Do christians worship God (not Jesus)?

format_quote Originally Posted by Skye Ephémérine

lol.. maybe because he is a hypocrite?.. Prophet Mohammed days, weren't the last days either, were they? Or do people just write to suit their desires?
wa sob7an Allah

Indeed it is exactly as Allaah has said:

{Rather, We have brought them the truth, and indeed they are liars.} [al-Muminoon; 90]

format_quote Originally Posted by Abu Sayyad

Indeed it is exactly as Allaah has said:

{Rather, We have brought them the truth, and indeed they are liars.} [al-Muminoon; 90]

one of my favorite suras, and Masha'Allah I see it in your quote

http://www.islamway.com/?iw_s=outdoo...1&rm_size=2.73

here is the abridged version from youtube

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format_quote Originally Posted by Skye Ephémérine

lol.. maybe because he is a hypocrite?.. Prophet Mohammed days, weren't the last days either, were they? Or do people just write to suit their desires?
wa sob7an Allah

i know your prophet's days werent last either. in the context Jesus says the gospels must reach the ends of the earth. which happening now. PRAISE THE LORD!!! PLease read Matthew 24

format_quote Originally Posted by john316

i know your prophet's days werent last either. in the context Jesus says the gospels must reach the ends of the earth. which happening now. PRAISE THE LORD!!!

lol.. actually this is what your man/god said--

'I have not been sent except to the lost sheep of the House of Israel.' (Matthew 15:24)[1]

and Islam is soon to outnumber christianity we now stand at 1.86 billion .. already it has outnumbered the largest denomination of roman catholicism.. the rest of the many many confused thousands of sects, have very small sliver of hope of being made into anything other than confusing fairy tales for susceptible children and ignorant red neckers..

so take your evangelizing else where, no one here is buyin'

cheers

Matthew 15:24 >>


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New American Standard Bible (©1995)
But He answered and said, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel."
King James Bible
But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.


Answering Anyone Except Israel's Lost Replied Save Sheep Wandering Wasn't

Except House Israel Israel's Lost Save Sheep Wandering Wasn't

Except House Israel Israel's Lost Save Sheep Wandering Wasn't

American King James Version
But he answered and said, I am not sent but to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

American Standard Version
But he answered and said, I was not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

Bible in Basic English
But he made answer and said, I was sent only to the wandering sheep of the house of Israel.

Douay-Rheims Bible
And he answering, said: I was not sent but to the sheep that are lost of the house of Israel.

Darby Bible Translation
But he answering said, I have not been sent save to the lost sheep of Israel's house.

English Revised Version
But he answered and said, I was not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

Webster's Bible Translation
But he answered and said, I am not sent but to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

World English Bible
But he answered, "I wasn't sent to anyone but the lost sheep of the house of Israel."

Young's Literal Translation
and he answering said, 'I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.'

Mateo 15:24 Spanish: La Biblia de las Américas (©1997)
Y respondiendo El, dijo: No he sido enviado sino a las ovejas perdidas de la casa de Israel.

Mateo 15:24 Spanish: La Nueva Biblia de los Hispanos (©2005)
Y Jesús respondió: "No he sido enviado sino a las ovejas perdidas de la casa de Israel."

Mateo 15:24 Spanish: Reina Valera (1909)
Y él respondiendo, dijo: No soy enviado sino á las ovejas perdidas de la casa de Israel.

Mateo 15:24 Spanish: Sagradas Escrituras (1569)
Y él respondiendo, dijo: No soy enviado sino a las ovejas perdidas de la Casa de Israel.

Mateo 15:24 Spanish: Modern
Y respondiendo dijo: --Yo no he sido enviado sino a las ovejas perdidas de la casa de Israel.

Matthieu 15:24 French: Louis Segond (1910)
Il répondit: Je n'ai été envoyé qu'aux brebis perdues de la maison d'Israël.

Matthieu 15:24 French: Darby
Mais lui, répondant, dit: Je ne suis envoyé qu'aux brebis perdues de la maison d'Israël.

Matthieu 15:24 French: Martin (1744)
Et il répondit, et dit : je ne suis envoyé qu'aux brebis perdues de la maison d'Israël.

Matthieu 15:24 French: Ostervald (1744)
Et il répondit: Je ne suis envoyé qu'aux brebis perdues de la maison d'Israël.

Matthaeus 15:24 German: Luther (1912)
Er antwortete aber und sprach: Ich bin nicht gesandt denn nur zu den verlorenen Schafen von dem Hause Israel.

Matthaeus 15:24 German: Luther (1545)
Er antwortete aber und sprach: Ich bin nicht gesandt, denn nur zu den verlornen Schafen von dem Hause Israel.

Matthaeus 15:24 German: Elberfelder (1871)
Er aber antwortete und sprach: Ich bin nicht gesandt, als nur zu den verlorenen Schafen des Hauses Israel.

