Macroevolution could be seen as satans tool in that - it moves one away from God, or atleast, as the scientists claim, no God was required - hence removing credit from God of creation.
Btw, I didn't watch the video - since its by VenomFagX, who makes ridiculous comments about everything, including Islam.
Fight in the way of God, against those who fight against you, drive them out of the places they have drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. Fight them, until persecution is no more, and Religion is for God. But if they stop, let there be no war.
Macroevolution could be seen as satans tool in that - it moves one away from God, or atleast, as the scientists claim, no God was required - hence removing credit from God of creation.
Btw, I didn't watch the video - since its by VenomFagX, who makes ridiculous comments about everything, including Islam.
lol Md you surprise me. I didnt see you as a Youtube Junkie :P
Anyways, for the sake of simplicity, do you agree with the statements about evolution in this video?
Tell me what he said breifly - Seriously I can't stand that guy and I won't watch him .
He is known for calling EVERONE apart from hiself a satanist though - so meh, he shouldn't be taken seriously.
Fight in the way of God, against those who fight against you, drive them out of the places they have drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. Fight them, until persecution is no more, and Religion is for God. But if they stop, let there be no war.
I didnt watch this Video because it is meaningless simply because there is huge number of Theories with and against evolution of Humans and if you ask any scientist he will tell you:
A B C science that there is no 100 % theory correct EVEN those who already proved!
For MUSLIMS there is Human evolution on the behavior and thinking and Faith and things that they use only!
The evolution theory is EVIL for those who are disappointed in their faith because they found un logic answers in what they were taught when they grow,
and they grow they found a lot of Mistakes because of human corruption in what they were taught, that’s why most atheists come from religion like Christianity where they cannot even explain Trinity for example, so with those disappointments they either go to other faiths to seek answers or they prefer to become atheists!
but this is not the case in ISLAM thanks Allah (saw) !
I didnt watch this Video because it is meaningless simply because there is huge number of Theories with and against evolution of Humans and if you ask any scientist he will tell you:
If by theory, you mean opinion and scientist you mean rambling evangelist with no idea about the first thing about science, then sure
A B C science that there is no 100 % theory correct EVEN those who already proved!
yes, that is why science is called tentative. Then again, so is everything really. It isnt 100% chance that the sun will rise tomorrow either
For MUSLIMS there is Human evolution on the behavior and thinking and Faith and things that they use only!
Some disagree, but Id say what you say is true. Seeing how Islam conflicts with science, I decided agaisnt being a muslim
The evolution theory is EVIL for those who are disappointed in their faith because they found un logic answers in what they were taught when they grow,
and they grow they found a lot of Mistakes because of human corruption in what they were taught, that’s why most atheists come from religion like Christianity where they cannot even explain Trinity for example, so with those disappointments they either go to other faiths to seek answers or they prefer to become atheists!
I think youll find apostacy in all religions. Ppl are just alot more quiet in Islam cause they like their heads attatched to their necks and/or dont feel like being ostrasized
but this is not the case in ISLAM thanks Allah (saw) !
Yep, no one has ever left Islam...ever...
May Allah (saw) guide us all!
PEACE
Atm I am reading some stuff on political theory. It is incredibly boring and Im stuck in endless debates with idealists.
Seeing as how I need something to distract myself, Ill do my best to address any "inconsistancies/errors/lies" you find with natural selection.
I can not agree with the guy in the video. He is using "pop" science concepts and not even describing evolution. He is simply talking about what many people think evolution is.
I won't go into a discussion of evolution as the question was "do I agree with that guy." The answer is no.
Do I think Evolution is Shaytan's Tool? I believe ignorance with no desire to correct ignorance is a tool of Shaytan, so I think what he is saying is Shaytan's tool.
i think that most muslims would agree with the christian creationists more then evolution.
i have heard more muslims speak out against evolution then any other religion. yusuf estes, zakir naik, billal phillips, and many muslims i have spoken to online all speak out against evolution.
i do not know if muslims think it is by satan. but, they obviously do not believe in it!
I can not agree with the guy in the video. He is using "pop" science concepts and not even describing evolution. He is simply talking about what many people think evolution is.
I won't go into a discussion of evolution as the question was "do I agree with that guy." The answer is no.
Do I think Evolution is Shaytan's Tool? I believe ignorance with no desire to correct ignorance is a tool of Shaytan, so I think what he is saying is Shaytan's tool.
Yaa...
The guy in the video is an idiot. I asked if anyone agrees with him because I heard variations of the his arguements on the boards before and as stupid as he sounds, its basically the arguements creationists make.
There is also like 20 reply vids for everyone of his videos. I was expecting a number of folks to agree with him and just post a reply video so to save myself some time refuting
I have one issue with your comments. You said you do not follow Islam on basis on contradiction of science. If Quran contradicted science - no one would believe in Islam, not me, not anyone. There are muslims, over the time, and present, much more smarter than you and I - on the matter of science. If they found a contradiction - they WOULD not follow it period.
I don't know if it was you or ranma1/2 who mentioned what exactly did Islam deny scientifically - but I did make a lengthy post on it.
Quran can contradict theories which are not scientific fact or hold no evidence and be completly credible. I would prefer you to list me, exactly what (specifically) the Quran denied scientifically.
I am 100% sure you either made evidence of somthing without none, made fact of somthing which isn't, or the more likely case - Accused Quran to say stuff it hasn't, or misinterpreted it.
Fight in the way of God, against those who fight against you, drive them out of the places they have drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. Fight them, until persecution is no more, and Religion is for God. But if they stop, let there be no war.
