Slave Girls

format_quote Originally Posted by Les_Nubian

Well they should certainly learn how to! They shouldn't get an exuse, or get "off the hook" for that. That's the whole test, the whole challenge of life, is it not? Sheeeeeeeeeesh!

Well, it certainly is one of the challenges. They rarely rise to this challenge.

format_quote Originally Posted by mara

In 17th century they used to say: the war prize(victory) for the soldiers is to rape women and kill the children. Without that i think they wouldn't have been

Such primal behaviors.

format_quote Originally Posted by Les_Nubian

OK, I saw this on the other topic:

Yes, but the only exception is the slave-girls. If one is at war, far away from his wives for an extended period of time, and he captures slave-women, he can legally have intercourse with them.

I think that's completely disgusting.

I see you haven't even bothered to read the thread; this issue was answered in GREAT detail. Just read the following posts:

http://www.islamicboard.com/127799-post10.html
http://www.islamicboard.com/128151-post13.html
http://www.islamicboard.com/150083-post23.html
http://www.islamicboard.com/164411-post28.html

A soldier cannot just 'capture' slave-women. All captives go to the state and they decide on what is the best course of action.

Is this religion really for men? It seems that way sometimes.

You know it really irritates me that you would make such a statement. Just a few days ago you posted allegations about sexism, they were refuted, you asked about a hadith it was explained and it was made very clear to you that there is no preference for either gender in Islam. Only an hour ago you acknowledged my response on the topic refuting mysogynistic ideas. I didn't know that

Thanks for that explanation. :sister:

means, "I'm really not satisifed at all with the response. I have the same misconceptions but I'll just wait and bring them up in another thread." Do I really need to re-paste the verses from the Qur'an and the Ahadith for you? Do I really need to take up dozens of posts repeating myself?

The Prophet said: 'Anyone who cares for three daughter, gives them a good upbringing, marries them to good husbands and treats them well, they will enter paradise. The companions asked, "What about two daughters?" He said, "Even two daughters". They asked what about one daughter? He said "even one". (Sunan Abi Dawûd, Musnad Ahmad, Mustadarak Al-Hâkim)
A man came to Prophet Muhammad asking “ O Messenger of God, who among the people is the most worthy of my good company?” The Prophet said “Your mother”. The man said “then who else?” The Prophet said “Your mother”. The man asked, “then who else?” The Prophet replied “Your mother” When the man asked for the fourth time, only then did the Prophet say, “Your father” ( Sahîh Bukhârî, Sahîh Muslim)
The Prophet said: 'Paradise lies at the feet of your mother' (Musnad Ahmad, Sunan An-Nasâ’i, Sunan Ibn Mâjah)
A'isha, the wife of the Prophet (peace be upon him), said: 'A poor woman came to me carrying her two daughters. I gave her three dates to eat. She gave each child a date, and raised the third to her own mouth to eat it. Her daughters asked her to give it to them, so she split the date that she had wanted to eat between them. I was impressed by what she had done, and told the Messenger of Allah P about it. He said, “Allah has decreed Paradise for her because of it”.' (Sahîh Muslim)
The Prophet said: 'Whoever has a daughter born to him, and he did not prefer his son over him, Allah will admit him to Paradise because of her.' (Mustadarak Al-Hâkim)
The Prophet said: 'There is no one who has three daughters, or three sisters, and he treats them well, but Allah will admit him/her to Paradise.' (Al-Adab Al-Mufrad of Bukhârî)
The Prophet said: 'There is no one among my ummah who has three daughters, or three sisters, and he supports them until they are grown up, but he will be with me in Paradise like this – and he held up his index and middle fingers together. (Mu'jam At-Tabarânî)
The Prophet said: 'The best of you is the one who is best to his wife. I am the best of you to his wife and I'm the best to my wife.' (Sunan At-Tirmidhî, Sunan Ad-Dârimî, Sahîh Ibn Hibbân)
The Prophet said: 'The most perfect of the believers in faith are the best of them in moral excellence, and the best of you are the kindest to their wives. (Sunan At-Tirmidhî)
The Prophet said: 'None but a noble man treats women in an honorable manner. And none but an ignoble treats women disgracefully' (Sunan At-Tirmidhî)
The Prophet said: 'I command you to be kind to women.' (Sahîh Bukhârî)
The Prophet said: 'The believer should not harbor hatred towards his wife. If he dislikes something in her, then surely he will be pleased with another quality in her.' (Sahîh Muslim)
The Prophet said to Abd-Allah ibn 'Amr ibn al-'Aas, who used to fast all day and pray all night: 'Do not do that. Fast and break your fast, pray qiyaam and sleep, for your body has a right over you, your eyes have a right over you, your wife has a right over you and your visitors have a right over you.' (Sahîh Bukhârî, Sahîh Muslim)
A'isha, the wife of the Prophet, was asked, "What did the Prophet used to do at home?" She answered, "he kept himself busy helping the members of his household, and when the time for prayer came, he would go out for the prayer". (Sahîh Bukhârî)
The Prophet said: 'Verily among the most evil of people with Allah in ranking on the Day of Resurrection is a man who goes to his wife and whose wife goes to him, and then he spreads her secrets.' (Sahîh Muslim, Musnad Ahmad, Sunan Abû Dawûd)
The Prophet said: "Iblîs (Satan) sets up his throne on water, then he sends out his armies of devils (to incite humans to do evil). The closest to him of these troops are the ones who cause the most tribulation. One of them comes and says, 'I have done such and such.' Iblîs says, 'You have not done enough.' Then another one comes and says, 'I never left him alone until I created trouble and caused division between him and his wife.' Then Iblîs comes close to this devil and says, 'How excellent you are!' " (Sahîh Muslim)
The Prophet said: 'A woman may be married for four reasons: for her property, her status, her beauty, and her religion; so marry one who is religious, may you be blessed.' (Sahîh Bukhârî)
The Prophet said: 'If any man shows patience with his wife's bad temper, Allah will give him a reward similar to the reward of Ayyub (Job) for his patience, and if any woman shows patience with her husband's bad temper, Allah will give her a reward similar to the reward of Asiyah daughter of Muzahim, the wife of Pharoah (Cf. Qur'an 66:11).' (Al-Kabâ'ir of Adh-Dhahabî)
The Prophet said: 'Consult with women. Indeed, you have some rights over your women and they have some rights over you. It is their right on you that you provide for their food and clothing generously, and your right on them is that they do not let anyone whom you dislike in the house, walking upon your floor. (Sunan Ibn Mâjah, Sunan At-Tirmidhî)
Al-Khansaa’ bint Khidaam complained to the Prophet that her father wanted her to marry someone she didn’t want, saying “I do not wish to accept what my father has arranged.” The Prophet said, “Then this marriage is invalid, go and marry whomever you wish.” Al-Khansaa’ said, “I have actually accepted what my father has arranged, but I wanted women to know that fathers have no right in their daughter’s matters” (i.e. they have no right to force a marriage on them). (Fath Al-Barî Ibn Hajr, Sunan Ibn Mâjah)
The Prophet said: 'The most perfect believers are the best in conduct and best of you are those who are best to their wives.' (Musnad Ahmad)
The Prophet said: 'The life of this world is bountiful, and the best of the bounties of this world is the righteous woman.' (Sahîh Muslim)
The Prophet said: 'Assuredly, women are the twin halves of men.' (Sunan Abî Dawûd, Sunan At-Tirmidhî, Musnad Ahmad)

