Do christians worship God and Jesus both equally etc?,
or just Jesus on his own? Or do some christians only worship God?
Seriously I don't have a clue!
Well I've seen boards outside churches saying 'Your Lord is Jesus, Come worship him here' it sounded as if worshipping the Creator himself doesn't matter
Also when you 'thank God' do you thank Jesus or God ? the same with other situations
He it is Who sends blessings on you, as do His angels, that He may bring you out from the depths of Darkness into Light: and He is Full of Mercy to the Believers. [Quran {33:43}] www.QuranicAudio.com www.Quran.com
basically, some denominations of the christian faith beleive that God is made up of Three forms, all of which ARE GOD.. just like water has 3 forms - Water (Liquid Form), Ice (Solid Form), Water Vapour (Gas)
The three forms of God are God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit.. and soo I guess this is why some pray to Jesus, because they beleive he is God, in a different form.. thus the Trinity comes into Play
Some christians (Jehovah's Witnesses especially) beleive that Jesus was God's first creation of life, even before the heavens and earth, even before Adam and Eve etc etc but these denominations do not recognise Jesus as God, but usually do recognise his importance and end prayers by saying 'and we say this through your Son Jesus Christ Amen' just like Jesus delivered the Good News, they see him as a messenger to God and so ask prayers through his name.
Many Many other christians say prayers through Jesus as well including Trinitarians alike. But christians are not polytheists as some might tend to beleive, perhaps its how we interpret and perceive God that distinguishes us from other monotheistic groups
Within Islam there is strictly 1 God, and none as high or as equal, all are prophets who speak his work. Some denominations of Christianity allow the Supreme Diety as having another form - Jesus Christ
Hope this helps, sounds a little confusing, but Christians beleive in ONE God, its just the interpretations. God Bless
basically, some denominations of the christian faith beleive that God is made up of Three forms, all of which ARE GOD.. just like water has 3 forms - Water (Liquid Form), Ice (Solid Form), Water Vapour (Gas)
The three forms of God are God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit.. and soo I guess this is why some pray to Jesus, because they beleive he is God, in a different form.. thus the Trinity comes into Play
Some christians (Jehovah's Witnesses especially) beleive that Jesus was God's first creation of life, even before the heavens and earth, even before Adam and Eve etc etc but these denominations do not recognise Jesus as God, but usually do recognise his importance and end prayers by saying 'and we say this through your Son Jesus Christ Amen' just like Jesus delivered the Good News, they see him as a messenger to God and so ask prayers through his name.
Many Many other christians say prayers through Jesus as well including Trinitarians alike. But christians are not polytheists as some might tend to beleive, perhaps its how we interpret and perceive God that distinguishes us from other monotheistic groups
Within Islam there is strictly 1 God, and none as high or as equal, all are prophets who speak his work. Some denominations of Christianity allow the Supreme Diety as having another form - Jesus Christ
Hope this helps, sounds a little confusing, but Christians beleive in ONE God, its just the interpretations. God Bless
may i also ask, since you believe jesus is fully god right? Only in human shape ofcourse... are you guys aware of his imperfection as a human god? Since he used to excrete, urinate.. he used to curse stuff.. he made mistake etc...
or is that part of being a human(god)? I really am looking for that answer, since i couldn't get around it my self thank you...
may i also ask, since you believe jesus is fully god right? Only in human shape ofcourse...
Yes, Some Denominations beleive he came down to Earth in human form.
are you guys aware of his imperfection as a human god? Since he used to excrete, urinate.. he used to curse stuff.. he made mistake etc...
or is that part of being a human?
I dont think its imperfection to excrete and urinate, If God created humans to Excrete and Urinate, it only amplifies his ability as the greatest creator of all - The human body is such a complicated and beautiful creation by God, and Excretion and Urination are ways for the body to get rid of chemicals not needed by the Body. But enough about that lool
On the matter of Jesus cursing, hmm.. it doesnt state within the scriptures whether he did or not, but I do know he used to shout sometimes at his desciples because sometimes of their lack of faith - showing human emotions again, and when he entered a temple and saw Jews selling and gambling to make money, he trashed the place - Anger - Human Emotion,
Having done all of this, if you concentrate on his actions alone it seems God in his human form is angry and impatient.. but if you look at it in the long run, it makes sense for him to do this - The temple is for worshipping God Almighty, disciplining the disciples meant they would carry on to do Jesus' work and ministry after his death and resurrection.