馬 太 福 音 15:24 Chinese Bible: Union (Traditional)
耶 穌 說 ： 我 奉 差 遣 不 過 是 到 以 色 列 家 迷 失 的 羊 那 裡 去 。

馬 太 福 音 15:24 Chinese Bible: Union (Simplified)
耶 稣 说 ： 我 奉 差 遣 不 过 是 到 以 色 列 家 迷 失 的 羊 那 里 去 。

馬 太 福 音 15:24 Chinese Bible: NCV (Simplified)
耶稣回答：“我被差遣，只是到以色列家的迷羊那里去。”

馬 太 福 音 15:24 Chinese Bible: NCV (Traditional)
耶穌回答：“我被差遣，只是到以色列家的迷羊那裡去。”

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ο definite article - nominative singular masculine
ho ho: the definite article; the (sometimes to be supplied, at others omitted, in English idiom) -- the, this, that, one, he, she, it, etc.
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δε conjunction
de deh: but, and, etc. -- also, and, but, moreover, now (often unexpressed in English).
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αποκριθεις verb - aorist passive deponent participle - nominative singular masculine
apokrinomai ap-ok-ree'-nom-ahee: to conclude for oneself, i.e. (by implication) to respond; by Hebraism to begin to speak (where an address is expected) -- answer.
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ειπεν verb - second aorist active indicative - third person singular
epo ep'-o: to speak or say (by word or writing) -- answer, bid, bring word, call, command, grant, say (on), speak, tell.
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ουκ particle - nominative
ou oo: no or not -- + long, nay, neither, never, no (man), none, (can-)not, + nothing, + special, un(-worthy), when, + without, + yet but.
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απεσταλην verb - second aorist passive indicative - first person singular
apostello ap-os-tel'-lo: set apart, i.e. (by implication) to send out (properly, on a mission) literally or figuratively -- put in, send (away, forth, out), set (at liberty).
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ει conditional
ei i: if, whether, that, etc. -- forasmuch as, if, that, (al-)though, whether.
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μη particle - nominative
me may: any but (that), forbear, God forbid, lack, lest, neither, never, no (wise in), none, nor, (can-)not, nothing, that not, un(-taken), without.
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εις preposition
eis ice: to or into (indicating the point reached or entered), of place, time, or (figuratively) purpose (result, etc.); also in adverbial phrases
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τα definite article - accusative plural neuter
ho ho: the definite article; the (sometimes to be supplied, at others omitted, in English idiom) -- the, this, that, one, he, she, it, etc.
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προβατα noun - accusative plural neuter
probaton prob'-at-on: something that walks forward (a quadruped), i.e. (specially), a sheep -- sheep(-fold).
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τα definite article - accusative plural neuter
ho ho: the definite article; the (sometimes to be supplied, at others omitted, in English idiom) -- the, this, that, one, he, she, it, etc.
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απολωλοτα verb - second perfect active passive - accusative plural neuter
apollumi ap-ol'-loo-mee: to destroy fully (reflexively, to perish, or lose), literally or figuratively -- destroy, die, lose, mar, perish.
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οικου noun - genitive singular masculine
oikos oy'-kos: a dwelling (more or less extensive, literal or figurative); by implication, a family (more or less related, literally or figuratively) -- home, house(-hold), temple.
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ισραηλ proper noun
Israel is-rah-ale': Israel (i.e. Jisrael), the adopted name of Jacob, including his descendants -- Israel.
ΚΑΤΑ ΜΑΤΘΑΙΟΝ 15:24 Greek NT: Tischendorf 8th Ed. with Diacritics
ὁ δὲ ἀποκριθεὶς εἶπεν· οὐκ ἀπεστάλην εἰ μὴ εἰς τὰ πρόβατα τὰ ἀπολωλότα οἴκου Ἰσραήλ.

ΚΑΤΑ ΜΑΤΘΑΙΟΝ 15:24 Greek NT: Greek Orthodox Church
ὁ δὲ ἀποκριθεὶς εἶπεν· Οὐκ ἀπεστάλην εἰ μὴ εἰς τὰ πρόβατα τὰ ἀπολωλότα οἴκου Ἰσραήλ.

ΚΑΤΑ ΜΑΤΘΑΙΟΝ 15:24 Greek NT: Stephanus Textus Receptus (1550, with accents)
ὁ δὲ ἀποκριθεὶς εἶπεν Οὐκ ἀπεστάλην εἰ μὴ εἰς τὰ πρόβατα τὰ ἀπολωλότα οἴκου Ἰσραήλ

ΚΑΤΑ ΜΑΤΘΑΙΟΝ 15:24 Greek NT: Westcott/Hort with Diacritics
ὁ δὲ ἀποκριθεὶς εἶπεν· οὐκ ἀπεστάλην εἰ μὴ εἰς τὰ πρόβατα τὰ ἀπολωλότα οἴκου Ἰσραήλ.