I have one issue with your comments. You said you do not follow Islam on basis on contradiction of science. If Quran contradicted science - no one would believe in Islam, not me, not anyone. There are muslims, over the time, and present, much more smarter than you and I - on the matter of science. If they found a contradiction - they WOULD not follow it period.
The same could be said of any religion, even the dead ones. From what I have observed and personal experience, I think the allowance of illogical thought is allowed because of a "carrot".
I remember a time I was very close to converting to Islam, despite my yrs as an atheist, I was very close to saying the Shahada and believing it. I twas only when my carrot was removed that I was able to think about it more analytically and realize what i was doing/believing didnt make sense. I wanted so badly to believe it so i would be able to be with someone. I tried continuing my religious studies after we were no longer together, but because of the loss of my carrot, I couldnt get a revival of faith.
I dont want this to sound like a strickly religious affiar either. Just because you are atheist doesnt mean you are immune. I often question other atheist claims that non-religious folks are better off. I think the carrot of this belief is to feel morally superior for those times they wished they could easily turn to a diety for assisstance.
I don't know if it was you or ranma1/2 who mentioned what exactly did Islam deny scientifically - but I did make a lengthy post on it.
Quran can contradict theories which are not scientific fact or hold no evidence and be completly credible. I would prefer you to list me, exactly what (specifically) the Quran denied scientifically.
Well there is the part about falling stas used to chase off evil spirits. That aside, some of the "historical claims" go agaisnt what has been found (See Q)
I am 100% sure you either made evidence of somthing without none, made fact of somthing which isn't, or the more likely case - Accused Quran to say stuff it hasn't, or misinterpreted it.
It would appear hard to misinterpret it. Im convinced regardless of what science finds, devoted theists will always find ways to "find the proper interpretatio" of their text and vaa-laa! It magically agrees with science. I mean check out the thread about Earth expanding, had someone comment about it might being in the Qur'an/Hadiths.
Would make for an interesting experiment though, to post misinformation and watch to see if stuff is "discovered" to agree with it
It would appear hard to misinterpret it. Im convinced regardless of what science finds, devoted theists will always find ways to "find the proper interpretatio" of their text and vaa-laa! It magically agrees with science. I mean check out the thread about Earth expanding, had someone comment about it might being in the Qur'an/Hadiths.
There is the flaw . You see, not anyone can read and interpret Quran. To this day, no one, since the 4 imaams, have been given status of absolute Mujtahids. Their tafsir of the Quran, is unchanged, since the beginning of Islam.
What does this mean? Interpretaion of the Quran, in its authenic form, is the same today as it was 1400'ish years ago. It is a misconception that, people, have moulded the meaning of Quran to agree with science.
Lets take, the day arguement, as 1 of many examples. People today, REALLY believe, that, muslims have made 1 day not equal 24 hours ONLY to confirm science. FAR from the truth. 1400 years ago, 1 day was never EVER taught to mean 24 hours.
You see, the tafsir of the Quran has been preserved - Some meanings may not have been clear as to what it has been portraying to until today - But this does not mean it has been moulded into something it wasn't before
Well there is the part about falling stas used to chase off evil spirits.
Don't read the Quran and just take it to word - You are not qualified. You must find tafsir of it.
Fight in the way of God, against those who fight against you, drive them out of the places they have drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. Fight them, until persecution is no more, and Religion is for God. But if they stop, let there be no war.
Macroevolution could be seen as satans tool in that - it moves one away from God, or atleast, as the scientists claim, no God was required - hence removing credit from God of creation.
Btw, I didn't watch the video - since its by VenomFagX, who makes ridiculous comments about everything, including Islam.
Ditto, i mean look at gravity, no god required for that either. ITs amazing how gravity is a tool of satan, moving others away from god.
Oh yeah electricty too , tool of satan. The sun. Tool of satan...
The guy in the video is an idiot. I asked if anyone agrees with him because I heard variations of the his arguements on the boards before and as stupid as he sounds, its basically the arguements creationists make.
There is also like 20 reply vids for everyone of his videos. I was expecting a number of folks to agree with him and just post a reply video so to save myself some time refuting
Ah well
Yes vfX gets all of his arguments from Kent Hovind.
A very dishonest creationists that is doing honest time in prison for tax evasion.
Hmm kind of strange you did not search for it and assumed somthing that was not true - to make basis of Islam to be false. Don't you think thats wrong? Making false assumptions to make a verdict on somthing? Assuming you was close to saying shahadah, surely you knew what Tafsir was?
Fight in the way of God, against those who fight against you, drive them out of the places they have drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. Fight them, until persecution is no more, and Religion is for God. But if they stop, let there be no war.
Ditto, i mean look at gravity, no god required for that either. ITs amazing how gravity is a tool of satan, moving others away from god.
Oh yeah electricty too , tool of satan. The sun. Tool of satan...
I do actually agree about your comment on VFX.
You missed the part where I said
at least, as scientists claim
Since when did scientists use gravity as means of a God-independant Universe? :P
Last edited by Md Mashud; 09-23-2007 at 06:22 AM.
Fight in the way of God, against those who fight against you, drive them out of the places they have drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. Fight them, until persecution is no more, and Religion is for God. But if they stop, let there be no war.
Hmm kind of strange you did not search for it and assumed somthing that was not true - to make basis of Islam to be false. Don't you think thats wrong? Making false assumptions to make a verdict on somthing? Assuming you was close to saying shahadah, surely you knew what Tafsir was?
Seems pretty clear to me, but if you feel like my understanding is flawed then provide the "proper" explination
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