he commands her to do something [so long as it doesn't oppose Islamic teachings.]
To an outsider this would just shed light on lust. As all it refers to is what a woman is. Why? It's confusing
Ėk Gusā Alhu Mėrā
The One Lord, the Lord of the World, is my God Allah.
Dhan Guru Arjan Dev Mahraaj Ji!
Kal Meh Bėḏ Atharbaṇ Hū Nā Kẖuḏā Alhu Bẖa.
In the Dark Age of Kali Yuga, the Atharva Veda became prominent; Allah became the Name of God.
It may be true ^ i have heard in a lecture about the strength of 40 men narration, however - they havn't quoted the source for the rest of it so Allaah knows best.
May? how does one know what is true or not. Surely this would be mentioned in the Hadiths>? (or sura)
Ėk Gusā Alhu Mėrā
The One Lord, the Lord of the World, is my God Allah.
Dhan Guru Arjan Dev Mahraaj Ji!
Kal Meh Bėḏ Atharbaṇ Hū Nā Kẖuḏā Alhu Bẖa.
In the Dark Age of Kali Yuga, the Atharva Veda became prominent; Allah became the Name of God.
To an outsider this would just shed light on lust. As all it refers to is what a woman is. Why? It's confusing
This is when you have to look into the whole picture, if we look into the context of the situation - what would the King of a whole nation do? Would he live a poor life? Because he did that when he had power over a whole nation. Would he get married to widows? Or would he marry all virgins?
Let's see the table:
Name of Bride/----------------/ Age at marriage/-------------/ Comments Khadija bin Khuwailid /---------------/ 40 /-------------------/twice widowed before Sawda bint Zam'ah /-------------------/ 50 /-------------------------------/ widow Aisha bint Abi Bakr /------------------/ 9 /-----------/ Started living with the prophet at the age of 9. Hafsa bint Umar /---------------------/ 22 /-------------------/ widow Zaynab bint Khuzaimah /-----------/ 30 /--------------------/ Umm Salamah bint A.U. /-----------/ 26 /--------------------/ widow Zaynab bint Jahsh /------------------/ 38 /--------------------/ widow Juwayriyyah bint Harith /------------/ 20 /--------------------/ widow Umm Habiba bint A.S. /------------/ 36 /--------------------/ widow Safiyyah bint Huyay /----------------/ 17 /--------------------/ widow Maymuna bint Harith /-------------/ 36 /--------------------/ widow
The majority of the Prophet's wives were middle-aged widows!
Also - if it was all simply on lust, why didn't he get married to many women at the prime of his youth? Let's look at it this way - he never got married to anyone till the age of 25, and he never had an immoral history - everyone titled him Al-Ameen [the trustworthy], and Al-Saadiq [the truthful.] - even his enemies called him that. Infact, his first marriage to Khadija was a proposal from Khadija to him because he was working for her as a business man. She knew his honesty and therefore she proposed to him, and guess how old she was? 40. She had been twice widowed and she proposed to him so he accepted.
He loved her, and she loved him. They stayed with each other until she died. Later on he only got married to Aa'isha, and then after that there were other women who had left their homes for the sake of Allaah, their husbands had died and they never had nowhere to live - so he married them to make their life easier for them. And guess what? None of them had anything evil to say about him. Infact they loved him alot. He never divorced them either, so how could it simply be for lust?
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May? how does one know what is true or not. Surely this would be mentioned in the Hadiths>? (or sura)
Yes, therefore we would need a source for that quote. I.e. what collection the hadith is collected in, its volume/number etc.
To an outsider this would just shed light on lust. As all it refers to is what a woman is. Why? It's confusing
By the way, that hadith was referring to a virtuous woman i.e. a woman you can trust, and she can trust you, someone who is pious, chaste etc.
Someone who has the desire of beauty and popularity etc. doesn't really want to be in a commited relationship, they just want to take the pleasure and desire and then move on. And that wasn't the Prophetic way.
The outsider needs to look at all sides of the situation, and i'm glad you got an open mind init.
The outsider needs to look at all sides of the situation, and i'm glad you got an open mind init.
Regards.
True. I'm realy trying, but even some verses in the Bible make me query it. Sikhi has none of this. Nothing that sheds light on women as such things. :-S
Ėk Gusā Alhu Mėrā
The One Lord, the Lord of the World, is my God Allah.
Dhan Guru Arjan Dev Mahraaj Ji!
Kal Meh Bėḏ Atharbaṇ Hū Nā Kẖuḏā Alhu Bẖa.
In the Dark Age of Kali Yuga, the Atharva Veda became prominent; Allah became the Name of God.
Trust me, i remember posting a similar hadith in a thread quite a while back. And that thread was about some guys in india selling their wives to people so their wives could bring some extra money into the household.
Think about it - one of the best enjoyments in life which a man can have is to have a wife to help him through his good and bad. She's like a companion for him and they help each other out through the difficulties they face in life. They help each other remain chaste, and they have the right to enjoy each other since Allaah has permitted that for them.
Why so many? Jesus had none isn't that the way of the Prophet to be?
Try looking in the jewish and christian scriptures, Prophet Solomon [Sulaiman] had around 100 wives, there were many Prophets who had more than one wife and its mentioned within their scriptures till today. It's a natural fact, since there are more women in the world, and men are more polygamous by nature whereas a woman is happy with one man/protector etc.
I remember in other threads about why women weren't allowed to have more than one husband, the arguments put forward were the fact that the common question would be: "Who's the daddy?!" and even if you say DNA tests, that wasn't always possible to put into practise, and people in poor countries still can't perform that test today.