Just take the women and use them for your own sexual pleasure because they are slaves and you have "captured" them

First of all, enslavement is not something exclusive to women, so it is not a sexist issue in the first place. Secondly, rapw is abuse and Islam has forbidden all such abuse. In fact, Islam commands the good treatment of slaves.

The Prophet said:
"Whoever strikes his slave or beats him, then his expiation is to free him." (Sahîh Muslim)
They are your brethren; give them to eat what you eat; give them to wear what you wear. (Sunan At-Tirmidhi)
"No one should say, "my slave" as all of you are slaves of Allah." (Bukhari, Muslim, An-Nasaa'ee and Ibn Hibban)
"He who treats his slave badly will not enter Paradise". (Musnad Ahmad)
"You are to honor them and to treat them like your children, and feed them from what you eat" (Musnad Ahmad)
"If any of you have a slave girl, whom he gives good education and excellent training, and then he emancipates her and marries her, he shall have a two-fold reward. " (Sahîh Bukhari)
"A person who frees a Muslim slave, Allah will deliver every one of his limbs from the fire of Hell in return for each of the limbs of the slave (Sahîh Bukhârî, and Sahîh Muslim)

Islam came when the enslavement of men and women was a deeply rooted practice. Islam elevated the status of slaves, forbade poor treatment, restricted sources of slavery and encouraged and mandated the freeing os slaves. The blame of slave abuse should be placed on the unislamic nations who practiced this. The credit of obliterating this evil goes to Islam.

How sick is this? Uggh, I feel like throwing up.

In your last thread I requested that you kindly ask when you have a question. That will help you learn much better that submitting yourself to whatever misconceptions or allegations you come across. Seek clarification when you find something you don't understand. Don't revile your religion because of your lack of understanding. That is disgusting and betrays weak faith.


It is abundantly clear that people are not bothering to read this thread. They expect others to re-post every single time, whichc is completely unfair. The thread will be closed so that people actualy take the time to read it. If one is interested just in the general issue of slavery and Islam they may read a much shorter thread here:
http://www.islamicboard.com/islamic-...ery-quran.html

*bump*

For the person who asked me, they will find the issue relating to the Banu Al-Mustaliq answered in this thread - in fact the whole story of this incident shows how the Prophet saws saved an entire tribe from slavery.