This goes back to the Old Testament and the sacrificial atonements for sin observed by the Jewish people. Sin must be punished. Going back to the Old Testament...
"In fact, the law requires that nearly everything be cleansed with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness." Hebrews 9:22
The blood of bulls and and goats in the days of Moses delayed God's wrath against sin, but it was never enough to remove sin completely.
Jesus was a sacrifice because only His blood could roll backwards to the first sinner and forward to the last.
thanks for the explanation. i guess it's just one of those things you have to believe in order to understand, but then i don't understand the concept of original sin either....
each man thinks of his own fleas as gazelles
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Prove that
1. Jesus is not God
2. Jesus is not God's son
Yeah, well I guess we'll agree to disagree on what constitutes "proof". All you did was cite verses that don't include the verses upon which Christ's divinity is based.
"Imagination was given to man to compensate him for what he is not, and a sense of humor was provided to console him for what he is."
Yeah, well I guess we'll agree to disagree on what constitutes "proof". All you did was cite verses that don't include the verses upon which Christ's divinity is based.
If you read it more carefully, you'll understand my point. God cannot take the form of a human being. A human being has no such capacity. Can you fit the world into an eggshell? no because it doesn't have the capacity for it. . .
Another thing, how can God die? If he's divine how did he die? Isn't immortality a characteristic of being divine?
If you read it more carefully, you'll understand my point. God cannot take the form of a human being. A human being has no such capacity. Can you fit the world into an eggshell? no because it doesn't have the capacity for it. . .
Another thing, how can God die? If he's divine how did he die? Isn't immortality a characteristic of being divine?
God "cannot"..hmmm. We'll let that statement stand.
As has already been mentioned, Christ was Resurrected. He is indeed immortal.
"Imagination was given to man to compensate him for what he is not, and a sense of humor was provided to console him for what he is."
Let's say it is unbefitting of his magistrate to take human form...
.. the nature of 'christ' borders more on magical thinking than an actual religion. It reduced him to a very low common denominator and it is entirely unnecessary, it makes him needy and God has no needs..
why not just do away with all of us in the blink of an eye and bring better people.. angel like people who worship around the clock..
how insignificant are we in the scheme of it all
here is our immediate glaxy
when lo and behold God decides to leave it all behind to show up in Nazareth!
wa sobhan Allah..
Text without context is pretext If your opponent is of choleric temperament, seek to irritate him
why not just do away with all of us in the blink of an eye and bring better people.. angel like people who worship around the clock..
That is a very, very good question. Do you have an answer?
when lo and behold God decides to leave it all behind to show up in Nazareth!
Surely, according to the usual description of Him, God could show up in Nazareth without leaving anything behind? In much the same way as He could spare time to send Gabriel to dictate the Qur'an, having an infinity of time at his disposal?
That is a very, very good question. Do you have an answer?
I do-- but it wouldn't be anything remotely as inscrutable and mystifying as something you'd have concluded on your way to woodstock...
Surely, according to the usual description of Him, God could show up in Nazareth without leaving anything behind? In much the same way as He could spare time to send Gabriel to dictate the Qur'an, having an infinity of time at his disposal?
I am not following what Gabriel (a servant/creation) of God following a command from God as does every last single cell in creation which functions seemingly on its 'own volition' has to do with God who in fact attributes time to himself? perhaps you can make that connection for me?
The question in the end remains, not whether he can take leave of absence from his universal duties for an x number of years so that all the orbs wouldn't collide on themselves and we collectively into some hideous mutants, rather of why would he reduce himself to such a low common denominator?
further, going dormant for an x number of years only to unleash his godliness on the small spot of (nazreth or beit laham) and then in a self-immolating moment decide that he should die, whilst asking himself as to why he had foresaken his own self or D A M N S a tree in the earth he created for not bearing fruits to assuage his human hunger-- A God dies, and voila wakes up three days later, in that neat package that guises itself under 'monotheism'!
Once you are able to reconcile the difference between everything in creation, and the creator can we find some common ground to debate on this thread-- it would also help your convictions some if you spoke of them as a christian!
cheers
Last edited by جوري; 01-21-2008 at 10:28 PM.
Text without context is pretext If your opponent is of choleric temperament, seek to irritate him
it is PROOF just some people dunt wanna admit it..
It isn't proof, but it is stupidly.
I don't want to admit it?
Da, that is even stupider. I don't think there is any logical basis for Jesus being god. But that is just a matter of belief for some and that does not include me.
Only an idiot would say I have a broken thermometer and it proves what the tempter is.
God "cannot"..hmmm. We'll let that statement stand.
As has already been mentioned, Christ was Resurrected. He is indeed immortal.
I didn't use the "cannot" correctly I guess.
A human being is needy, it's made up of parts, it's dependant on it's body parts. God is not made up of parts, he's not dependant on anything. The cannot refers to this point. A human being cannot be God.
Based on what you say: We will all be resurrected in the day of judgement. So were are all immortal therefore we are God.
why do christians always end a prayer with (In Jesus Name) is it not God christians worship?
And when the religion is discussed it's always about Jesus, rarely do chirstians speak of God.
Is it not true to say the Torah was created first and the jewish people did not listen and were rejected, therefore came the Bible again the christians did not listen, and finaly came the Koran, and was created by the last and final prophet? Seeing that after all these years there has been no other religious book writen?
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