God Doesnt exist because we havent and cant see him? (OP)
as you all know one common atheist argument which they mockingly use is that god doesnt exist because we dont see him, that we are dellusional and crazy for believing in the 'invisible man upstairs' as they say.
well this article refutes this argument and shows how weak and illogical and mis-interpreted it is with us God believers:
I don't understand how people can give that excuse for not beliving in God. Just because we can't see him doesn't mean he doesn't exist. We can't see air but we know it exists..we can't see love we know that exists...
Absolutely correct.
Just because we can't see the invisible aliens who sit on our shoulders doesn't mean they don't exist.
I have never heard an atheist claim that God doesn't exist because we can't see him. That would be nonsensical.
To any atheist, both God and the aliens on the shoulder could exist... We atheists just don't have any reason to believe that they do. Neither appears to impact our lives in any way. And claims about them appear to be invented by other people. There are also equally plausible competing ideas such as Gods who want the exact opposite things of us.
The comparison we atheists often give of God(s) to celestial tea pots, IPUs, flying spaghetti monsters etc, may sound offensive to believers, but they are not meant as insults. They are meant to give believers an understanding of how atheists truly view the idea of specified Gods.
The Flying Spaghetti Monster is not us making fun of you. It is us trying to show you how extraordiary your claims are to somebody without the evidence for them you apparently have.
Last edited by Pygoscelis; 09-11-2007 at 08:49 AM.
Re: God Doesnt exist because we havent and cant see him?
source, I Can't Quote it all BUT its a good read if you have time, is a modern approach and not just a "its a theory, you have no proof, shutup" article
LOL ! Nice one, i like those type of articles
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My tears testify that i have a heart
yet i feel me and shaytan never part
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Re: God Doesnt exist because we havent and cant see him?
format_quote Originally Posted by Sheba
Peace,
But there is verifiable proof available that God exists...does anyone wish to learn how?
You've got no more proof that your specified God exists than I have that the Flying Spaghetti Monster exists or that the Invisible Pink Unicorn exists. Show me otherwise.
Re: God Doesnt exist because we havent and cant see him?
format_quote Originally Posted by Sheba
Peace,
But there is verifiable proof available that God exists...does anyone wish to learn how?
No there isn't, or anything even vaguely resembling it. Were there, I think folks might actually be very surprised at the rate at which 'atheists' would disappear.
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I am rather suprised at people saying something does not exist before checking out the evidence for it! Ranma 1/2 stated math is proof...that's exactely the science that our Creator has used to prove that the Quran is from God. I do not mean the "good read" of the Da Vinci code either.
The Quran is written in a way...proven by math....that this scripture CANNOT be sent by anyone other than the Creator.
Yes, it will give proof to all those disbelievers...but some don't want to learn the truth. God does not force anyone to believe in Him, but the truth is there for all those who wish the right path.
Re: God Doesnt exist because we havent and cant see him?
format_quote Originally Posted by Sheba
I am rather suprised at people saying something does not exist before checking out the evidence for it!
First, please stop this annoying habbit theists have of putting words into our mouths. NOBODY here has said God does not exist. We have merely said there is no evidence for this extraordinary claim that your specific God exists so we operate like he doesn't. Its just like there really COULD be invisible aliens sitting on your shoulder right now. Its possible. But I doubt you worry much about it.
The Quran is written in a way...proven by math....that this scripture CANNOT be sent by anyone other than the Creator.
Go on...? All I see is a bunch of stories people claim to be truth. How does this prove anything?
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We go over and over this topic again and again. Can somebody change the disc please?
Everybody has his beliefs, that doesn't make people more superior towards others. The Aztecs had theirs Gods, the Maya, the Egyptians, and so on. There is no God, in best case, there are Gods ! If you would have said that Allah is the only true God, well Aztecs would have chopped off your head for blasphemy.
Allah might be a God, but not the God.
Didn't people in Pre-Islamic Era also not believe in more than 350 different Gods?
So why this permanent Religion Bashing? Can we not simply coexist in peace?
Im Always Right,Its Like,When Im Right,Im Right,And When Im Wrong,I Could've Been Right,So Im Still Right,'Cause I Could've Been Wrong!