He had a human side with human emotions and I dont think he made mistakes, he was a human, but he did not sin. Though he was human he proved his pwer by resurrecting the dead (Lazurus as an example) performing Excorsisms (The Man with the Legion Demon in the land of the Gentiles) Healing the Sick (Centurions Slave, Lepers, Wealthy Man's Ill Daughter) He healed a woman of blindness, calmed down a storm, walked on water etc..
So to sum it up, yes he was God in Human Form (according beleif to most christians, NOT ALL) and being human meant that he had human emotions, human actions, but he was free of Sin.
But being human, he was also capable of doing amazing things as previously explained which defied Normality, Physics, etc etc and left many people in awe, and even Jews and Gentiles back then beleived Jesus Christ had divinity because as Humans they had not seen such a thing, performed by a human..YET he was Human
I really am looking for that answer, since i couldn't get around it my self
I dont think its imperfection to excrete and urinate, If God created humans to Excrete and Urinate, it only amplifies his ability as the greatest creator of all - The human body is such a complicated and beautiful creation by God, and Excretion and Urination are ways for the body to get rid of chemicals not needed by the Body.
Lool, can't disagree with you there,
However i have always wondered why are people so ashamed when doing there business, that they have to lock themselves up in private areas. To show how perfect the act is?
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On the matter of Jesus cursing, hmm.. it doesnt state within the scriptures whether he did or not, but I do know he used to shout sometimes at his desciples because sometimes of their lack of faith - showing human emotions again, and when he entered a temple and saw Jews selling and gambling to make money, he trashed the place - Anger - Human Emotion,
And on the next day, when they had departed from Bethany, He became hungry. 13 And seeing at a distance a fig tree in leaf, He went to see if perhaps He would find anything on it; and when He came to it, He found nothing but leaves, for it was not the season for figs. 14 And He answered and said to it, "May no one ever eat fruit from you again!" And His disciples were listening. (skip to verse 20) 20 And as they were passing by in the morning, they saw the fig tree withered from the roots up. (Mark 11:12-14, 20 NASB)
Personally i can't really understand this here, maybe u can enlight me Well jesus felt hungry, he saw a fig tree in the distance. He went to it only to find out that there are no figs in the tree.... because they were out of season (something you expect a god to know, since he created that tree in the first place) So he then curses that tree, simple because it did not follow his own laws.
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I hope I have helped Thank You
Anytime
yes it certaintly did help, i have some counter questions if you don't mind
peace
Quite simply, God and Jesus are One. As Christ described Himself.
This passage in the bible makes me think though...
16And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
17And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
18He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
19Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
20The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?
21Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.
22But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.
23Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven.
24And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.
25When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, Who then can be saved?
26But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.
This here shows how humble a man Jesus was! He was accused of being good! He was showing humility!! 'Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God'
'But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible' Which god did he mean? Him, or the ONE TRUE GOD! UNIQUE IN HIS ONENESS!?
Is he talking about himself here? Has jesus got a dual personality?
Or is he simply refering to the ONE GOD! The god worthy of worshipping? You tell me
Quite simply, God and Jesus are One. As Christ described Himself.
hmmm where does he do this?
However i have always wondered why are people so ashamed when doing there business, that they have to lock themselves up in private areas. To show how perfect the act is?
ummm Are you being sarcastic here? lol I really dont know lolzz
yes it certaintly did help, i have some counter questions if you don't mind
peace
This passage in the bible makes me think though...
16And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
17And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
18He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
19Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
20The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?
21Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.
22But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.
23Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven.
24And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.
25When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, Who then can be saved?
26But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.
This here shows how humble a man Jesus was! He was accused of being good! He was showing humility!! 'Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God'
'But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible' Which god did he mean? Him, or the ONE TRUE GOD! UNIQUE IN HIS ONENESS!?
Is he talking about himself here? Has jesus got a dual personality?
Or is he simply refering to the ONE GOD! The god worthy of worshipping? You tell me
Christ was referring to God. The One who sent Him to Earth for a particular purpose. To even begin to understand this you have to understand Christ's relationship with the Father. Plus, you have to understand why Christ was born into flesh in the first place.