You have to ask yourself - who would be the father of the children? Would every man bring in money from work while the woman stays at home looking after them all? How much time would she spend with them all once she was pregnant? We also know that it's not permissible for a man to have intercourse with his wife while she is in her menses, and thats scientifically proven to be harmful for both the male and the female - so what else would there be besides chaos within these relationships?
Men are the providers of the women, and if you read the verse you quoted about men marrying more than one wife:
To orphans restore their property (When they reach their age), nor substitute (your) worthless things for (their) good ones; and devour not their substance (by mixing it up) with your own. For this is indeed a great sin.
If ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly with the orphans, Marry women of your choice, Two or three or four; but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one, or (a captive) that your right hands possess, that will be more suitable, to prevent you from doing injustice.
[Qur'an 4: 2-3]
If someone fears they won't be able to treat them fairly, then they can only get married to one. And we know that the Messenger of Allaah treated all his wives fairly and justly.
Also in regard to Jesus son of Mary (peace be upon them) - we know that he will come back to the earth again - slay the Anti-Christ [Al-Dajjaal] and then he will live in this world, get married and have a family - then he will die a natural death.
Shall i tell you something shocking? It wasn't actually Islaam that brought this idea of polygamy forward - infact this was the common practise where men could have unlimited wives all over the world. So Islaam is what actually limited it.
It's also quite shocking that the some people who actually attack Islaam for allowing polygamy find nothing wrong with having a girlfriend or having a mistress etc. Infact there is no law in the west today which stops a guy from having a million girlfriends, but he can only have one wife. You have to question why they do that? When they even know that guys are by nature like this? And if the guy cheats on his wife, she can't do nothing about it.. is that really fair?
If you agree, but you disagree with the idea of polygamy. What is to happen to those women who never get to get married? Imagine every guy in the world getting married to one woman each, what about all the 'excess' women who dont have a husband? Because we know that without a doubt the number of women is greater than the number of men in the world. What will happen to these women? Remember that these women may also have urges to want to get married, so shouldn't they have the right to get married to someone so long as this person treats his wives fairly and justly? Or should they be forced into prostitution - which is a common practise today? I think you'll agree that polygamy is the better option. If not - what other better alternative is there?
And Allaah Almighty knows best.
Regards.
Last edited by - Qatada -; 04-22-2007 at 02:41 PM.
Yes I realise all this. Seems bizzare. Same with Soloman and David, having so many wives would NOT be the way of any Prophet. Something I can't get my head around. The Messenger of Allah would only have one f ocus, that would be to relay the Message of our Master not indulge in numerous wives. (as these are sins of the flesh) Something as I keep saying is not likely of a Prophet!
Oh well we shall see when we are summoned, then we shall see who is wrong, and who is right.
OK another question. If Mohammed is the last, then why do you await the Mahidi?
Last edited by AvarAllahNoor; 04-22-2007 at 05:13 PM.
Ėk Gusā Alhu Mėrā
The One Lord, the Lord of the World, is my God Allah.
Dhan Guru Arjan Dev Mahraaj Ji!
Kal Meh Bėḏ Atharbaṇ Hū Nā Kẖuḏā Alhu Bẖa.
In the Dark Age of Kali Yuga, the Atharva Veda became prominent; Allah became the Name of God.
Yes I realise all this. Seems bizzare. Same with Soloman and David, having so many wives would NOT be the way of any Prophet. Something I can't get my head around. The Messenger of Allah would only have on focus, that would be to relay the Message of our Master not indulge in numerous wives. (as this sins of the flesh) Something as I keep saying is not likely of a Prophet!
If Allaah has permitted it for them, then it is allowed. It's Allaah who decides what's wrong and right, not us.
Oh well we shall see when we are summoned to who is worng and who is right.
True, without a doubt. But we also have to realise that there is no turning back after that day so you have to be really sincere in this life in order to find the truth.
Allaah says:
“O My slaves, all of you are astray except those whom I guide, so ask Me for guidance, and I will guide you. O My slaves, all of you are hungry except those whom I feed, so ask me for food and I will feed you. O My slaves, all of you are naked except those whom I clothe, so ask Me for clothing and I will clothe you. … O My slaves, if the first of you and the last of you, your humans and your jinn, were to stand on a single plain and ask of Me and I were to give each one what he asked for, that would not cause any loss to Me greater than what is lost when a needle is dipped into the sea.”
Narrated by Muslim (2577).
OK another question. If Mohammed is the last, then why do you await the Mahidi?
The Mahdi is someone who will help the muslims, there is a hadith recorded in Abi Dawud which mentions that every century there will be someone who will revive Islaam for the muslims [known as a Mujaddid.] These people don't bring anything new into the religion, they just call back to it [the teachings of Qur'an and Authentic Sunnah.] The scholars agree that Umar ibn Abdul Aziz was the first reviver on the first century of Hijrah. And there were others as time has progressed.
The Mahdi will also be a Mujaddid and he won't bring any new message, nor will he be a prophet of Allaah. But he has been prophecised by the Messenger of Allaah (peace be upon him) also - & he will also revive Islaam and remove injustice on the earth the same way it was spread with injustice before.
If you're confused about the Messiah - Jesus son of Mary (peace be upon them) returning to the earth, he will also come as a follower and apply the law which was revealed to Allaah's final Messenger, Muhammad (peace be upon him.) Since we know that he wasn't killed, rather he was raised to the heavens by Allaah for a temporary amount of time, until Allaah wills for him to return.
And Allaah Almighty knows best.
Regards.
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