Do christians worship God and Jesus both equally etc?,
or just Jesus on his own? Or do some christians only worship God?
Seriously I don't have a clue!
Well I've seen boards outside churches saying 'Your Lord is Jesus, Come worship him here' it sounded as if worshipping the Creator himself doesn't matter
Also when you 'thank God' do you thank Jesus or God ? the same with other situations
He it is Who sends blessings on you, as do His angels, that He may bring you out from the depths of Darkness into Light: and He is Full of Mercy to the Believers. [Quran {33:43}] www.QuranicAudio.com www.Quran.com
Jesus is God in the flesh. HE is GOD THE FATHER BY NATURE NOT POSITION DOES THAT MAKE SENSE.
so let me ask, IF Jesus is your god AND your god is all powerful AND in control of the universe, does that mean that when your Jesus is alleged to have been crucified, that he crucified himself? wouldn't that be suicide? and forbidden?
Had the non-believer known of all the Mercy which is in the Hands of Allah, he would not lose hope of entering Paradise, and had the believer known of all the punishment which is present with Allah, he would not consider himself safe from the Hell-Fire http://www.muftimenk.co.za/Downloads.html
good questions. First of all Jesus offered himself as a sacrifice.
John 10:11
I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep.
John 10:15
just as the Father knows me and I know the Father—and I lay down my life for the sheep.
John 15:13
Greater love has no one than this, that he lay down his life for his friends.
John 10:18
No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.
good questions. First of all Jesus offered himself as a sacrifice.
John 10:11
I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep.
John 10:15
just as the Father knows me and I know the Father—and I lay down my life for the sheep.
John 15:13
Greater love has no one than this, that he lay down his life for his friends.
John 10:18
No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father .
it seems like:
No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. again, suicide!
I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again.
this is really strange, IF he can "lay down his life" AND "take it up gain"; then he isn't really dead or he couldn't "take it up gain"; which means that he didn't really "lay it down", doesn't it?
This commandment have I received of my Father , which would of course mean that he gave it to himself!???
and this makes sense?
Had the non-believer known of all the Mercy which is in the Hands of Allah, he would not lose hope of entering Paradise, and had the believer known of all the punishment which is present with Allah, he would not consider himself safe from the Hell-Fire http://www.muftimenk.co.za/Downloads.html
Jesus is God in the flesh. HE is GOD THE FATHER BY NATURE NOT POSITION DOES THAT MAKE SENSE.
But is not flesh a created substance? Surely it is.
This implies that God, the creator of flesh, transformed into His own creation. This is in violation of the unity and oneness of God. As soon as God turns into flesh His oneness becomes invalidated.
Mark 10:18
And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.
Now that I answered your question answer my questions
Is 1 X 1 X 1 = 1?
What did Jesus mean when He said this?
John 10:30 (Young's Literal Translation)
I and the Father are one.'
John 8:58 (Young's Literal Translation)
Jesus said to them, `Verily, verily, I say to you, Before Abraham's coming -- I am;'
And lastly
Is Jesus 'good'?
Why are we using multiplication here, did the bible say to multiply?
God impregnated a mortal woman, but before he did, he came to her in person tell her, he was going to impregenate her with himself, he then decided to leave the cosmos and the laws that govern our world behind to suckle as a helpless infant some where in a small town Nazareth, hang around as a pauper for a few years curse the world he created for not bearing the fruit he wanted, go on paying to himself in the garden of Gethsemane, declare he is God, get crucified and die... And we are expected to buy this as the same guy/God?
and christians wonder why people leave christianity behind in a hurry? try selling this one to fa irst grader.. Think there is less confusion over santa clause than the tri-God...
astghfor Allah al3li il3atheem-- sheer ignorance!
Text without context is pretext If your opponent is of choleric temperament, seek to irritate him
But is not flesh a created substance? Surely it is.
This implies that God, the creator of flesh, transformed into His own creation. This is in violation of the unity and oneness of God. As soon as God turns into flesh His oneness becomes invalidated.
Why are we using multiplication here, did the bible say to multiply?
God impregnated a mortal woman, but before he did, he came to her in person tell her, he was going to impregenate her with himself, he then decided to leave the cosmos and the laws that govern our world behind to suckle as a helpless infant some where in a small town Nazareth, hang around as a pauper for a few years curse the world he created for not bearing the fruit he wanted, go on paying to himself in the garden of Gethsemane, declare he is God, get crucified and die... And we are expected to buy this as the same guy/God?
and christians wonder why people leave christianity behind in a hurry? try selling this one to fa irst grader.. Think there is less confusion over santa clause than the tri-God...
astghfor Allah al3li il3atheem-- sheer ignorance!
1 cube is just an analogy to make you understand the trinity little better rather than using 1 + 1 + 1 = 1
Matthew 24:11
And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
Matthew 7:13-14
Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
1 cube is just an analogy to make you understand the trinity little better rather than using 1 + 1 + 1 = 1
Matthew 24:11
And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
Matthew 7:13-14
Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
lol indeed... you should really have a closer look at 'saul/paul' when discerning that declaration and worshipping the man/god
cheers
p.s 1+1+1= 3
last we left it-- perhaps that is why we can't understand you.. you don't know of God any more than you know simple math?
You can't use cubes, squares, circles, narnians, humans or animals when speaking of God... but christianity is much like Greek mythology (perhaps that was its original appeal) except even Zeus' Hercules from a mortal woman wasn't one in the same... an amazing thing it is this veil of ignorance that dulls the senses and leaves them aghast still in the dark ages, God forbid one should question their centuries old folly!
Last edited by جوري; 05-20-2008 at 10:50 PM.
Text without context is pretext If your opponent is of choleric temperament, seek to irritate him
In the context Jesus was talking about the last days which encomapasses our generation. The days of the Pauline era were not the last days.
Please read your bible. You've got a reading assignment. Matthew 24. Note that down.
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