Re: God Doesnt exist because we havent and cant see him?
format_quote Originally Posted by Pygoscelis
First, please stop this annoying habbit theists have of putting words into our mouths. NOBODY here has said God does not exist. We have merely said there is no evidence for this extraordinary claim that your specific God exists so we operate like he doesn't. Its just like there really COULD be invisible aliens sitting on your shoulder right now. Its possible. But I doubt you worry much about it.
Go on...? All I see is a bunch of stories people claim to be truth. How does this prove anything?
I was suprised at the fact that people have not checked out our Creator's claim for proof and not "putting words into our mouths". If you believe, or not believe is of no importance to me...but it will be to you.
My intention was simply to give you the proof you demand. If you chose to check it out that would be to your benefit. If not, to your loss..the choice is yours.
Re: God Doesnt exist because we havent and cant see him?
format_quote Originally Posted by Sheba
I am rather suprised at people saying something does not exist before checking out the evidence for it! Ranma 1/2 stated math is proof...that's exactely the science that our Creator has used to prove that the Quran is from God. I do not mean the "good read" of the Da Vinci code either.
The Quran is written in a way...proven by math....that this scripture CANNOT be sent by anyone other than the Creator.
Yes, it will give proof to all those disbelievers...but some don't want to learn the truth. God does not force anyone to believe in Him, but the truth is there for all those who wish the right path.
so what evidence do you have?
many books you can find math in them.
Please provide this evidence.
Heck lets say for a moment that there is special scripture, why not aliens, people from the future, monsters named bob, the GFSM...etc..
of course i dont see anything special so far but i will wait..
Re: God Doesnt exist because we havent and cant see him?
format_quote Originally Posted by Sheba
I was suprised at the fact that people have not checked out our Creator's claim for proof and not "putting words into our mouths". If you believe, or not believe is of no importance to me...but it will be to you.
My intention was simply to give you the proof you demand. If you chose to check it out that would be to your benefit. If not, to your loss..the choice is yours.
Do you wish to learn, or do you wish to mock?
'Learning' involves checking out both sides of the story.
Nobody is trying to 'mock' anybody.. it's just we all (I suspect) have checked it, and all other such 'proofs', out - and find it to be nothing of the sort. You hang around here a while, and you get to see all of it.
You can visit an Islamic site and see what appears to be a reasonable argument. However, you can also visit an agnostic/atheistic, or even Christian site in some cases, and see an equally convincing argument that the Islamic argument is bunkum. In neither case, if you check and research them with reasonable care, do you find 'proof'. So you are left with two arguments presenting evidence, and all you can do is weigh them up and decide which evidence you consider strongest. Which gets chosen depends pretty much on the view you had in the first place... and hence evidence a muslim would find convincing is nothing of the sort to an atheist. It's much easier to accept something as 'proof' of the existence of God IF you believe God existed before you even considered it!
Re: God Doesnt exist because we havent and cant see him?
format_quote Originally Posted by Sheba
My intention was simply to give you the proof you demand. If you chose to check it out that would be to your benefit. If not, to your loss..the choice is yours.
All i see is something similar to pyramidology. Ever checked that out? Does it make you a believer in ancient egyptian myths?
Re: God Doesnt exist because we havent and cant see him?
format_quote Originally Posted by Pygoscelis
All i see is something similar to pyramidology. Ever checked that out? Does it make you a believer in ancient egyptian myths?
Only an atheist can have such an irrational thought that "design can exist without a designer".
Not seeing a thing does not mean that it does not exist.
No one has seen the "atom" and its components.But they exist because we know through indirect evidenc.
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Who can be more irrational than those who say: Design is possible without a designer ??
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format_quote Originally Posted by asadxyz
Only an atheist can have such an irrational thought that "design can exist without a designer".
Same old strawman. And the same old reply, as it doesn't seem to have sunk in the last time. No (halfway intelligent) atheist thinks "design can exist without a designer". By definition a 'design' must have a designer. What atheists actually think is that there is no 'design' to require a designer.
Got it?
Not seeing a thing does not mean that it does not exist
Nobody would disagree with that. But, again, nobody has said that not seeing a thing means it doesn't exist... its another strawman. But not seeing something doesn't exactly go a long way towards 'proving' that it does exist, does it?
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