Surat An-Nasr, Non-Muslims What Do you think

There is no more, no less attraction to Islam, than all the centuries ago. I prefer to use the word 'Religion Shifting'. Still, the reason why Islam is so fast growing nowadays is the birth rate in Africa.
Life in industrialized west countries became so expensive, that both life-partners MUST work in order to be able to finance a house. On the other side, places for kindergardens get less and less, so people prefer not to have children ergo no important birth growth.
Now, since China is growing so fast actually to become a new world power, it might be, that in 100 years, people will go towards buddishm, Taoism, or whatever. It has always been like that, and it will always be.

format_quote Originally Posted by guyabano

There is no more, no less attraction to Islam, than all the centuries ago. I prefer to use the word 'Religion Shifting'. Still, the reason why Islam is so fast growing nowadays is the birth rate in Africa.
Life in industrialized west countries became so expensive, that both life-partners MUST work in order to be able to finance a house. On the other side, places for kindergardens get less and less, so people prefer not to have children ergo no important birth growth.
Now, since China is growing so fast actually to become a new world power, it might be, that in 100 years, people will go towards buddishm, Taoism, or whatever. It has always been like that, and it will always be.

religion shifting you say? Why hasnt Islam been shifted with something else? Do you not think that the attraction has increased. Especialy in the west. And what about the amount of people that are reverting in the West? this is a modernised part of the globe aint it? Cant blame birth rate there can you.

This chapter in the Qur'an is actually a reference to the death of the Prophet (sall Allahu 'alayhi wa sallam).

This was revealed to him when the Arabs started converting to Islam and it was also informing him of his death that was soon to come. And to put the last verse into practice, he used to increase in his glorification of God and seeking His forgiveness. One example is, and this is recommended for every Muslim to do as well, he used to say this in ruku' and sujud (this is said after Subhana Rabbiyal Adhim and Subhana Rabbiyal A'laa respectively):

Subhanak Allahumma Rabbana wabihamdik. Allahumaghfirli.

You are Glorified (Perfect and far removed from any faults), oh God. Our Lord, to You is all Perfect Praise and Thanks. Oh God, forgive me.

format_quote Originally Posted by SATalha

religion shifting you say? Why hasnt Islam been shifted with something else? Do you not think that the attraction has increased. Especialy in the west. And what about the amount of people that are reverting in the West? this is a modernised part of the globe aint it? Cant blame birth rate there can you.

I don't actually think that the conversions in the west will have a major impact on demography. They probably are not any more common than conversions to Bhuddism and other eastern religions which are popular in the west, and in the near-future I think that the make-up of western Islam will remain mainly composed of the decendants of immigrants.
On the other hand, conversions to Islam are a major demographic force in the African-American community. Unfortunately racist cults such as NOI soak up most of these conversions.

format_quote Originally Posted by SATalha

religion shifting you say? Why hasnt Islam been shifted with something else? Do you not think that the attraction has increased. Especialy in the west. And what about the amount of people that are reverting in the West? this is a modernised part of the globe aint it? Cant blame birth rate there can you.

I'm not blaming birth rate, I just say, you cannot really proof which religion is fast growing, and which ones not. It's status quo, and this topic has been discussed many many times in this forum.
Oh, but why am I repeating myself all the time. See here by yourself

Then again, you can see also here (christian Website) contreverse website to what you say

According again to another website (which I just pick out and oh, coincidence, a Muslim Website) we can see, Islam is again fastgrowing.

So, fact is, we stand there where we always stand, nothing changed

format_quote Originally Posted by abu abdurrahman

Or maybe they will come towards Islaam?! May Allah guide them and you. Seeing as China is growing so fast and a recent survey (Shanghai University) shows that there are an estimated 300 Million Muslims in China.

