Do christians worship God and Jesus both equally etc?,
or just Jesus on his own? Or do some christians only worship God?
Seriously I don't have a clue!
Well I've seen boards outside churches saying 'Your Lord is Jesus, Come worship him here' it sounded as if worshipping the Creator himself doesn't matter
Also when you 'thank God' do you thank Jesus or God ? the same with other situations
He it is Who sends blessings on you, as do His angels, that He may bring you out from the depths of Darkness into Light: and He is Full of Mercy to the Believers. [Quran {33:43}] www.QuranicAudio.com www.Quran.com
Deedat tried to muddy the waters by suggesting the Pharisees were simply looking for any excuse to stone Christ, but that is his own creation, not something contained within the Gospels.
You don't think they were?
The path is long but I hope we meet,
After the grave and the Day, in paradise in bliss upon a reclined seat.
A traveler traveling - travelled from shirk to tawheed,
If I'm remembered for anything - let it be the Mercy I seek.
Christ wasn't stoned...which sort of says no to that question. The Pharisees were actually reluctant to execute Christ because of the number of His followers. Which is why they handed Christ over to the Romans to do the job for them. It was Christ's claim of divinity that led them to feel justified in doing so.
"Imagination was given to man to compensate him for what he is not, and a sense of humor was provided to console him for what he is."
Yet the romans washed their hands, and so legally wasnt his execution by a non-state approved collection of preists, with no jusrisdiction.
The Romans AFAIK organised the crucifixions and had some genuine ordinary criminals tried by their system up that day as well. (two others?)
A Similar situation I suppose would be A Liberal Political activist being shouted down by his opponents and tried on their own Conservative party rules, after the State threw the case out of court. :huh:
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Christ wasn't stoned...which sort of says no to that question. The Pharisees were actually reluctant to execute Christ because of the number of His followers. Which is why they handed Christ over to the Romans to do the job for them. It was Christ's claim of divinity that led them to feel justified in doing so.
Let me rephrase, do you not think that the Pharasees and others were looking for any reason to get rid of Jesus?
The path is long but I hope we meet,
After the grave and the Day, in paradise in bliss upon a reclined seat.
A traveler traveling - travelled from shirk to tawheed,
If I'm remembered for anything - let it be the Mercy I seek.
Let me rephrase, do you not think that the Pharasees and others were looking for any reason to get rid of Jesus?
I'm sure they would have been happy to see Him gone. They knew the way to see Him gone and still maintain their stature was to execute Him for His claims of divinity as the Son of God.
"Imagination was given to man to compensate him for what he is not, and a sense of humor was provided to console him for what he is."
Are they one Spiritually? Physically? or Mentally? They can't be separate and at the same time be one.
Your forgetting that anything is possible with God.
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This passage in the bible makes me think though...
16And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
17And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
18He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
19Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
20The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?
21Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.
22But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.
23Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven.
24And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.
25When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, Who then can be saved?
26But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.
This here shows how humble a man Jesus was! He was accused of being good! He was showing humility!! 'Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God'
'But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible' Which god did he mean? Him, or the ONE TRUE GOD! UNIQUE IN HIS ONENESS!?
Is he talking about himself here? Has jesus got a dual personality?
Or is he simply refering to the ONE GOD! The god worthy of worshipping? You tell me
How do you reconcile one person coming up from baptism, another entity descending upon the first in the appearance of a dove and yet another announcing to those present that the first one is His son - and yet all three are at that very moment only One God? Matthew 3:16-17 And Jesus when he was baptized, went up straightway from the water (1): and lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending as a dove (2), and coming upon him;and lo, a voice out of the heavens, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased (3).
If Jesus is God incarnate, how can he be tempted by the devil? Matthew 4:1 Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil. Jesus later says that one can't tempt or make trial of God - Matthew 4:7 Jesus said unto him, Again it is written, Thou shalt not make trial of the Lord thy God.
How can God possibly worship the devil? Matthew 4:9-10 and he (devil) said unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me. Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.
How do you reconcile one person coming up from baptism, another entity descending upon the first in the appearance of a dove and yet another announcing to those present that the first one is His son - and yet all three are at that very moment only One God? Matthew 3:16-17 And Jesus when he was baptized, went up straightway from the water (1): and lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending as a dove (2), and coming upon him;and lo, a voice out of the heavens, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased (3).
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Well baptism is a time of great spiritual emotion.
Seeing a bird flying about and beleiving that it is god and hearing an auditory halluncination would be pretty common under those circumstances.
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wow, this is when my brain can't follow it nomore.... every christian so far has explained it to me in a different way...
Christ relationship with the father? All i know is that they are one!
1+1+1=1(?), so christ is a 1/3 of the total??.. or he is he 3/3(1)(fully god).??. Do you know what aslong as it makes sense to you
peace
1 X 1 X1 = 1
And we are going to ask you one more time. Within that context which you qouted from scripture where did Jesus say He is not good. 'Is Jesus good?' Even your quran affirms that he is sinless.
John 20:24-29
24But Thomas, one of the twelve, called Didymus, was not with them when Jesus came.
25The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the LORD. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his believe. hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not
26And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you.
27Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.
28And Thomas answered and said unto him, My LORD and my God.
29Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.
John 20:24-29
24But Thomas, one of the twelve, called Didymus, was not with them when Jesus came.
25The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the LORD. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his believe. hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not
26And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you.
27Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.
28And Thomas answered and said unto him, My LORD and my God.
29Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.
i looked this up and found that 2 verses later jesus says but these are written, that ye may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye may have life in his name.
so first he doesn't correct thomas for calling him my lord and my god and then he says he is the son of god.
maybe you can see why all this makes no sense to non-christians?
each man thinks of his own fleas as gazelles
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Some sufis are also claiming that they and God become one through a concept of "Wahdatul Wujud"... if I'm not mistaken..... "Wahdatul Wujud" concept is banned in Malaysia.
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