Christ is considered to be of the same essence as the Father, sent by the Father as the living Word, and sent to achieve atonement for the sins of mankind. To do this, Christ would have to have been fully human, with all the weakness and temptation that effects all mankind. That being the case, Christ would be humble. Christ was dependant upon God, in the same way that all mankind is dependant upon God.
"Imagination was given to man to compensate him for what he is not, and a sense of humor was provided to console him for what he is."
This here shows how humble a man Jesus was! He was accused of being good! He was showing humility!! 'Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God'
Agreed
'But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible' Which god did he mean? Him, or the ONE TRUE GOD! UNIQUE IN HIS ONENESS!?
Is he talking about himself here? Has jesus got a dual personality?
Or is he simply refering to the ONE GOD! The god worthy of worshipping? You tell me
The disciples are still learning, they are still amazed with Jesus' words and actions, he is infact talking to his disciples about God, If he was to say 'I am God' first of all his disciples would've been confused and probably thought Jesus was blasphemous.. Jesus was strengthening their faith for whom they knew to be up in the heavens, for whom they were personal to and also beleived in. It would be easy for him to have said 'I am God' worship me, but this would most probably have caused confusion and questioned their own faith in who to beleive. Plus, I beleive that perhaps it showed more faith in beleiving and worshipping someone which no body had ever seen or witnessed , so Jesus said to others to beleive in God- because the faith they put in someone who they had not seen before would have been far greater than for the people to suddenly beleive Jesus was God..
Christ was referring to God. The One who sent Him to Earth for a particular purpose. To even begin to understand this you have to understand Christ's relationship with the Father. Plus, you have to understand why Christ was born into flesh in the first place.
Christ is considered to be of the same essence as the Father, sent by the Father as the living Word, and sent to achieve atonement for the sins of mankind. To do this, Christ would have to have been fully human, with all the weakness and temptation that effects all mankind. That being the case, Christ would be humble. Christ was dependant upon God, in the same way that all mankind is dependant upon God.
wow, this is when my brain can't follow it nomore.... every christian so far has explained it to me in a different way...
Christ relationship with the father? All i know is that they are one!
1+1+1=1(?), so christ is a 1/3 of the total??.. or he is he 3/3(1)(fully god).??. Do you know what aslong as it makes sense to you
wow, this is when my brain can't follow it nomore.... every christian so far has explained it to me in a different way...
Christ relationship with the father? All i know is that they are one!
1+1+1=1(?), so christ is a 1/3 of the total??.. or he is he 3/3(1)(fully god).??. Do you know what aslong as it makes sense to you
peace
If you want the official doctrinal explanation read the Nicean Creed.
"Imagination was given to man to compensate him for what he is not, and a sense of humor was provided to console him for what he is."
Are they one Spiritually? Physically? or Mentally? They can't be separate and at the same time be one.
As I've already mentioned, they are One in that Christ was of the same essence as the Father, sent directly by Him and from Him. That is why Christ is referred to as the "Son" and God as the "Father".
"Imagination was given to man to compensate him for what he is not, and a sense of humor was provided to console him for what he is."
A rather long-winded attempt to create his own context to a situation that is already clear in context. It is clear because the other Gospels address the issue in the same way with slightly different quotes.
During Christ's trial, the chief priests asked Him point blank, "Tell us if you are the Christ, the Son of God." And He said,
"I am." (Mark 14:60-62)
"Yes, it is as you say." (Matt. 26: 63-65)
"You are right in saying I am." (Luke 22:67-70)
There was no confusion about what Jesus meant, and there is no confusion as to why the Pharisees accused Him of blasphemy. Deedat tried to muddy the waters by suggesting the Pharisees were simply looking for any excuse to stone Christ, but that is his own creation, not something contained within the Gospels.
"Imagination was given to man to compensate him for what he is not, and a sense of humor was provided to console him for what he is."
So basically when you pray you refer to one God which somehow includes 3 beings, kind of like how hindu's pray to their idols but refer to one 'God'
Also what about the rest of the prophets sent to mankind from 'God', aren't they
also the 'sons of the father',
He it is Who sends blessings on you, as do His angels, that He may bring you out from the depths of Darkness into Light: and He is Full of Mercy to the Believers. [Quran {33:43}] www.QuranicAudio.com www.Quran.com
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