No, no, no, you got it all wrong. The study showed that there are an estimated 300 million believers in China, which includes buddhists, taoists, catholics, other christians and muslims. The number of muslims varies from 20 to 60 million, most of which are ethnic minorites, not converts/reverts.
The fastest growing religions in China is Christianity, not Islam.

format_quote Originally Posted by guyabano

I'm not blaming birth rate, I just say, you cannot really proof which religion is fast growing, and which ones not. It's status quo, and this topic has been discussed many many times in this forum.
Oh, but why am I repeating myself all the time. See here by yourself

Then again, you can see also here (christian Website) contreverse website to what you say

According again to another website (which I just pick out and oh, coincidence, a Muslim Website) we can see, Islam is again fastgrowing.

So, fact is, we stand there where we always stand, nothing changed

Ok I see your point, but do you aknowledge that the West is comming to Islam? And whats your take on Islam superseeding all ways of life? Iam not saying "watch this will happen". What I am saying is that do you think that there is a slight chance the Islam will be more dominant in say Europe?

I know there have been many articles and reports on this subject, I just need other (non-Muslims) peoples views.

20,000 americans yearly actually according to American news sources
http://news.propeller.com/story/2007...runs-to-islam/

turn to islam yearly. I'd say those numbers are staggering but that is just me..

carry on

cheers!

format_quote Originally Posted by SATalha

Ok I see your point, but do you aknowledge that the West is comming to Islam? And whats your take on Islam superseeding all ways of life? Iam not saying "watch this will happen". What I am saying is that do you think that there is a slight chance the Islam will be more dominant in say Europe?

I know there have been many articles and reports on this subject, I just need other (non-Muslims) peoples views.

No, I'm sorry. I don't see more or less progress of Islam than 30 years ago. To be honest, in my place, there are maybe a few muslims on 30km radius, not more or less, than usually. Most Muslims here in the Forum come from UK, where are many muslims, so you get the feeling, they get more and more.
It is good, Islam make itself more public. Not only Christanity has a right to exist and plus, we should never neglect the power of Buddism since they are (numerous seen) also very powerful.
A fact is, that many people leave Christianity actually, but that does not automatically mean, that Islam gain them all.

lol czgibson statistics arent really needed that much

i mean these days i say salaam to at least 20 muslims i dont even know per day...

observation is enough

format_quote Originally Posted by czgibson

Greetings,


I haven't seen any evidence for this, so I don't know. However, religious statistics are notoriously an absolute minefield. If you want to see how confusing they are, spend a little time at this site.



I hope it doesn't happen, for many reasons.


[More dominant than what?]

I don't think Islam will ever become dominant in Europe, either intellectually or politically. Far too many things would have to change:

* The legal and financial systems would have to be completely overhauled or even built again from scratch;

* democratic politics, for centuries the pride of Europe and elsewhere, would suddenly have to undergo a dramatic fall in mass acceptance, before being scrapped;

* scientific research would have to be limited to within Islamically acceptable areas (and would therefore no longer be science);

* much of modern biology as we know it would have to be discarded (unless evolution became more widely accepted in the Muslim community);

* philosophers and other intellectuals would have to ignore centuries of progress made in the history of ideas;

* the alcohol, pork and music industries would somehow have to be persuaded to disappear.

There are obviously lots of other things that would need to change, but those are the ones I can think of now. Can you honestly see these things happening? I can't.

Peace

Yah mate Quit bein' silly.

Who eats pork these days,



Not very appetizing. ffended: No offence bro.

format_quote Originally Posted by Gator

I guess its in the eye of the beholder.

From my view, its just at that rate (20K a year), Islam will constitute 5% of the US population by the year 2407, even with the most aggresive current population estimates.

Guess will have to wait and see.. under either circumstance, it is all inconsequential at best. righteousness by virtue of being pious is a solo trip not a communal one, even if you have others to accompany you on your journey. Abrahaem PBUH was an Island, he and his cousin Lut were the only two monotheists in a sea of idolatry.
in the scheme of things, each soul is held in pledge by its own deeds!

cheers!