ΚΑΤΑ ΜΑΤΘΑΙΟΝ 15:24 Greek NT: Tischendorf 8th Ed.
ο δε αποκριθεις ειπεν ουκ απεσταλην ει μη εις τα προβατα τα απολωλοτα οικου ισραηλ

ΚΑΤΑ ΜΑΤΘΑΙΟΝ 15:24 Greek NT: Byzantine/Majority Text (2000)
ο δε αποκριθεις ειπεν ουκ απεσταλην ει μη εις τα προβατα τα απολωλοτα οικου ισραηλ

ΚΑΤΑ ΜΑΤΘΑΙΟΝ 15:24 Greek NT: Textus Receptus (1550)
ο δε αποκριθεις ειπεν ουκ απεσταλην ει μη εις τα προβατα τα απολωλοτα οικου ισραηλ

ΚΑΤΑ ΜΑΤΘΑΙΟΝ 15:24 Greek NT: Textus Receptus (1894)
ο δε αποκριθεις ειπεν ουκ απεσταλην ει μη εις τα προβατα τα απολωλοτα οικου ισραηλ

ΚΑΤΑ ΜΑΤΘΑΙΟΝ 15:24 Greek NT: Westcott/Hort
ο δε αποκριθεις ειπεν ουκ απεσταλην ει μη εις τα προβατα τα απολωλοτα οικου ισραηλ

Matthew 15:24 Hebrew Bible
ויען ויאמר לא שלחתי כי אם אל הצאן האבדות לבית ישראל׃

Apocalypsis 22:21 Latin: Biblia Sacra Vulgata
ipse autem respondens ait non sum missus nisi ad oves quae perierunt domus Israhel

New American Standard Bible Copyright © 1960, 1962, 1963, 1968, 1971, 1972, 1973, 1975, 1977, 1995 by The Lockman Foundation, La Habra, Calif. All rights reserved. For Permission to Quote Information visit http://www.lockman.org.


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Matthew 15:24 Multilingual Bible

ScriptureText.com Multilingual Bible

http://scripturetext.com/matthew/15-24.htm
and there you have it folks.. the man/God in their million bibles apparently only sent to the Jews...

format_quote Originally Posted by Armand

glo,

Perhaps you can shed some light on this one.

But is not flesh a created substance? Surely it is.

This implies that God, the creator of flesh, transformed into His own creation. This is in violation of the unity and oneness of God. As soon as God turns into flesh His oneness becomes invalidated.

Greetings Armand

I have not really followed this thread, but I will try to comment briefly.

Yes, I believe that Jesus was both fully human and fully divine.
I suppose whether it 'violates God's oneness' depends on how God defines his oneness ...
We agree that there is only one God.
Do you think it would be outside his ability to be born man, if he so chose?

The dual nature of Jesus is a mystery. I don't think anybody can fully and clearly explain it.
People arrived at the conclusion that Jesus was human and divine by studying the scripture and discussing their findings.

Perhaps you might find this site helpful:

That Jesus is both God and human is a mystery beyond our limited experience. Yet no other explanation upholds all that Scripture says about Jesus Christ. Understanding this essential truth is more than an intellectual exercise. It involves appreciating the great depths of God's love for us.

I must get ready for work now.

Peace

P.S. Armand, the link I gave was removed by mods, so most of the information to answer your question is gone. PM me if you want to know more. Peace

format_quote Originally Posted by john316

That still does not answer my questions 'Is Jesus 'good'?'

By who's Values?

Instructing his followers to hate their families and ordering disbeleivers to be brought in front of him and killed, smashing up government property.

Ive managed to get through life without doing these things , so perhaps if he's good, I'm some sort of uberbrilliantsuperflygood

format_quote Originally Posted by john316

You guys need to do a lot of reading. That's all I can say. Read to book yourself and comprehend what was said, when it was said, how it was said, to whom it was said, & why was it said. that is not a smart reply but just shows me how knaive you are of scripture.

If you had a consistent scripture it would make some sense for me to do that. But when there are many versions of the same "scripture" it's quite pointless and a waste of time and the authenticity of what's being read is greatly reduced. You need to wake up to the fact that your scripture is altered (heard of the Canon?) and contains blatant contradictions and each denomination within your religion claims a different theory about the reality of Jesus which to me indicates that you are a people confused. At least the Christians I know and meet with have enough justice to acknowledge this fact, but with all due respect, you seem to be just a desperately deluded and confused individual.

Just an observation.

format_quote Originally Posted by john316

Matthew 21:42-44(YLT


My my I thank the Lord for increasing your knowledge.

GLORY TO GOD IN THE HIGHEST
AND PEACE TO HIS PEOPLE ON EARTH
HONOR AND PRAISE IN ALL OF HIS GLORY
AND LOVE HIM IN ALL MANKIND!!!!!

Thank who ?
Glory to who?
Praise who?

God (the creator), Jesus man god, mary, holy spirit?
seriously who are you thanking?, which is what I asked at the very beggining of this thread

format_quote Originally Posted by john316

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA I dont know whether it's worthwhile answering your questions or whether answering them is going to make a difference.

Lol i'm glad you found it funny, because I find it funny when someone says 'thank the lord' And I think to myself which one? Just like how when hindus say thank god, I'm like which one?

So could you just give me a simple answer to who you're referring to when you say 'Praise the Lord'

thanks